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[jpzgoku]

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.

Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist. 

Same can be said about your point of view....

Please elaborate

[obie191970]

Stealth3 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.

Sales are irrelevant to the issue.  Name me another industry where the price to develop and market a product has increased significantly and the price of the product has not.  With inflation $60 in 2005 becomes $69.63 today but the price has remained stagnant.  Bioware has 500 employees - You think they're all getting the same salary they did 7 years ago?  Office space, utilities, you can go on and on....

Not my problem buddy!!!  If thats how they roll, make the game 70$ then. 
And the company is making more than enough of their share, trust me, making very reasonable profit is not the point.  The point is they are going at great lengths to make maximum profit using the cheapest tacticts out there.  Like I said, it will backfire on them.   

I wasn't condoning it, just pointing out the realities of the situation.  When a developer makes 15% on the actual game itself and upwards of 50%+ on DLC, which way do you think they are going to go?

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...
So he must do something like sit in the stairwell for the entire game and no one talks or interacts with him, not even once, for him not to matter. A prothean... the most mysterous race in the game, we know nothing about what they look like or anything. But this squadmate dose not matter. They probably picked the most mysterious race they could think of to further entice people to buy their fragmented content, so that they could further accomplish thier goal of making money. I used logic to come to this. I did not make up proof like you guys love to do and then not display it. I used logic.

No, did not do such a thing.  A logical person would consider the evidence the other side has.  A logical person would also reasses their argument when their logic is found to be flawed.  You did neither of these things.

The script and demo files are not figments of my imagination last time I checked.  I PM'd a source to you for it, as I don't have the time to go through multiple script files to post on here, not to mention that is not a thing that the mods condone.  It was your choice not to look at it, which you admitted to not doing several pages back.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 02:44 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!

 
He is right. You don't have to connect to EA online to play ME1 or 2. Only in ME2 if you want to connect to Cerberus Network. You also don't have to register your game. All you need it an active EA account with your username and password to connect to EA servers. Whether or not you register your game has no bearing on being able to play it on Xbox 360.

Yeah but once you enter your details... it automatically shows up here. And how exactly one would go from I had no key in the box to oh yeah the cerberus key, is beyond me.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 02:41 .

[obie191970]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!

 
He is right. You don't have to connect to EA online to play ME1 or 2. Only in ME2 if you want to connect to Cerberus Network. You also don't have to register your game. All you need it an active EA account with your username and password to connect to EA servers. Whether or not you register your game has no bearing on being able to play it on Xbox 360.

Yeah but once you enter your details... it automatically shows up here.

That's not true - I had to register my game on this site for the tag to appear.

[heart again]

Yeah Jpzgoku your posts sure are logical!  Like this one...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

[Synthmilk]

Well BioWare said it all really in this line:

" The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which
is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)."

From Ashes was designed and targeted at long term fans.  Claming that this content being included in the CE game because "fans" are likely going to get that version is, frankly, incredibly arrogant and utterly insulting to all Mass Effect fans who do not have the money, or desire, for the extras inherent to a Collectors Edition.

Let me repeat that last part "the EXTRAS inherent to a Collectors Edition."

Content developed with the express intent at marketing it to "longtime fans" is not an EXTRA.  Claiming that content intended for the game that was started after the game was "content complete" (which is an oxy-moron because obviously it's not content complete if additional content is intended to be included on release day) with the knowledge it would not be able to be included on the physical disk but would be finished in time for the release of the game, does not somehow make that content EXTRA.

Trying to claim that "a separate team" developed this content is an attempt to imply that "it wasn't in the budget."  To which I call BU**SH*T.  Sure, BioWare doesn't have unlimited funds, but claiming that somehow the FREE DLC for ME2 wasn't an issue financially but THIS piece of DLC somehow IS, just further reinforces the concept that this content was intended from the start to be a big, valuable piece of the game.

From the standpoint of development, I do not see an argument for how this content is somehow an "extra", while at the same time developed for "long-time fans."  How is excluding this content from the base game doing them a favor?

From the standpoint of finances, I do not see an argument for how this content should cost more to have, when there are plenty of examples where similar content did not, and by all accounts Mass Effect 3 will be a blockbuster
title with massive profits.  Meaning whatever relatively minor budget (compared to the development of the main game) was required to produce this content would not be a financial burden.  If it needs to cost ten dollars to make up for it's development, that is simply incompetent management of resources on top of it all.

From the standpoint of simply doing right by the fans:  This content includes a character that for all intents and purposes has been built up in the previous games, especially the first game, to have significance second only to the Reapers themselves to Shepard personally and the story as a whole.  Not including it in the cost of the game, meaning Mass Effect 3: The Version The Vast Majority Of People Will Own, is an insult to everyone who has become emotionally invested in the story.

Claiming that it's included as part of a limited edition version of the game as some sort of gift to "long-term fans" is doublespeak of a magnitude typically only found in Orwellian dystopias.  Something developed for loyal fans is tucked away in a more expensive product, that not everyone can have.  Saying those loyal fans who weren't lucky enough to get a Collectors Edition can still PAY MORE for this content developed especially for them, is simply disgusting.

I will not be buying this game, or any other game made by BioWare, or EA, ever again.  Yes, I know many people are more than willing to pay more to get this and other similar content and I may be in a minority of customers, but that doesn't mean I am wrong, and it doesn't mean this type of behaviour on the part of a business is a good thing.

Modifié par Synthmilk, 25 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[jpzgoku]

A third attempt to get on tract for my main point here;

What do you gain from paying extra money to bioware for content that has been free in every other game in history that i know of. Games used to ship with all thier content, but we consumers are allowing that to change by supporting content to be fragmented from that game and sold for an extra fee, wheter it be DLC or Collectors Editions. Content that is available before lanuch should be included in the game. A complany saying that it is not meant to be in the standard game is not justification for withholding contet for an extra fee. The only reason I am on this forum is to try to get people make smarter purcahasing decisions so that these practices do not become the norm in the future. But for some reason people are offened by this. It is baffeling. The company exists to make money and dose not care about you. If they can get away with selling the full game at $70 then it makes sense for them to do it because they make more money. That is what is happening with ME3 and the only way to stop this from happening is to not support companies who have adopted these policies.

What do people gain from defending a price hike on these games? Why do people defend the idea that witholding content for extra $. I am being as nice as possible about this, not here to offend. I would like to understand these peoples thoughts. I do not wish for this to become a flame war. I am trying, most likey in vain, for this to be productive.

[Bravery1282]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It is not required at all to beat the game.

Again, why is that the proper standard?  Commander Shepard isn't required to beat the game.  Does that mean it would be OK for them to make people who only pay $60 play as Alenko, while people who pay $70 get Shepard added back into the story?  You can beat the game either way!

That's crap.

LOL.  How do you play through Shep's story without Shep?  If you played as Kaiden, it would cease to be Shep's story.  So, if at any point, in this game, there is time when someone says "you cant complete anymore game without the Prothean" I will fall right in line with your logic.  Until then.......    

Modifié par Bravery1282, 25 février 2012 - 02:43 .

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Well that's just how cheap some peopleare.

Derr, what?  Again, why would I be here complaining about their business model if I wasn't planning on giving them my money?

The mere fact that I'm here is proof that I'm not pirating this game.

 The pirates are watching and laughing at the fact that honest customers are getting railed by Bioware while the pirates get everything for free no matter how unscrupulous the company becomes.

Which is more sad and tragic considering how frank and honest Bioware is being with us.

[addiction21]

obie191970 wrote...

That's not true - I had to register my game on this site for the tag to appear.

 Opie is correct. For the badge to show up on this forum you need to actually register it to this specific area. I also have Warhammer online and DAO Awakenings but I believe neither dont show.

[_symphony]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.

I can see the money coming.

Except they all were critical to the plot progression, though Garrus nor Wrex needed to be recruited.

The Prothean is not even a part of the plot of ME3, just a brief sidestory.

Yes, you're right, my example was an exageration but you should get the idea. You say that prothy isn't important to the plot, and that's most likely true, but just because is a prothean, I feel that it should be in the game, and not in a DLC for milk more money.

[Stealth3]

Ninja, I recommend you buy a copy of ME3 on every paycheck you get to make up for all those not buying it. I didn't say not playing it, I said not buying it. Do that for a few years, maybe it will save the "company" from going under. Getting ripped off by big companies is an option many people decide not to take. You don't, good for you, but quit your bashing on others.

[jpzgoku]

heart again wrote...

Yeah Jpzgoku your posts sure are logical!  Like this one...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Ok whats ilogical? If you read the other posts i admitted to beign corrected that cosmentics and in game items have been included. But missions and squadmates have not. There was some debate and we concluded that shale and Zaheed came with the standard edition of their games. The only other exception may have been wardens keep.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Stealth3 wrote...

Ninja, I recommend you buy a copy of ME3 on every paycheck you get to make up for all those not buying it. I didn't say not playing it, I said not buying it. Do that for a few years, maybe it will save the "company" from going under. Getting ripped off by big companies is an option many people decide not to take. You don't, good for you, but quit your bashing on others.

Why so uppedy all of a sudden? All I asked about was the key in the box.. which you didn't have apparently.

[GuyIncognito21]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
I'm assuming yet another person who had no key in the box?

Just for you, TastyCakes...

http://i1246.photobu...26/94fd788d.jpg

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 25 février 2012 - 02:48 .

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Yeah but once you enter your details... it automatically shows up here. And how exactly one would go from I had no key in the box to oh yeah the cerberus key, is beyond me.

 
I didn't have Mass Effect 2 (I do now, but not at first) registered and I still got in-game content through this website. You can also opt out of having your information being uploaded to the site, IIRC. I know none of mine is, if that is what you mean. Unless you mean the registered icons.


If you're talking about the registration key (sorry, I may have missed some posts) he could have had a used game. I remember it took me forever to register Awakenings. I would try to put it in and it kept coming up invalid. I tried off and on over a span of a month and one day it just worked and all my games are new. Just because someone doesn't have a game register doesn't mean they don't have it, or that it's pirated. I only recently registered ME2 and I bought it at release. I just didn't really think about it when I got the game.

[J.amber]

obie191970 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.

Sales are irrelevant to the issue.  Name me another industry where the price to develop and market a product has increased significantly and the price of the product has not.  With inflation $60 in 2005 becomes $69.63 today but the price has remained stagnant.  Bioware has 500 employees - You think they're all getting the same salary they did 7 years ago?  Office space, utilities, you can go on and on....

actually someone mentioned this (you?) the price for games hasn't actually changed much at all for about 20 years, it's been hovering around $60 for that long .... deff wages have increased, even the number of people working on the games which makes it worse ... so makes sense, with this current generation of games, they went the DLC route, companies need to make more lol .... and guess what it's optional content ... people would be raging even more if companies started raising the price of the core games even more but they didn't, they made optional content to help with cost .... and making money is not bad, who the hell thinks that?? without profit, companies wouldn't even be in business and people would be stuck with board games ... oh what fun that would be 

[ArkkAngel007]

_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.

I can see the money coming.

Except they all were critical to the plot progression, though Garrus nor Wrex needed to be recruited.

The Prothean is not even a part of the plot of ME3, just a brief sidestory.

Yes, you're right, my example was an exageration but you should get the idea. You say that prothy isn't important to the plot, and that's most likely true, but just because is a prothean, I feel that it should be in the game, and not in a DLC for milk more money.

I wish he was more important to, but that's our opinions, and are irrelevent on how the game was actually written and what this character is to the game.

But yes, it is taking advantage of fans by selling it on the day of launch.

[_symphony]

obie191970 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.

Sales are irrelevant to the issue.  Name me another industry where the price to develop and market a product has increased significantly and the price of the product has not.  With inflation $60 in 2005 becomes $69.63 today but the price has remained stagnant.  Bioware has 500 employees - You think they're all getting the same salary they did 7 years ago?  Office space, utilities, you can go on and on....

I don't see how sales are irrelevant, if you sell more copies than before, you win more money. Isn't that right?

[ZX12r Ninja]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
I'm assuming yet another person who had no key in the box?

Just for you, TastyCakes...

http://i1246.photobu...26/94fd788d.jpg

Ever heard of google images? This proves what exactly? And why did you go to the trouble of starting your xbox when you could've just taken a picture of the box? It was sitting right next to you right?

Hey look! I'm a UFC Champ... NOT!

http://www.mytakerad...12/DSC00732.jpg

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 02:56 .

[DJBare]

jpzgoku wrote...
What do people gain from defending a price hike on these games? Why do people defend the idea that witholding content for extra $. I am being as nice as possible about this, not here to offend. I would like to understand these peoples thoughts. I do not wish for this to become a flame war. I am trying, most likey in vain, for this to be productive.

Future games development, it shocks me sometimes when I see how much a loaf of bread has increased in price.

It's really quite simple, don't like the DLC, boycott the DLC, see, saved $10 already.

[ArkkAngel007]

J.amber wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.

Sales are irrelevant to the issue.  Name me another industry where the price to develop and market a product has increased significantly and the price of the product has not.  With inflation $60 in 2005 becomes $69.63 today but the price has remained stagnant.  Bioware has 500 employees - You think they're all getting the same salary they did 7 years ago?  Office space, utilities, you can go on and on....

actually someone mentioned this (you?) the price for games hasn't actually changed much at all for about 20 years, it's been hovering around $60 for that long .... deff wages have increased, even the number of people working on the games which makes it worse ... so makes sense, with this current generation of games, they went the DLC route, companies need to make more lol .... and guess what it's optional content ... people would be raging even more if companies started raising the price of the core games even more but they didn't, they made optional content to help with cost .... and making money is not bad, who the hell thinks that?? without profit, companies wouldn't even be in business and people would be stuck with board games ... oh what fun that would be 

Hey, I love scattergories and monopoly...but my gosh, I wish they took out the multiplayer in those.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 02:53 .

[Raxxman]

Bravery1282 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It is not required at all to beat the game.

Again, why is that the proper standard?  Commander Shepard isn't required to beat the game.  Does that mean it would be OK for them to make people who only pay $60 play as Alenko, while people who pay $70 get Shepard added back into the story?  You can beat the game either way!

That's crap.

LOL.  How do you play through Shep's story without Shep?  If you played as Kaiden, it would cease to be Shep's story.  So, if at any point, in this game, there is time when someone says "you cant complete anymore game without the Prothean" I will fall right in line with your logic.  Until then.......    

A better example would be femshep.

Femshep plays no part whatsoever in the concept of ME, Sheploo is the cannonical Shep, and the poster boy, and apparently something like 90% of the players use maleshep. The majority of ME players wouldn't be effected at all by Femsheps exclusion.

[Stealth3]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Ninja, I recommend you buy a copy of ME3 on every paycheck you get to make up for all those not buying it. I didn't say not playing it, I said not buying it. Do that for a few years, maybe it will save the "company" from going under. Getting ripped off by big companies is an option many people decide not to take. You don't, good for you, but quit your bashing on others.

Why so uppedy all of a sudden? All I asked about was the key in the box.. which you didn't have apparently.

And as far as I'm concerned, the key in the box is my problem not yours.  If I was a pirate, would I be coming on here ****ing about something that I could get with little effort for free, days before the game even gets released?  Think about it....