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[kittehg0d]

V1per7 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

If Bioware goes through with this, I hope to god they make tons of DLC after release so they can milk their mindless fanboys of their money. They really don't deserve it if they are defending a terrible practice in the gaming industry.

i hope the same. if this goes through, all respect for bioware...GONE!

I lost all my repect for bioware at DA2 

[nightlordv]

[quote]Draconis6666 wrote...

[quote]nightlordv wrote...

[quote]Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's![/quote]

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"


Companies do that all the time though and its a widely accepted business practice that no one rants and raves about like little children.[/quote]



And people that don't stand up and say I have had enough will allow
companies to continue this shady business practice again and again which
hurts all consurmers in the end.

If people are so flacid to not speak out against this BS then theres no hope for anything to change.

Modifié par nightlordv, 23 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Now THIS is a valid argument and the one people should be complaining about.

The Prothean species was full of unimportant characters. 

[Mr. MannlyMan]

My only real concern is that, it being a Day 1 DLC, the Prothean character will be poorly written into the game, and will ultimately be just another henchman for Shepard to order around, without any real significance to the plot, or effect on other characters. That would be most disappointing, considering the importance of the Protheans to the plot and the lore.

That would upset me more than it costing $10 for SE owners. Honestly, even disregarding the debate about DLC and pricing structures, I still feel as though this should have been included in the main game. That would have made more sense than demoting it to "optional content" status.

[Yuoaman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

So?

THat has nothing to do with the fact that he is still a goddamn PROTHEAN, you know... the species that is wildly important to the series and supposedly extinct? Yeah, those guys.

[Paragon Auducan]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

This is like saying Darth Vader is not important to the storyline of StarWars because the plot of the movies is the war against the emperor.

The Emperor is only really put into the film at the end... Dark Vader is the main antagonist/protagonist all the way. Protheans can be consider like those stupid Bothan spies that get kill off screen to give information about the Death Star to rebellion.

That's complete BS.

Although I would say Star Wars is more about Luke and Vader's relationship than Empire vs Rebels. Emperor was in since ESB and Vader was shown as an equal to Tarkin in E4 which meant he wasn't at the top of the chain.

Protheans are like the Jedi from TOR, they hold a lot of wisdom the Jedi from E4 onwards would definately want to know.

Modifié par Paragon Auducan, 23 février 2012 - 12:47 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Tazzmission wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

agreed! im not joking either i really do agree with you on this

That or maybe BioWare should stop the production of the game, and spend another 2 years changing the whole thing to make the Prothean the center of the plot (which a few on here who are raging about it not being in the retail copy are the same people who hated the idea of it when people suggested the return of the Protheans).  

I'm not trying to be a jerk.  I understand that it's a big deal, a part of the reason why I purchased the CE in the first place.

But the fact is, the game will be just fine without him.  If he was never announced, you wouldn't have cared that much that there wasn't a Prothean, as they were to our knowledge, all dead for thousands of years.

If you're against the DLC, don't buy it.  If you still want the dialogue he provides, there are resources to do so, such as YouTube and the Mass Effect Wiki.  Not buying the DLC will show how bad a decision it was if you believe it so.

But not buying the retail game that isn't affected by the DLC in any negative way?  That's just hurting the development team that has tried appeasing this group than we all would admit to, while still trying to expand their player base so they can possibly make a significant profit this time around.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[felipejiraya]

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

It's not like he fought the Reapers and won. 

[RiouHotaru]

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

So?  As a member of a race, sure, that makes him special.  But as an individual, he can't DO anything, besides offer Shepard his assistance as a soldier.

[V1per7]

kittehg0d wrote...

 Hey, guys.. remember when bioware made complete games?

I sure as hell remember. I remember them making some of my favorite childhood games.

What happened to you bioware?

it used to be about compassion for gaming. creating the best game that pull right into the world...now its about money...getting rich...exploiting the good name of games that gamer come to love.

how disgusting...

[k177sh0t]

[quote]RiouHotaru wrote...

[quote]Eterna5 wrote...
 He's just a soldier.

[/quote]

Source?

[Catsith]

Now it's been years since I played Dragon Age, but I do remember the uproar over the Stone Prisoner and Warden's Keep. Even after all that, however, I also remember EA saying that Warden's Keep had made over $1 million dollars on launch, which is great for a piece of DLC. I have to wonder, realistically, how much money they can make from selling this Prothean DLC character, and if it is worth all the bad press, the fan uproar, the boycotting, the tarnishing of the Bioware brand and ME franchise, etc. I mean the Mass Effect fans who missed out on the CE are probably not going to want to pass up on having a frickin' PROTHEAN in the party, so I'm sure they will fork over the money and grit their teeth while doing so.

I don't know. It will be very interesting to see if they announce how many people or how much money they will make off this shady DLC.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Yuoaman wrote...

Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's!

Because it was never, not even for half a second, planned to be exclusive for CE owners. They were always going to sell it standalone and the fact that it includes something so huge in the Mass Effect universe it's ridiculous that they've decided to do this.

No, it was never supposed to be a CE exclusive, but it was supposed to be a CE perk. Take the perk out of the CE and give it to everyone, and you take out part of the reason I bought the CE over the SE in the first place. Might as well not have perks in CEs anymore...

Now, if they were gonna make everyone pay for this Day 1 DLC, I'd be raging. But since this is a piece of DLC that has been advertised as part of the CE since the summer, at least, I'm not.

[Cakefish]

As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

Modifié par Cakefish, 23 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[Wevyc]

Tyrium wrote...

You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.!

Wrong.  Collector's Editions should not have ANY additional in game content ever.  You may not find things like soudntracks, art books, figurines, posters, etc. to be worth the extra cost but plenty of people do.

I realize this is hardly the first time this has happened, but that doesn't make it right.

[Takamori The Templar]

>The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering

Long-time fans, we appreciate all the support you've given us over the years! Now pay us for your day 1 DLC that should have been in the game in the first place.

btw;

[mogonk]

Preparing content during the development cyle and then selling it on day 1 to people who already paid full price for a new copy of your game is a despicable business practice.

ME1 and ME2 were totally free of this crap. How is ANYBODY supporting Bioware's decision to start milking its fan base for cash like this on the third game?

Seriously, give me a reason why it's a good thing that they've started doing this.

[redsox95MB]

Fix1o0 wrote...

>superb ce edition.

Hahaha. Babbies first CE because mummy gave him something extra for nice behavior.

Idiot.

Uh huh. 
Well, I actually worked my ass off last summer doing manual labor so I could buy Skyrim and the ME3 CE.

Do you even know what manual labor is you little punk?

Modifié par redsox95MB, 23 février 2012 - 12:49 .

[didymos1120]

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

Prepare to be unhappy.

[Paragon Auducan]

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

As you can see those were indoctrinated Husk like Protheans and have obviously been mutated.

[El Ejcovero]

Squallypo wrote...
theres not much to say about what bioware is doing nowdays about their games in this case affecting me 3
 

What probably started the fire in the first place... 

[MarchWaltz]

I'm crossing fingers for the new squaddie to be a FULLY voiced character, not like zaeed or kas. I want to ask this....VERY old person some questions god-damn.

[Jotamide]

Kasumi & Zaeed -> Not relevant to the plot. Nice additions to the crew but nothing crucial.
A Prothean -> Part of a race that pretty much has been a central plot element to the whole series.

This is not "extra bonus content", this was probably decided somewhere along the writing process of ME3, and it's truly a shame that if you don't pay a little extra you don't get to find out a about it.

Shame on you BioWare. DLC on day -14 is not something that does any favor to all the loyal fans who would be getting ME3 on day 1.