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[ArkkAngel007]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why stop at Mass Effect? You all know this is EA's doing. Just boycott EA entirely. That means skipping out on the new Sims expansion, Madden, SSX, Battlefield, Need For Speed, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge etc.

Oh wait, that would mean you wouldn't be playing a lot of new games. Some of which you people love too much to let go. It's a lot easier to take a stand when it's the easiest path. Stop playing one game, rather than stop playing all of them.

But no, throw away four years of great story, engaging characters, pulse pounding action and tear jerking drama over ten dollars. I'm sure EA will feel the pain when Mass Effect loses that ten dollars while they rake over tens of billions for their other titles that you already preordered from Gamestop.

If you're going to take a stand, actually stand up and not raise one hand in the air from your couch.

Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

[KBomb]

[quote]ZX12r Ninja wrote...

*snip*[/quote]

Those links just confirmed everything I stated. Lol

You said:


[quote]You asked: Did they include it in CE for free while SE has to pay.[/quote]
My question was not as you stated above. My question was:
[quote]


[quote]Didn't Casey Hudson himself state the DLC comes free with the CE? [/quote][/quote]You said:


[quote]I said: No, don't be silly why do you assume this?[/quote]
When what you originally asked me was this: [quote]


[quote]C'mon don't be silly. There's no way they're giving it away to CE buyers and you know it. [/quote][/quote]You stated that I said:


[quote]you said: The cynic in me sais so.[/quote]What I actually said: [quote]



[quote]I wasn't being silly. It's a legitimate question. Also, I don't believe much of what any company tells me. It's the consumer cynic in me.[/quote][/quote]My question as to whether Casey Hudson said it or not was legitimate. I said you either believe what Bioware says or you don't. Which is why I said the consumer cynic in me doesn't allow me to believe much of what any company said.
Finally, you said:


[quote]I said: If you're a cynic then why do you think they're padding CE while screwing SE?[/quote]
What you actually said was: [quote]
If you're such a cynic then why do you assume they're going to make a divide between CE and SE buyers.[/quote]
To which I replied: [quote]


 But I never said I believed such. You're making an argument based on what you believe me to have said instead of what I actually said. I said that the cynic in me usually doesn't give me the liberty to believe most statements released by any company.[/quote]


These are all actual quotes. It only shows how you take what I said and twist it into what you want to believe I said.

Edited for wow formatting.

Modifié par KBomb, 25 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[BaronIveagh]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why stop at Mass Effect? You all know this is EA's doing. Just boycott EA entirely. That means skipping out on the new Sims expansion, Madden, SSX, Battlefield, Need For Speed, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge etc.

Oh wait, that would mean you wouldn't be playing a lot of new games. Some of which you people love too much to let go. It's a lot easier to take a stand when it's the easiest path. Stop playing one game, rather than stop playing all of them.

Since I intend to buy none of those games, that's easy.  DA and ME were pretty much the last bioware properties I was figuring on buying, and I already cancelled my ToR subscription.

[jpzgoku]

jpzgoku wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why stop at Mass Effect? You all know this is EA's doing. Just boycott EA entirely. That means skipping out on the new Sims expansion, Madden, SSX, Battlefield, Need For Speed, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge etc.

Oh wait, that would mean you wouldn't be playing a lot of new games. Some of which you people love too much to let go. It's a lot easier to take a stand when it's the easiest path. Stop playing one game, rather than stop playing all of them.

But no, throw away four years of great story, engaging characters, pulse pounding action and tear jerking drama over ten dollars. I'm sure EA will feel the pain when Mass Effect loses that ten dollars while they rake over tens of billions for their other titles that you already preordered from Gamestop.

If you're going to take a stand, actually stand up and not raise one hand in the air from your couch.

Thats what i have been doing since DA2

Haven't missed out,  there are a lot of games out there. Voting with my wallet is the consumers only course of action. I won't buy games that use online passes also 

[ZX12r Ninja]

KBomb wrote...

Those links just confirmed everything I stated. Lol

Sure if you like to think that, go ahead. The links are there for everybody to read. If you meant something else then you should've chosen your words more carefully as it's impossible for me to read your mind over the internet. I repliad to what you wrote litterally and those are the answers you are going to get.

When taken in pure sense yes he used the word: "free" but this does not mean free as in beer.

And please stop taking up screen real estate with nonsense makeup.

[ArkkAngel007]

MACharlie1 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The level, model, etc was worked on separately from the rest of the game.

Yep. Which is why Kasumi was completely unusable for months and months after the game released.  The best you could do was get her to appear during the endgame convos, and it was just a placeholder.

I'll be honest; I'm having a hard time believing this...we know for a fact that at one point both the Prothean and Eden Prime were slated to be in the game as prominent and important locations based on the early draft from the leak. 

That was a completely different draft done during pre-development, where the concept was dropped, among many others.  The only thing that really was retained between the two are basic cliff notes like Earth, Mars, secret weapon, Citadel, Palavin, Sur'Kesh, etc.  The actual plot details were completely changed.  The level was completely different, and it was even a different Prothean.

Javik himself was created during production, as was everything else, as DLC.  Heck, outside of VO lines, he isn't even in the script.  The only thing the same about the mission is that you meet a Prothean and it takes place on Eden Prime. 

I do believe the script files include Kasumi in the retail copy of ME2 as well, but it's been years, so don't hold me to that.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 05:13 .

[didymos1120]

MACharlie1 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The level, model, etc was worked on separately from the rest of the game.

Yep. Which is why Kasumi was completely unusable for months and months after the game released.  The best you could do was get her to appear during the endgame convos, and it was just a placeholder.

I'll be honest; I'm having a hard time believing this...we know for a fact that at one point both the Prothean and Eden Prime were slated to be in the game as prominent and important locations based on the early draft from the leak. 

So they rescheduled him.  I mean, there's leftover draft material for Kasumi in the main TLK file. 

[ArkkAngel007]

didymos1120 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

 The level, model, etc was worked on separately from the rest of the game.

Yep. Which is why Kasumi was completely unusable for months and months after the game released.  The best you could do was get her to appear during the endgame convos, and it was just a placeholder.

I'll be honest; I'm having a hard time believing this...we know for a fact that at one point both the Prothean and Eden Prime were slated to be in the game as prominent and important locations based on the early draft from the leak. 

So they rescheduled him.  I mean, there's leftover draft material for Kasumi in the main TLK file. 

Thanks for confirming they were in there Didy.  I thought I saw them in there.

[Monochrome Wench]

Just look at the first Unused Text link in his sig for the info about what the Kasumi stuff was
http://social.biowar.../index/8200010/

[KBomb]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Sure if you like to think that, go ahead. The links are there for everybody to read. If you meant something else then you should've chosen your words more carefully as it's impossible for me to read your mind over the internet. I repliad to what you wrote litterally and those are the answers you are going to get.

When taken in pure sense yes he used the word: "free" but this does not mean free as in beer.

And please stop taking up screen real estate with nonsense makeup.

 
What I stated is indeed there for everyone to read. However, I am not directing that post to anyone but you. You exaggerate and build strawman arguments on them. I showed you what I said literally in the post and I also showed what you said literally in the post. Don't get mad because you got caught being “generous” with your wording. If you want to debate, then you have to do so on statements that were actually said.

And please stop taking up screen real estate with nonsense makeup.

No need to be insulting because you were proven wrong. It doesn't become you.

[ArkkAngel007]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Just look at the first Unused Text link in his sig for the info about what the Kasumi stuff was
http://social.biowar.../index/8200010/

Wow, I completely forgot about that thread.  Subscribed for future reference so I don't have to dig through the files myself.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

Yeah but the reason the DLC policy is the problem is precisely the reason a boycott limited to the DLC wouldn't work.  
If you believe the DLC is cut content, then every dollar they make on DLC is bonus.  If you still buy the game, Bioware is still getting $60 from you, they're just not getting a $10 bonus.  Well they were never entitled to that bonus in the first place!  

In other words, if every gamer on earth boycotted the DLC it wouldn't make any difference to Bioware because it didn't cost them anything to begin with.

If you're going to hit them, you have to hit them where it hurts.  Refusing to buy their DLC isn't taking money out of their pockets, refusing to buy their game entirely is.

[jpzgoku]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

I think most of us that are upset didn't ever think to preorder the game, so we didn't know about this until news broke out on gaming websites.

[GuyIncognito21]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

It's too bad Bioware wasn't more forthcoming months ago about what they were up to.  We shouldn't have their surreptitious conduct held against us.

[KBomb]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

CH says 'Free' must be absolute truth
CH says 'developed after main game finished' must be a lie

 
Well, if you choose to believe what Casey Hudson says is true, then him stating “the DLC was developed after the main game was finished” must indeed be seen as the truth. If so, then you must also believe him if he says the DLC comes free with purchase of CE.


If you believe he is being untruthful about the DLC being free with purchase of CE, then you must also concede that he could be lying about when the DLC was finished.




Btw, I never said he was lying on either front.

[jpzgoku]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

Yeah but the reason the DLC policy is the problem is precisely the reason a boycott limited to the DLC wouldn't work.  
If you believe the DLC is cut content, then every dollar they make on DLC is bonus.  If you still buy the game, Bioware is still getting $60 from you, they're just not getting a $10 bonus.  Well they were never entitled to that bonus in the first place!  

In other words, if every gamer on earth boycotted the DLC it wouldn't make any difference to Bioware because it didn't cost them anything to begin with.

If you're going to hit them, you have to hit them where it hurts.  Refusing to buy their DLC isn't taking money out of their pockets, refusing to buy their game entirely is.

You are correct and I agree.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

jpzgoku wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

I think most of us that are upset didn't ever think to preorder the game, so we didn't know about this until news broke out on gaming websites.

People have had plenty of time to get their priorties straight.

[RDSFirebane]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

People have had plenty of time to get their priorties straight.

^ this.

[jpzgoku]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

I think most of us that are upset didn't ever think to preorder the game, so we didn't know about this until news broke out on gaming websites.

People have had plenty of time to get their priorties straight.

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

Modifié par jpzgoku, 25 février 2012 - 05:26 .

[_symphony]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

What's wrong? tired?

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

Yeah but the reason the DLC policy is the problem is precisely the reason a boycott limited to the DLC wouldn't work.  
If you believe the DLC is cut content, then every dollar they make on DLC is bonus.  If you still buy the game, Bioware is still getting $60 from you, they're just not getting a $10 bonus.  Well they were never entitled to that bonus in the first place!  

In other words, if every gamer on earth boycotted the DLC it wouldn't make any difference to Bioware because it didn't cost them anything to begin with.

If you're going to hit them, you have to hit them where it hurts.  Refusing to buy their DLC isn't taking money out of their pockets, refusing to buy their game entirely is.

Why hurt BioWare when they aren't the ones setting the price or DRM though?  Not buying the game doesn't indicate anything.  Not buying the DLC takes money away from Microsoft, Sony, and EA who are all at least partially responsible for the cost, though EA is the main problem.  Not buying the DLC focuses the damage to where it demonstrates the problem.

Those who are on PC and against Origin should boycott the game though, as it demonstrates that they won't use a legally-questionable and technically-flawed DRM that is over-restrictive and dentrimental to the overall consumer experience.

[SpectreSaren]

Has this been posted in here yet?

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why stop at Mass Effect? You all know this is EA's doing. Just boycott EA entirely. That means skipping out on the new Sims expansion, Madden, SSX, Battlefield, Need For Speed, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge etc.

Oh wait, that would mean you wouldn't be playing a lot of new games. Some of which you people love too much to let go. It's a lot easier to take a stand when it's the easiest path. Stop playing one game, rather than stop playing all of them.

But no, throw away four years of great story, engaging characters, pulse pounding action and tear jerking drama over ten dollars. I'm sure EA will feel the pain when Mass Effect loses that ten dollars while they rake over tens of billions for their other titles that you already preordered from Gamestop.

If you're going to take a stand, actually stand up and not raise one hand in the air from your couch.

Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

 

Not when I pick  them up from the used bin ... Especially something Like Deep Space, Mirrors Edge, SSX ,

Battlefield.... well I might fall on that gernade... but will let out a nice  long  **** you when I do. 

but a smart man said on time.. "Ya gotta know to be hypocrite."  

Work at Gamestop long enough and you well learn to HATE ... and I mean HATE with a fire of 1 million exploding suns... Madden and what makes it even is that I am die hard football fan.

[_symphony]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Not to mention that the game's themselves are fine (Ok DAII, you're getting the red card).  It's the DLC and DRM policies that are the problem.

Yeah but the reason the DLC policy is the problem is precisely the reason a boycott limited to the DLC wouldn't work.  
If you believe the DLC is cut content, then every dollar they make on DLC is bonus.  If you still buy the game, Bioware is still getting $60 from you, they're just not getting a $10 bonus.  Well they were never entitled to that bonus in the first place!  

In other words, if every gamer on earth boycotted the DLC it wouldn't make any difference to Bioware because it didn't cost them anything to begin with.

If you're going to hit them, you have to hit them where it hurts.  Refusing to buy their DLC isn't taking money out of their pockets, refusing to buy their game entirely is.

Frankly, I don't believe the DLC is cut content from the main game.

Modifié par _symphony, 25 février 2012 - 05:30 .