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[SaenoftheDead]

just a quick question if the "From Ashes" DLC was made free would everyone be happy?

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Change BioWare to EA and I would have been on board.

At this point is there any reason at all to distinguish between the two?  When EA bought Bioware, Bioware became EA.

[WeWant]

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

I don't understand if you didn't care enough to pre order and get it when it came out your were going to to what? wait for it to drop in price or buy it used? well I'm sorry but if you plan on buying it used then you really cant complain about paying 10 bucks for the Prothy DLC as BioWare sees no money from the used sale thats been an issue for sometime now.. so they catch it ya on the DLC.

You are not making sense. 
People (me included) don't preorder the CE for any game because we just want the gaming experience, not all the consmumerism around it involving pretty costumes and useless stuff. 
If I pay $60 for a game, I expect it to have the entire gaming experience that has been developped by the team so far. It's common sense.

[RDSFirebane]

jpzgoku wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

I don't understand if you didn't care enough to pre order and get it when it came out your were going to to what? *snip*

I don't understand when pre-ordering became madatory. *snip*

It's not the DLC isnt either no one forces you to do either.  Would everyone still be causeing a fuss if it was Conrad Vener as a squadmate with informtaion about the pro.?

[GuyIncognito21]

jreezy wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
"I'm boycotting your game, Bioware.  Look what you've made me do."

It's hard to take someone seriously with lines like that.

Well it's meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek, but the points are valid setting the hyperbole aside.

[ArkkAngel007]

KBomb wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I don't know why the other extras seem to be constantly ignored.

 Me either. I think they're pretty great. I wanted it for the case, soundtrack and N7 Hoodie for my Shep. The Artbook didn't hurt either since I couldn't really stretch my budget to get the big one.

Because who cares about extra weapons, skins, and a robot dog when a shiny Prothean is dangled in front of them?

No one has really said anything about the mission on Eden Prime, the extra weapon, or the skins either in "From Ashes".  It's all about the Prothean.

[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

SpectreSaren wrote...

Has this been posted in here yet?

That is too perfect.

"Yeah, there's a Mass in Mass Effect.  It's a cancerous mass on the side of gaming, it's called Bioware."

"They said the game was $60, that's a lie.  The game is $70 ******* dollars."

"Now I have to go find a collector's edition, so I can get all the plastic **** and hang it on my wall like a badge of shame."

"I'm boycotting your game, Bioware.  Look what you've made me do."

 

Oh, hey. Francis making a legitamate video. Notice how he's mocking you in the video you posted.

Modifié par CommanderCoffee, 25 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[jpzgoku]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

I think most of us that are upset didn't ever think to preorder the game, so we didn't know about this until news broke out on gaming websites.

People have had plenty of time to get their priorties straight.

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

If you checked on in months ago and decided you didn't want to pre-order what is screaming bloody murder less then 2 weeks before the games release going to do? Absolutely nothing.

Why would I check up on the game months prior to the release? that makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't i wait to see if I want to buy the game when it is coming out?

Im trying to get poeple to see how crooked these practices are. We, the consumers, are just as much at fault as the companies to do Day 1 DLC and what not. If we let them get away with it the we are the ones to blame when these practies become the norm. I don't want games to be fragmented at launch so that the actually costs more than $60 for the full package. I want people to not buy the game for the sake of consumer rights.

[RDSFirebane]

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

I don't understand if you didn't care enough to pre order and get it when it came out your were going to to what? wait for it to drop in price or buy it used? well I'm sorry but if you plan on buying it used then you really cant complain about paying 10 bucks for the Prothy DLC as BioWare sees no money from the used sale thats been an issue for sometime now.. so they catch it ya on the DLC.

You are not making sense. 
People (me included) don't preorder the CE for any game because we just want the gaming experience, not all the consmumerism around it involving pretty costumes and useless stuff. 
If I pay $60 for a game, I expect it to have the entire gaming experience that has been developped by the team so far. It's common sense.

Where did I say CE? and they have said you get the complete expereince with out the DLC the game isnt going to lock up and say sorry need DLC to continue.... so ya.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

sean1804 wrote...

just a quick question if the "From Ashes" DLC was made free would everyone be happy?

Lol some people you can't make happy. They'd complain about being bothered to download it.

[GuyIncognito21]

sean1804 wrote...

just a quick question if the "From Ashes" DLC was made free would everyone be happy?

Of course.  I think that's the entire issue.  People should not have to pay for this kind of core content that is ready to go when the game launches.

It would also be acceptable if this content wasn't about the protheans, and was about some random human or turian or something instead.

It would also be acceptable if the content didn't exist at all (taking people at their word that it's not all that important to the main thrust of the game).

There are/were any number of ways for Bioware/EA to handle this in a way that was acceptable to most everyone.  

[Monochrome Wench]

sean1804 wrote...

just a quick question if the "From Ashes" DLC was made free would everyone be happy?

Nope, some people would have issues if the DLC was a major reason they are purchasing the CE and it was decided to give the DLC to everyone for free.

[GuyIncognito21]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Nice job falling for a skit.

Yeah, I'm well aware of his work, but it's not satire.  All the demonstration and rage is manufactured, but his arguments are his arguments.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 25 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

It's to bad you all are complaining at the last second. If only you had protested months ago. Damn. That would of saved us 340 pages of nothing but circle-jerking. In the words of Admiral Hackett "You're preaching to the choir."

I think most of us that are upset didn't ever think to preorder the game, so we didn't know about this until news broke out on gaming websites.

People have had plenty of time to get their priorties straight.

Some people don't preorder.  Some like to wait for the general reception of the game (who can blame them after games like DAII and Too Human?) before they spend $60+ on a game.  

It also wasn't advertised as a Prothean.  Briefly it was leaked a long while back, but not everyone spends every waking hour online for news on a game they may or may not want to purchase.  While he isn't important in the game, the general consensus is that he is very important to the fans, and Casey stated that would be the case, hence why they chose to use him as DLC instead of leaving him in concept graveyard.  

Now that people know who he is now in that DLC, they want him like any other fan would.  But now we're being asked to shell out an extra $10 on the same day many were planning on buying a $60 game.  People didn't buy the CE in the first place because quite a few can't really afford it (some are probably making a questionable choice financially in getting the SE alone), but now something they want and are used to being free is suddenly an additional $10 that they really don't have lying around to waste on DLC.  

The fact that we only just received an official announcement this late, after CEs were bought up and so close to release, doesn't help the latter reasoning at all.

That's the issue on that side of the fence, and it isn't something to scoff at.  People want to enjoy the game, but feel as if they are getting slighted with what is a questionable practice.

Good points

[GuyIncognito21]

jreezy wrote...

I don't know why the other extras seem to be constantly ignored.

Well I ignore them A) because I don't care about them, and because those are perfectly acceptable pieces of content for a CE.  

[ArkkAngel007]

sean1804 wrote...

just a quick question if the "From Ashes" DLC was made free would everyone be happy?

Obviously most would be, though I'm sure some would still complain.  CE owners such as myself probably might be a bit upset that the dollar value of the product we paid in understanding in that was what we were paying for is suddenly lower then that, but we do get a lot of stuff still, some more than others depending on where we pre-ordered.

Even if this was released a few months down the road for free though, having never been part of the CE, someone still would have complained it not being in the game because it's a bloody Prothean.

[GuyIncognito21]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Nope, some people would have issues if the DLC was a major reason they are purchasing the CE and it was decided to give the DLC to everyone for free.

Considering the fact that people who ordered the CE just for the DLC would have two weeks to cancel their CE orders and order the SE instead, I don't think that's much of an argument.

They'd be getting $20 (or 20 pounds) back and getting all the content they wanted in the first place.

[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Nice job falling for a skit.

Yeah, I'm well aware of his work, but it's not satire.  All the demonstration and rage is manufactured, but his arguments are his arguments.

Are you really that thick, that you can't accept the fact that you took a piece of satire literally and now are trying to say, "No, he really meant that" when that's a piece of comedy? 

[jpzgoku]

jreezy wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

SpectreSaren wrote...

Has this been posted in here yet?

Yes that was a great video. He made great points and did not get tricked into Bioware's ploy. The full game costs $70.

Price tags say otherwise.

Then they succeded completley into tricking you. It is $60 for most of the game, minus a squadmate and some misssions. It is $60+$10= $70 for the entire game with all the squadmates and missions.

[GuyIncognito21]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Are you really that thick, that you can't accept the fact that you took a piece of satire literally and now are trying to say, "No, he really meant that" when that's a piece of comedy? 

You can insult me all you like.  

Just because it's comedy doesn't mean there's not real logic underneath it.  The Onion is comedy, that doesn't mean they don't have important points to make.  Same for the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, or South Park.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 25 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[jpzgoku]

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

I don't understand if you didn't care enough to pre order and get it when it came out your were going to to what? wait for it to drop in price or buy it used? well I'm sorry but if you plan on buying it used then you really cant complain about paying 10 bucks for the Prothy DLC as BioWare sees no money from the used sale thats been an issue for sometime now.. so they catch it ya on the DLC.

You are not making sense. 
People (me included) don't preorder the CE for any game because we just want the gaming experience, not all the consmumerism around it involving pretty costumes and useless stuff. 
If I pay $60 for a game, I expect it to have the entire gaming experience that has been developped by the team so far. It's common sense.

YES

[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Are you really that thick, that you can't accept the fact that you took a piece of satire literally and now are trying to say, "No, he really meant that" when that's a piece of comedy? 

You can insult me all you like.  

Just because it's comedy doesn't mean there's not real logic underneath it.  The Onion is comedy, that doesn't mean they don't have important points to make.  Same for the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, or South Park.

Okay, I get it. You're not a real person. You take jokes as reality, therefore we must breathe Carbon Dioxide, Up must be Down, and the Sun is a black hole. FTGE

[WeWant]

RDSFirebane wrote...

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

What priorities? To check up on a game months ahead of time that I was no way interesed enough in to preorder? I don't understand.

I don't understand if you didn't care enough to pre order and get it when it came out your were going to to what? wait for it to drop in price or buy it used? well I'm sorry but if you plan on buying it used then you really cant complain about paying 10 bucks for the Prothy DLC as BioWare sees no money from the used sale thats been an issue for sometime now.. so they catch it ya on the DLC.

You are not making sense. 
People (me included) don't preorder the CE for any game because we just want the gaming experience, not all the consmumerism around it involving pretty costumes and useless stuff. 
If I pay $60 for a game, I expect it to have the entire gaming experience that has been developped by the team so far. It's common sense.

Where did I say CE? and they have said you get the complete expereince with out the DLC the game isnt going to lock up and say sorry need DLC to continue.... so ya.

I know, that's why I said "content that has been developped so far."  There is no clear definition of when a game is complete or not. I'f you are a developer and you care about perfectioning your game, what should matter to you is putting as much content as possible in order to enhance it, instead of just filling some DLC quota prerequisited by EA.