BaronIveagh wrote...
J.amber wrote...
actually he's in the "core game" he's just a NPC not a squadmate or having a mission which is the DLC
Shepard, the checkpoint is under fire.
BaronIveagh wrote...
J.amber wrote...
actually he's in the "core game" he's just a NPC not a squadmate or having a mission which is the DLC
Shepard, the checkpoint is under fire.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
The content wasn't cut from the main game. When is that fact going to actually set in?
fides5566 wrote...
BaronIveagh wrote...
For real hilarity: it's 'on disc' DLC, and was removed pretty late in development, as the audio tracks for the Prothean were included in the Demo.
Give me the evidence please, not just a link to someone post that it was included in the demo.
But how to get that audio tracks and where is that file in the demo.
Yeah, but it's not near as much fun as standing on a soapbox shouting your displeasure at the man.lastpawn wrote...
I think this is a simple issue, and one that doesn't need morality drawn into it.
Either you're OK with the model where you pay for first day DLC, or you're not. If you're not, you can elect to show that by either not buying the game or waiting till it's in the discount isle. It's your money, and we get the type of behavior from companies that we accept.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
The content wasn't cut from the main game. When is that fact going to actually set in?
Maybe when a developer comes on here and says that without the ability to sell this content separately, it wouldn't exist.
andrew252 wrote...
honestly i wouldnt care as long as hes not the only living one,if it turns out hes the sole survivor then its a big nono but if you find a colony still living then i will let them get away with it.The only bad thing i c is that its a 1st day dlc,way around that is to stall it for bout 3-4 months
obie191970 wrote...
C'mon KBomb. We're going to charge you an extra $20 for a boy scout patch, a postcard sized art book, a robotic dog and a N7 hoodie. But we'll give you an extra character and mission for free!!!! Really? It's obviously included as part of the extra $20 that CE buyers spent. Everyone is going to different monetary values on those products but the fact remains that the DLC was included in that price.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
The content wasn't cut from the main game. When is that fact going to actually set in?
Maybe when a developer comes on here and says that without the ability to sell this content separately, it wouldn't exist.
DJBare wrote...
Yeah, but it's not near as much fun as standing on a soapbox shouting your displeasure at the man.lastpawn wrote...
I think this is a simple issue, and one that doesn't need morality drawn into it.
Either you're OK with the model where you pay for first day DLC, or you're not. If you're not, you can elect to show that by either not buying the game or waiting till it's in the discount isle. It's your money, and we get the type of behavior from companies that we accept.
Mclouvins wrote...
Jessica Merizan already said that on Reddit, which makes sense. If this content was developed outside the overall operating budget of the core game it has to be distributed it such a way that generates revenue.
Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 25 février 2012 - 04:38 .
Mclouvins wrote...
Once again img.gawkerassets.com/img/17eig06xukt8apng/original.png
Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 04:39 .
KBomb wrote...
Wrong. Someone posted this:
BaronIveagh wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
Once again img.gawkerassets.com/img/17eig06xukt8apng/original.png
You know, people keep brandishing that around like it has meaning, but the funny part is, it's wrong.
http://s16.postimage...rrected_map.jpg
That's what it would look like inthis case, because the Prothean was excised during production, not preproduction.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
Her title is "community manager" which sounds to me a lot like "PR spin doctor."
well now i can c more light on the other side argument,if hes the only one alive that makes him wee bit important now isnt itYuoaman wrote...
andrew252 wrote...
honestly i wouldnt care as long as hes not the only living one,if it turns out hes the sole survivor then its a big nono but if you find a colony still living then i will let them get away with it.The only bad thing i c is that its a 1st day dlc,way around that is to stall it for bout 3-4 months
Javik is the only one.
breadedpudding wrote...
No one has any proof that Prothy is plot essential until they play the game/DLC. Yes, he's a Prothean and I understand the importance of the race to some of us, the players, but how many characters in the game are going to believe he's a Prothean and not just a Collector or some other disguised or modified race? In game, no one really, truly knows WHAT Protheans even looked like 50,000 years ago. For that, how will they care? If they did believe, would they honestly believe he'd have some insight into how to defeat the Reapers, when the Protheans to begin with were more or less wiped out by them? Plus, you know... the galaxy is kind of going to hell in a hand basket, so I would think some folks would have more important things to worry about than some random alien popping up and claiming to be part of an extinct race.
breadedpudding wrote...
BaronIveagh wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
Once again img.gawkerassets.com/img/17eig06xukt8apng/original.png
You know, people keep brandishing that around like it has meaning, but the funny part is, it's wrong.
http://s16.postimage...rrected_map.jpg
That's what it would look like inthis case, because the Prothean was excised during production, not preproduction.
No one has any proof that Prothy is plot essential until they play the game/DLC. Yes, he's a Prothean and I understand the importance of the race to some of us, the players, but how many characters in the game are going to believe he's a Prothean and not just a Collector or some other disguised or modified race? In game, no one really, truly knows WHAT Protheans even looked like 50,000 years ago. For that, how will they care? If they did believe, would they honestly believe he'd have some insight into how to defeat the Reapers, when the Protheans to begin with were more or less wiped out by them? Plus, you know... the galaxy is kind of going to hell in a hand basket, so I would think some folks would have more important things to worry about than some random alien popping up and claiming to be part of an extinct race.
Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 04:42 .
obie191970 wrote...
I012345 wrote...
I just read about this DLC and listened to the Totalbiscuits video. I'm a huge fan of DLC and have bought ever single DLC Bioware has ever released since the XBOX came out. And I gotta say this is a really ****ty move on their part. I believe Mr. Gamble when he says it was not part of the original game and that they developed it separately. But you chose to develop a goddamn Prothean squad member as optional content. Considering the lore of Mass Effect that's flat out ridiculous. And then you charge $10 for it? Sleazy. Pure, plain and simple.
I've always been quick to dismiss people who have said Bioware's partnership with EA is toxic. The ones who continually stated that EA would change Bioware's way of doing business and ultimately hurt the customers who have followed them all these years. But between this DLC, the Deception debacle, and the Dragon Age 2 disaster I'm seriously questioning whether or not the naysayers have been right all along. Again I've bought every Bioware game and DLC since KOTOR. So this isn't somebody standing on the sidelines pointing fingers at your content. This is a loyal rabid fan saying what you're doing is FLAT OUT WRONG.
Unfortunately, if they didn't charge for it, then everyone who puchased the CE would be up in arms. Bioware put themselves between a rock and a hard place with this one. It is a crappy situation for sure. The way I look at it, I get more out of Bioware's games for my gaming buck so the extra $10, while completely uncalled for, is not that bad.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Spoiler'd Commiserating Group would like a word with you
I can understand why people want Javik to be important. I just don't understand how they can't understand that their opinion doesn't supercede the writing in the game.
Monochrome Wench wrote...
CH says 'Free' must be absolute truth
CH says 'developed after main game finished' must be a lie
BaronIveagh wrote...
breadedpudding wrote...
No one has any proof that Prothy is plot essential until they play the game/DLC. Yes, he's a Prothean and I understand the importance of the race to some of us, the players, but how many characters in the game are going to believe he's a Prothean and not just a Collector or some other disguised or modified race? In game, no one really, truly knows WHAT Protheans even looked like 50,000 years ago. For that, how will they care? If they did believe, would they honestly believe he'd have some insight into how to defeat the Reapers, when the Protheans to begin with were more or less wiped out by them? Plus, you know... the galaxy is kind of going to hell in a hand basket, so I would think some folks would have more important things to worry about than some random alien popping up and claiming to be part of an extinct race.
What does that have ot do with what I wrote? All it said was that they had the same preproduction phase and that teh protehan would have been excised in the production phase. (since he does have audio in the game)
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
He was excised in the pre-production phase. Again, he never made it past concept. It was a different Prothean than Javik.
Javik was created in the production/post-production phase to be solely DLC. His VO session was done with the rest of the VO work, and certain markers had to be programmed into cinematics to designate his appearance, just like with other DLC characters in the past.
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