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[Oilking72]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...
Are you ****ing kidding me!?!  Let's keep the crazy down to a manageable level shall we.  Lol.

You might lol, but it's actually true and a few of them got called out on it a while back and have not been seen posting since. 

And, please note, this IS the company that got caught trying to load review scores on Metacritic.

Are you talking about the user reviews?  Who actually cares about that when all you have is a bunch of people throwing around 10's and 0's?  Not to mention there's usually only a few thousand on the best day which is too small a sample size to mean anything.

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


He might have used it as in "free of extra charge" but in the end you pay for it, period. No company is mad enough to give away stuff for free unless they get something for it in return. A company like Bioware who makes money off content isn't just going to give content away for free, no matter if you buy CE, the price of the DLC is calculated into the price.

If they start giving it away to SE buyers then I want a refund.

 
What he might have meant and what he said are two different things. You can't presume to say what he meant.


Also, lots of companies give out Day One DLC free. Bioware did with Zaeed, IIRC. I believe The Witcher 2 had some free DLC as well. The swag you get in the CE is quite substantial without the DLC, imo.

[ArkkAngel007]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Empiro wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

KBomb wrote...
Yes, I know that. I pre-ordered the CE myself. But with so many people saying that we paid for the DLC in the CE and being quite frankly sardonic with it(see above statement) I was wondering if I was right in the fact that Casey Hudson has said on a few occasions that the DLC comes free with the CE. I could have sworn I read some tweets and if I am not mistaken, I think it has been said in this thread or the old one. Since they are holding on to every word Bioware says and using it to build their arguments like this ^^, I was curious.

He might have used it as in "free of extra charge" but in the end you pay for it, period. No company is mad enough to give away stuff for free unless they get something for it in return. A company like Bioware who makes money off content isn't just going to give content away for free, no matter if you buy CE, the price of the DLC is calculated into the price.

If they start giving it away to SE buyers then I want a refund.

It might come as a surprise, but for some companies, they feel that the best way to make money in the long run is to have the good will of their customers. Giving away things for free is one way to gain good will.

Bioware used to be like that, but for me, they've burned away most of it in the last few years.

The demo is rather generous wouldn't you agree.

Demo, Kingdoms of Amalur cross-promotion, FemShep trailer, nice CE...we haven't had this much for the previous games.

[ArkkAngel007]

Oilking72 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...
Are you ****ing kidding me!?!  Let's keep the crazy down to a manageable level shall we.  Lol.

You might lol, but it's actually true and a few of them got called out on it a while back and have not been seen posting since. 

And, please note, this IS the company that got caught trying to load review scores on Metacritic.

Are you talking about the user reviews?  Who actually cares about that when all you have is a bunch of people throwing around 10's and 0's?  Not to mention there's usually only a few thousand on the best day which is too small a sample size to mean anything.

Not to mention numbers are stupid.  When now an 8, even 8.5 is considered average when a 5 or 6 should be, you know there a problem.

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

What he might have meant and what he said are two different things. You can't presume to say what he meant.


Also, lots of companies give out Day One DLC free. Bioware did with Zaeed, IIRC. I believe The Witcher 2 had some free DLC as well. The swag you get in the CE is quite substantial without the DLC, imo.

The concept of a free 0-day DLC is to limit second hand buyers as you have to pay to get the extra content when you buy a used copy. That should be clear by now.

And what do you get with CE? All stuff which they paid some Chinese worker 2 dollars to make. The artbook is something the scraped together from the concept stage. The patch is made by the thousands by a machine and I'm not sure what this lithograph thing is supposed to be.

Don't misunderstand me, it holds great collectable value but no monetary value.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 03:59 .

[ArkkAngel007]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

GameStop released them on facebook.

www.facebook.com/media/set/

As nobody has said it, I'll be the first to say it. That looks like a rather HUGE DLC. Spanning what looks like 2 planets and the Citadel. Looks like it's worth the 10 bucks extra.

KBomb wrote...

Again, is this conjecture or did Casey Hudson say this? Because, I believe the word he used was free.

C'mon don't be silly. There's no way they're giving it away to CE buyers and you know it.

The Citadel and Thessia image are not from DLC, but the armor Kaidan, Liara, and I think Vega are wearing in them are, as is the Prothean weapon Shepard is using in the Citadel image.

The shot of the Prothean fighting Collectors is a part of the DLC though.

[BaronIveagh]

For real hilarity: it's 'on disc' DLC, and was removed pretty late in development, as the audio tracks for the Prothean were included in the Demo.

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


C'mon don't be silly. There's no way they're giving it away to CE buyers and you know it.

 
I wasn't being silly. It's a legitimate question. Also, I don't believe much of what any company tells me. It's the consumer cynic in me. However, there are some here who are building their argument on the fact that they believe Bioware wholeheartedly. You either believe them or not. You can't pick and choose which statements do and do not fit with your argument. Either you think Casey Hudson and Bioware are being dishonest or deceitful, or you believe the statements they make are completely literal and true. On my part, it was a serious question. If you don't know the answer, then fine. Maybe you shouldn't respond if you think it's silly. I don't know the answer either—which is why I asked.

[DJBare]

BaronIveagh wrote...

And, please note, this IS the company that got caught trying to load review scores on Metacritic.

Woah, it was an employee who was discovered to be loading the review scores, I'll try to find the story.

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


C'mon don't be silly. There's no way they're giving it away to CE buyers and you know it.

 
I wasn't being silly. It's a legitimate question. Also, I don't believe much of what any company tells me. It's the consumer cynic in me. However, there are some here who are building their argument on the fact that they believe Bioware wholeheartedly. You either believe them or not. You can't pick and choose which statements do and do not fit with your argument. Either you think Casey Hudson and Bioware are being dishonest or deceitful, or you believe the statements they make are completely literal and true. On my part, it was a serious question. If you don't know the answer, then fine. Maybe you shouldn't respond if you think it's silly. I don't know the answer either—which is why I asked.

If you're such a cynic then why do you assume they're going to make a divide between CE and SE buyers. For them we're all customers and hold equaly great potential of being screwd over. It's not like the evil heads of Bioware and EA came together and hatched this plot to screw SE buyers over by giving CE buyers stuff for free. Even if they're going to exploit their customers then CE buyers would be a better candidate as they're the fanatics who are willing to fork a bit extra to get meaningless trinkets.

Heck! Like I said, all the physical stuff in the package probably cost them a few cents to make in China.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[obie191970]

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


He might have used it as in "free of extra charge" but in the end you pay for it, period. No company is mad enough to give away stuff for free unless they get something for it in return. A company like Bioware who makes money off content isn't just going to give content away for free, no matter if you buy CE, the price of the DLC is calculated into the price.

If they start giving it away to SE buyers then I want a refund.

 
What he might have meant and what he said are two different things. You can't presume to say what he meant.


Also, lots of companies give out Day One DLC free. Bioware did with Zaeed, IIRC. I believe The Witcher 2 had some free DLC as well. The swag you get in the CE is quite substantial without the DLC, imo.

It was a Twitter post in response to someone else.  I refuse to take that as canon.  When I ordered the CE it was because of the extra mision and character - Whether you did or not is fine, it was the reason I did.  Free, included, part of the package price, etc., it doesn't matter.  It was part of the advertised product for the CE, it wasn't for the SE.

Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


The concept of a free 0-day DLC is to limit second hand buyers as you have to pay to get the extra content when you buy a used copy. That should be clear by now.

And what do you get with CE? All stuff which they paid some Chinese worker 2 dollars to make. The artbook is something the scraped together from the concept stage. The patch is made by the thousands by a machine and I'm not sure what this lithograph thing is supposed to be.

Don't misunderstand me, it holds great collectable value but no monetary value.

 
If you were under the assumption that the DLC was going to be sold with the SE, then why did you pre-order the CE if you think everything in it with the exclusion of the DLC is rubbish? You would have saved $10.00 had you purchased the SE and wouldn't have had to had any of the cheap swag. By this logic, you must have thought the swag was worth something of value—monetary or otherwise—to shell out an extra ten dollars.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

For real hilarity: it's 'on disc' DLC, and was removed pretty late in development, as the audio tracks for the Prothean were included in the Demo.

Don't start that up again.  We've been through that numerous times. 

DLC is not on disk, only the VO work and certain markers in the main game cinematics and such to indicate where he can be present are on there.  That was the case with Kasumi as well.  The actual work is in the files you download in the DLC.  I've been through the actual files in the demo (sorry BioWare!) and confirmed this.

It was not on the retail copy at any point and removed.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 04:07 .

[didymos1120]

BaronIveagh wrote...

For real hilarity: it's 'on disc' DLC, and was removed pretty late in development, as the audio tracks for the Prothean were included in the Demo.

No, it's not.  The bulk of the content will be downloaded.  What will be on the disc are the on-mission comments (e.g. the squad responses to the burning bodies on Mordin's recruitment mission).  Kasumi and Zaeed worked the same way. 

[didymos1120]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

And, please note, this IS the company that got caught trying to load review scores on Metacritic.

Woah, it was an employee who was discovered to be loading the review scores, I'll try to find the story.

Pretty sure it was just the one person too.

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


The concept of a free 0-day DLC is to limit second hand buyers as you have to pay to get the extra content when you buy a used copy. That should be clear by now.

And what do you get with CE? All stuff which they paid some Chinese worker 2 dollars to make. The artbook is something the scraped together from the concept stage. The patch is made by the thousands by a machine and I'm not sure what this lithograph thing is supposed to be.

Don't misunderstand me, it holds great collectable value but no monetary value.

 
If you were under the assumption that the DLC was going to be sold with the SE, then why did you pre-order the CE if you think everything in it with the exclusion of the DLC is rubbish? You would have saved $10.00 had you purchased the SE and wouldn't have had to had any of the cheap swag. By this logic, you must have thought the swag was worth something of value—monetary or otherwise—to shell out an extra ten dollars.

I am a gullible fan, I have to have all the extra's. I'm a sucker for extras. I have the BF3 limited edition too. As well as the LoTR Extended editions and a lot more stuff which is extra. And I was never under the assupmtion (where do you get this from?)  the DLC would be sold to SE buyers, eventually maybe but not at launch. I think it's nice of Bioware to throw it in for SE buyers as a paid extra as they can also enjoy the extra content if they wished. Unlike that gamestop exclusive nonsense you get these days.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 04:11 .

[DJBare]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

And, please note, this IS the company that got caught trying to load review scores on Metacritic.

Woah, it was an employee who was discovered to be loading the review scores, I'll try to find the story.

vividgamer.com/2011/03/14/bioware-employee-caught-reviewing-dragon-age-ii/

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


If you're such a cynic then why do you assume they're going to make a divide between CE and SE buyers. For them we're all customers and hold equaly great potential of being screwd over. It's not like the evil heads of Bioware and EA came together and hatched this plot to screw SE buyers over by giving CE buyers stuff for free. Even if they're going to exploit their customers then CE buyers would be a better candidate as they're the fanatics who are willing to fork a bit extra to get meaningless trinkets.

Heck! Like I said, all the physical stuff in the package probably cost them a few cents to make in China.

 
But I never said I believed such. You're making an argument based on what you believe me to have said instead of what I actually said. I said that the cynic in me usually doesn't give me the liberty to believe most statements released by any company. The rest of your post is nothing but your opinion and thoughts on the matter, instead of anything that has to do with my statement.

[J.amber]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

For real hilarity: it's 'on disc' DLC, and was removed pretty late in development, as the audio tracks for the Prothean were included in the Demo.

Don't start that up again.  We've been through that numerous times. 

DLC is not on disk, only the VO work and certain markers in the main game cinematics and such to indicate where he can be present are on there.  That was the case with Kasumi as well.  The actual work is in the files you download in the DLC.  I've been through the actual files in the demo (sorry BioWare!) and confirmed this.

It was not on the retail copy at any point and removed.

actually he's in the "core game" he's just a NPC not a squadmate or having a mission which is the DLC

[DJBare]

J.amber wrote...

actually he's in the "core game" he's just a NPC not a squadmate or having a mission which is the DLC

That statement keeps falling on deaf ears around here(okay, blind eyes then!)

[_symphony]

obie191970 wrote...

KBomb wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

They sure did screw up in not giving SE owners DLC for free that CE owners paid for. Man did they F*ck this one up.

 
Didn't Casey Hudson himself state the DLC comes free with the CE? You paid more for it only because of the swag?

I didn't pay more for it because of the swag.  I paid more for it because it advertised an additional character and mission.  At 41, the patch and postcard sized art book really aren't a draw for me.  And I think Casey's twitter post on that is an issue of semantics - By free he meant it was included in the $80 CE price that was as advertised.

Well, the reason of why did you paid it is kind of irrelevant, if the DLC is included free, is included free, regardless of the reasons you had.

Now  I understand why many CE buyers think Prothy was a CE exclusive, BioWare was probably vague about it, never saying that it will be included in a DLC so the only way for get it was buying the CE, and falling into their trap.

Now that the DLC is announced, CE owners doesn't even like the idea of seeing SE buyers getting Prothy for free, since they bought the CE for that reason.

This is BioWare's fault, you got tricked into buying the CE when in the long run it wasn't necessary.

[BTCentral]

KBomb wrote...

Also, lots of companies give out Day One DLC free. Bioware did with Zaeed, IIRC. I believe The Witcher 2 had some free DLC as well. The swag you get in the CE is quite substantial without the DLC, imo.

Not when you're paying £27 (PC) to £30 (360/PS3) extra for the CE, as you do in the UK - in my opinion. (That's around $42 to $47 extra for those of you in the US).

Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


If you're such a cynic then why do you assume they're going to make a divide between CE and SE buyers. For them we're all customers and hold equaly great potential of being screwd over. It's not like the evil heads of Bioware and EA came together and hatched this plot to screw SE buyers over by giving CE buyers stuff for free. Even if they're going to exploit their customers then CE buyers would be a better candidate as they're the fanatics who are willing to fork a bit extra to get meaningless trinkets.

Heck! Like I said, all the physical stuff in the package probably cost them a few cents to make in China.

 
But I never said I believed such. You're making an argument based on what you believe me to have said instead of what I actually said. I said that the cynic in me usually doesn't give me the liberty to believe most statements released by any company. The rest of your post is nothing but your opinion and thoughts on the matter, instead of anything that has to do with my statement.

As an excerpt:

You asked: Did they include it in CE for free while SE has to pay.
I said: No, don't be silly why do you assume this?
You said: The cynic in me sais so.
I said: If you're a cynic then why do you think they're padding CE while screwing SE?

If you're asking whether CE gets it for free (absolutely free, no calculation, no bookkeeping, no meetings, just make it and slap it on free) and whether SE has to pay for it then you are essentialy making a divide between CE and SE.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

J.amber wrote...

actually he's in the "core game" he's just a NPC not a squadmate or having a mission which is the DLC

That statement keeps falling on deaf ears around here(okay, blind eyes then!)

 

I heard  yah... I just hope is not true... can you allow me to be willfully blind till March 6th?

[KBomb]

obie191970 wrote...

It was a Twitter post in response to someone else.  I refuse to take that as canon.  When I ordered the CE it was because of the extra mision and character - Whether you did or not is fine, it was the reason I did.  Free, included, part of the package price, etc., it doesn't matter.  It was part of the advertised product for the CE, it wasn't for the SE.

Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

 
You may refuse to take it as canon, but he did state the DLC came free to all who purchased the CE. Whether you purchased it for the DLC or swag is really irrelevant to the whole thing. Whether or not I purchased it for swag or DLC is irrelevant, as well. What matters is his statement. Not what we turn his statement into to match what suits our feelings, thoughts and arguments.


As for the Mike Gamble excerpt you posted. It sounds very much like he is stating the CE purchasers received the DLC free because it would appeal more to them—the long time fans. I don't see how that statement helps what you're trying to convey.