ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
Again, if I pirated the game, I wouldn't be on here complaining about how much they're charging, would I? If I was playing for free, what difference would it make to me if they charge $1,000 for a full experience?
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Bravery1282 wrote...
I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.
No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?
And it was not taken out of the main game. It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process.
Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost? No. But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.
And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple. It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter. What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.
Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it.
Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.
Part of the reason I know (not believe, know) is what I tried to have you look into. Again, if you don't want to actually consider the evidence and educate yourself on the matter, then you have no place in this issue.
I'm not saying this DLC wasn't planned ahead; of course it was. But there are reasons why it's DLC and not a part of the main game, mainly the fact that he was not in the main game and had no place in it. Believe it or not, DLC is planned way ahead. When the actual work takes place is up to the developers, while the price is controlled by EA.
And not purchasing the game doesn't solve the issue. Not buying the DLC will. No need for needless collateral damage.
That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.
Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist.
_symphony wrote...
that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.obie191970 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?
I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed. Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened? So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue. It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days. And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
Again, if I pirated the game, I wouldn't be on here complaining about how much they're charging, would I? If I was playing for free, what difference would it make to me if they charge $1,000 for a full experience?
Well that's just how cheap some people are.
_symphony wrote...
well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.
I can see the money coming.
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
Again, if I pirated the game, I wouldn't be on here complaining about how much they're charging, would I? If I was playing for free, what difference would it make to me if they charge $1,000 for a full experience?
Well that's just how cheap some people are.
Stealth3 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
Again, if I pirated the game, I wouldn't be on here complaining about how much they're charging, would I? If I was playing for free, what difference would it make to me if they charge $1,000 for a full experience?
Well that's just how cheap some people are.
And how stupid other people are. I rather be cheap than stupid,.
Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 02:33 .
You will have to explain me what I don't understand about DLCs.RiouHotaru wrote...
_symphony wrote...
well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.
I can see the money coming.
I love these kinds of posts because it shows how the anti-DLC crowd has no concept of how DLC works.
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Well that's just how cheap some peopleare.
While it was not a "developer" I'm pretty sure that Jessica Merizan (BioWare comminity manager) stated that was the case somewhere on Reddit yesterday.GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.
Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.
I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.
Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 02:34 .
heart again wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Bravery1282 wrote...
I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.
No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?
And it was not taken out of the main game. It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process.
Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost? No. But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.
And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple. It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter. What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.
Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it.
Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.
Part of the reason I know (not believe, know) is what I tried to have you look into. Again, if you don't want to actually consider the evidence and educate yourself on the matter, then you have no place in this issue.
I'm not saying this DLC wasn't planned ahead; of course it was. But there are reasons why it's DLC and not a part of the main game, mainly the fact that he was not in the main game and had no place in it. Believe it or not, DLC is planned way ahead. When the actual work takes place is up to the developers, while the price is controlled by EA.
And not purchasing the game doesn't solve the issue. Not buying the DLC will. No need for needless collateral damage.
That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.
Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist.
What have you proven? How ignorant you are several times over?
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Well that's just how cheap some peopleare.
Derr, what? Again, why would I be here complaining about their business model if I wasn't planning on giving them my money?
The mere fact that I'm here is proof that I'm not pirating this game.
The pirates are watching and laughing at the fact that honest customers are getting railed by Bioware while the pirates get everything for free no matter how unscrupulous the company becomes.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
heart again wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?
Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****. Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not. Many of them stay exclusive as well.
Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.
Good thing the character and mission was designed to be inconsequential then, isn't it?
You want the Prothean to be meaningful based on that it's a Prothean, not on what the actual role of what the character is. Which is a negligible one. He does not matter in the main game. You don't want to read the proof offered, fine. But don't continue to back your reasoning with incorrect information.
A prothean squadmate dost not matter in the main game? Dose he do some stuff then reverse time or something so that his existence did not matter? Why would this squadmate not matter?
Because that was how the game was written. You can ask Mac or the other writers why they wrote him that way, but that's the way it is.
jpzgoku wrote...
That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.
Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Well that's just how cheap some peopleare.
Derr, what? Again, why would I be here complaining about their business model if I wasn't planning on giving them my money?
The mere fact that I'm here is proof that I'm not pirating this game.
The pirates are watching and laughing at the fact that honest customers are getting railed by Bioware while the pirates get everything for free no matter how unscrupulous the company becomes.
Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 02:34 .
_symphony wrote...
You will have to explain me what I don't understand about DLCs.RiouHotaru wrote...
_symphony wrote...
well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.
I can see the money coming.
I love these kinds of posts because it shows how the anti-DLC crowd has no concept of how DLC works.
BTCentral wrote...
While it was not a "developer" I'm sure that Jessica Merizan (BioWare comminity manager) stated that was the case on Reddit yesterday.GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.
Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.
I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.
obie191970 wrote...
_symphony wrote...
that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.obie191970 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?
I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed. Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened? So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue. It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days. And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.
Sales are irrelevant to the issue. Name me another industry where the price to develop and market a product has increased significantly and the price of the product has not. With inflation $60 in 2005 becomes $69.63 today but the price has remained stagnant. Bioware has 500 employees - You think they're all getting the same salary they did 7 years ago? Office space, utilities, you can go on and on....
Thanks for the correctionArkkAngel007 wrote...
She didn't state that he wouldn't have made it past concept, just that he wouldn't have been in the game if he wasn't DLC. I just gave a little more insight, as much as I'm allowed to on this thread.BTCentral wrote...
While it was not a "developer" I'm sure that Jessica Merizan (BioWare comminity manager) stated that was the case on Reddit yesterday.
Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 02:36 .
jpzgoku wrote...
So he must do something like sit in the stairwell for the entire game and no one talks or interacts with him, not even once, for him not to matter. A prothean... the most mysterous race in the game, we know nothing about what they look like or anything. But this squadmate dose not matter. They probably picked the most mysterious race they could think of to further entice people to buy their fragmented content, so that they could further accomplish thier goal of making money. I used logic to come to this. I did not make up proof like you guys love to do and then not display it. I used logic.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Well that's just how cheap some peopleare.
Derr, what? Again, why would I be here complaining about their business model if I wasn't planning on giving them my money?
The mere fact that I'm here is proof that I'm not pirating this game.
The pirates are watching and laughing at the fact that honest customers are getting railed by Bioware while the pirates get everything for free no matter how unscrupulous the company becomes.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
heart again wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
jpzgoku wrote...
Bravery1282 wrote...
I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.
No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?
And it was not taken out of the main game. It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process.
Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost? No. But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.
And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple. It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter. What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.
Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it.
Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.
Part of the reason I know (not believe, know) is what I tried to have you look into. Again, if you don't want to actually consider the evidence and educate yourself on the matter, then you have no place in this issue.
I'm not saying this DLC wasn't planned ahead; of course it was. But there are reasons why it's DLC and not a part of the main game, mainly the fact that he was not in the main game and had no place in it. Believe it or not, DLC is planned way ahead. When the actual work takes place is up to the developers, while the price is controlled by EA.
And not purchasing the game doesn't solve the issue. Not buying the DLC will. No need for needless collateral damage.
That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.
Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist.
What have you proven? How ignorant you are several times over?
It's obvious now he's trolling. If he's been given the proof, refused to look at it, and continues to call everyone else out and keeps running with the wrong infomation, than he has no weight to his opinion. Just better that we ignore him.
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!
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