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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

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From Ashes is N7 CE content, the end. Be VERY grateful that you are allowed the opportunity to obtain it without the CE. The content is NOT cut from the game since it very much IS part of the game included in the box with CEs so I really see no point to all this complaining. I cannot imagine how anyone that cares about the complete ME3 experience would not buy the CE....but even if you do it's too little too late....you should have thought about that months ago when the CE was still up for sale. But no, you decided you did NOT care about having the complete ME3 experience and that missing on the CE was acceptable so now the knowledge of what you missed stings you bad....good, that's how it should be. I would feel VERY miserable if I had missed on the CE but I would NOT blame anyone other than myself. You are not entitled to anything but the bare bones game in the regular edition and the ability to buy the CE is a privilege only truly afforded to the true fans that follow the game long before release and bother to preorder months ahead. You had the opportunity to have the complete game experience and you passed it so now it's time to forever hold your peace. I cannot fathom why you would not be grateful for being granted the opportunity to have at least a piece of the CE content....of course it's not going to be free but by all rights it should never be on sale since it IS N7 CE content and then you would be begging for the opportunity to buy it separately.


^This , they could have never planned to release it outside CE's.But they did think rationally about and decided not to leave non-CE's out in the cold.That's got to count for something. 

But how would they milk more money out of their fans if they didnt sell it to everyone

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

From Ashes is N7 CE content, the end. Be VERY grateful that you are allowed the opportunity to obtain it without the CE. The content is NOT cut from the game since it very much IS part of the game included in the box with CEs so I really see no point to all this complaining. I cannot imagine how anyone that cares about the complete ME3 experience would not buy the CE....but even if you do it's too little too late....you should have thought about that months ago when the CE was still up for sale. But no, you decided you did NOT care about having the complete ME3 experience and that missing on the CE was acceptable so now the knowledge of what you missed stings you bad....good, that's how it should be. I would feel VERY miserable if I had missed on the CE but I would NOT blame anyone other than myself. You are not entitled to anything but the bare bones game in the regular edition and the ability to buy the CE is a privilege only truly afforded to the true fans that follow the game long before release and bother to preorder months ahead. You had the opportunity to have the complete game experience and you passed it so now it's time to forever hold your peace. I cannot fathom why you would not be grateful for being granted the opportunity to have at least a piece of the CE content....of course it's not going to be free but by all rights it should never be on sale since it IS N7 CE content and then you would be begging for the opportunity to buy it separately.


^This , they could have never planned to release it outside CE's.But they did think rationally about and decided not to leave non-CE's out in the cold.That's got to count for something. 

 

So ... I should be begging... Bioware... to take my money and feel grateful that Bioware was sooo kind to want to take my money...

:lol:  




Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.

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I would laugh if the DLC stayed CE.

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jpzgoku wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?


Thats what it will come to if the consumer allows it to go so far.


But it won't.You micro-transction an mmo , iyou can't do the same thing with any other regular game.Develpers push their luck , but even they aren't stupid enough to do this.A few might buy the games , but the vast majority would abandon games for older titles/indie games.


Lets hope so. But the next step, of cutting content and making it available only to people who buy collectors editions or who dish out an extra $10 along with their $60 purchase, looks like it might succeed and become a norm. First too the very popular games. Then that will become so normal that most other games adopt this practice. Lets hope we don't allow that to happen.

Plus companies like Ubisoft who require you to play online at all time for some of their games to work could very well adopt microtransactions policies if they put it out there and if we don't resist it.


Ubisoft wants to pull PC support. It did for a while for Ghost Recon Future Soldier. Then it was reinstated. But Ubidsoft wants to stop PC piracy completely by eliminating PC as a platform.

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WeWant wrote...

What's that supposed to change? I told you, I don't care about the CE, I care about the game only. 
Why should I (the "average" consumer) should deal with the consequences of the fact that they didn't have any better incentive for the "long term fan" to get the CE other than an exclusive character and content?
Not my problem man.


O yes yes it is it could have just as easily been CE content that stayed CE only so instead of being on the forms voiceing you opnion about paying 10 dollars for it you could be on here voiceing your opnion about never getting it.... you should just be thankful for being given the option instead of them makeing it for you.

other point was I was trying to see if they had ever did DLC with a CE to show that things change nothing stays the same forever....

lol congrats to Darth_T he beat me to this post :happy:

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_symphony wrote...

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I know, that's why I said "content that has been developped so far."  There is no clear definition of when a game is complete or not. I'f you are a developer and you care about perfectioning your game, what should matter to you is putting as much content as possible in order to enhance it, instead of just filling some DLC quota prerequisited by EA.

No, a good developer doesn't put as much content as possible, if that's the case then you will get a game with a Duke Nukem Forever development cycle.

At some point you have to stop, make a "feature freeze", and you don't make any significant changes in the game content, none, you only tweak things and make everything work. Then you get into the "code freeze" stage, at that point you don't change anything unless is bug fixing. These stages can take a lot of time depending of the complexity of the software.

If you don't follow stages like those during the development of any software, you get something that's imposible to debug and maintain.  You will miss deadlines or release a software full of bugs.



Well, that content, was relevant enough to be ready for the CE and charge the others for it. So that doesn't look like "junk" stuff to me.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

If you have play Catherine  add that to you list... I have feeling you might enjoy it...

Yes, I've heard... interesting things about that game.

Sad  I have to agree with you on this but I have too .. hate to see you go though.  One of the few voices of reason.

Assuming ME3 forces me to leave.  Here's hoping it won't.  And if it does?  Hey, I'll find a new internet hangout.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?

For me?  Later.  When the inevitable happens, I'll have a good stockpile of old games I can play again and again until the industry straightens itself out.

ME3 is probably going to be the last new game I buy for a very long time, anyway.  There's a seriously long list of older stuff I never got into.  Like, seriously.  You wouldn't believe the stuff I haven't played yet.

If ME3 really is the game that crosses the line, I'll probably make just one post explaining why, then quit the fandom.  No point in wallowing in my grief.


Agreed.  I know I won't be able to financially support my gaming habit after this game for quite some time, due to research, school debt, and unavoidable medical costs (well, avoidable if I want to kick the bucket instead of live), and I maybe bought 2 games last year, one at the beginning and one I bought for my brother.  So really, I could only treat myself to one game.  

And that's fine.  That's not my life.  My life is my research and loved ones.  If I have to put my foot down on what this industry does when I can no longer work around it by not buying DLC and not supporting DRM enabled games, then I will have no trouble doing so.

But I'm not going to freak out in the meantime and overexaggerate my actions.  I will deal with the issue with a clear mind in a logical and tactful manner, and do my part in hopefully derailing the direction the issue is going towards.  Whether or not I succeed is inconsequential; I did my part.

And the beauty of games are, just like other entertainment, is that I don't need them in my life.  I choose for them to be there, and I choose to pay for someones well being in exchange for that service.  But it's not a biological or societal necessity, and I can choose to end that exchange whenever I feel that the time is necessary to do so.

In the meantime though, I'm going to have a good time with Mass Effect 3 while it lasts for me, until something comes along to change that good time.

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GuyIncognito21 wrote...
My definition of "cut" is:

A) this content is complete before launch; and

B) this content is important enough that it would be in the game even if they could only charge $60 for the whole package."

If both those prongs are met, then to me it becomes "cut content." 


I'm a little confused by point B. How can any DLC pass that test? The From Ashes content won't be in the game for a large majority of players. How can it be important enough for point B.

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jpzgoku wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?


Thats what it will come to if the consumer allows it to go so far.


But it won't.You micro-transction an mmo , iyou can't do the same thing with any other regular game.Develpers push their luck , but even they aren't stupid enough to do this.A few might buy the games , but the vast majority would abandon games for older titles/indie games.


Lets hope so. But the next step, of cutting content and making it available only to people who buy collectors editions or who dish out an extra $10 along with their $60 purchase, looks like it might succeed and become a norm. First too the very popular games. Then that will become so normal that most other games adopt this practice. Lets hope we don't allow that to happen.

Plus companies like Ubisoft who require you to play online at all time for some of their games to work could very well adopt microtransactions policies if they put it out there and if we don't resist it.


They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

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Darth_Trethon wrote...

Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.


Well the obvious problem there is it's basically a big billboard that says "pirate our game," and companies need to be wary of that these days.

What should happen IMO is that 'From Ashes' should be made free to everyone who buys the game new (or preorders, whatever).

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

I don't understand who's not happy with that setup, aside from the marketing suits who were trying to leverage their company's reputation for a quick buck.

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RDSFirebane wrote...

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How many of thouse games u just listed had CE that had DLC as part of them? No really I don't know.



Jade Empire had a CE with exclusive characters in it for the player to choose during creation/selection.


Did they ever sell thouse to the SE guys?


No, it remained exclusive. I'm curious as what to peoples reaction to that was (I paid the extra and got the CE).

I've just remembered, it also had, I believe, a couple of exclusive combat styles and weapons.

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AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
My definition of "cut" is:

A) this content is complete before launch; and

B) this content is important enough that it would be in the game even if they could only charge $60 for the whole package."

If both those prongs are met, then to me it becomes "cut content." 


I'm a little confused by point B. How can any DLC pass that test? The From Ashes content won't be in the game for a large majority of players. How can it be important enough for point B.


Maybe I didn't articulate it properly.  What I mean is simply "in a world where Bioware was forced to sell one version of the game, and for $60, would this content be in the game or not?"

If the answer is yes, then it's cut content IMO.  If the answer is no, then it's legit DLC and the shady timing is just coincidence.

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Darth_Trethon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

From Ashes is N7 CE content, the end. Be VERY grateful that you are allowed the opportunity to obtain it without the CE. The content is NOT cut from the game since it very much IS part of the game included in the box with CEs so I really see no point to all this complaining. I cannot imagine how anyone that cares about the complete ME3 experience would not buy the CE....but even if you do it's too little too late....you should have thought about that months ago when the CE was still up for sale. But no, you decided you did NOT care about having the complete ME3 experience and that missing on the CE was acceptable so now the knowledge of what you missed stings you bad....good, that's how it should be. I would feel VERY miserable if I had missed on the CE but I would NOT blame anyone other than myself. You are not entitled to anything but the bare bones game in the regular edition and the ability to buy the CE is a privilege only truly afforded to the true fans that follow the game long before release and bother to preorder months ahead. You had the opportunity to have the complete game experience and you passed it so now it's time to forever hold your peace. I cannot fathom why you would not be grateful for being granted the opportunity to have at least a piece of the CE content....of course it's not going to be free but by all rights it should never be on sale since it IS N7 CE content and then you would be begging for the opportunity to buy it separately.


^This , they could have never planned to release it outside CE's.But they did think rationally about and decided not to leave non-CE's out in the cold.That's got to count for something. 

 

So ... I should be begging... Bioware... to take my money and feel grateful that Bioware was sooo kind to want to take my money...

:lol:  




Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.

Yes even though they stated it was free only half the buying costumers should get it makes sense.Then if its not free and the ce buyers are getting it because they paid more just means they flat out lied to there fans about it being free in the first place.

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GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.


Well the obvious problem there is it's basically a big billboard that says "pirate our game," and companies need to be wary of that these days.

What should happen IMO is that 'From Ashes' should be made free to everyone who buys the game new (or preorders, whatever).

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

I don't understand who's not happy with that setup, aside from the marketing suits who were trying to leverage their company's reputation for a quick buck.


I/Others would support this as a CE buyer/buyers , I just don't think they would do it.

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CommanderCoffee wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?


Thats what it will come to if the consumer allows it to go so far.


But it won't.You micro-transction an mmo , iyou can't do the same thing with any other regular game.Develpers push their luck , but even they aren't stupid enough to do this.A few might buy the games , but the vast majority would abandon games for older titles/indie games.


Lets hope so. But the next step, of cutting content and making it available only to people who buy collectors editions or who dish out an extra $10 along with their $60 purchase, looks like it might succeed and become a norm. First too the very popular games. Then that will become so normal that most other games adopt this practice. Lets hope we don't allow that to happen.

Plus companies like Ubisoft who require you to play online at all time for some of their games to work could very well adopt microtransactions policies if they put it out there and if we don't resist it.


Ubisoft wants to pull PC support. It did for a while for Ghost Recon Future Soldier. Then it was reinstated. But Ubidsoft wants to stop PC piracy completely by eliminating PC as a platform.


Except you can pirate console games too...Ubisoft, y u no make sense?  Must be the accents rubbing off.  Then again, they can pull out in doing gaming entirely, thus leaving us with no more Raving Rabbids games or w/e they're called.  Talk about milking money off a franchise..

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Darth_Trethon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

From Ashes is N7 CE content, the end. Be VERY grateful that you are allowed the opportunity to obtain it without the CE. The content is NOT cut from the game since it very much IS part of the game included in the box with CEs so I really see no point to all this complaining. I cannot imagine how anyone that cares about the complete ME3 experience would not buy the CE....but even if you do it's too little too late....you should have thought about that months ago when the CE was still up for sale. But no, you decided you did NOT care about having the complete ME3 experience and that missing on the CE was acceptable so now the knowledge of what you missed stings you bad....good, that's how it should be. I would feel VERY miserable if I had missed on the CE but I would NOT blame anyone other than myself. You are not entitled to anything but the bare bones game in the regular edition and the ability to buy the CE is a privilege only truly afforded to the true fans that follow the game long before release and bother to preorder months ahead. You had the opportunity to have the complete game experience and you passed it so now it's time to forever hold your peace. I cannot fathom why you would not be grateful for being granted the opportunity to have at least a piece of the CE content....of course it's not going to be free but by all rights it should never be on sale since it IS N7 CE content and then you would be begging for the opportunity to buy it separately.


^This , they could have never planned to release it outside CE's.But they did think rationally about and decided not to leave non-CE's out in the cold.That's got to count for something. 

 

So ... I should be begging... Bioware... to take my money and feel grateful that Bioware was sooo kind to want to take my money...

:lol:  




Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.

 

No it wouldn't  but Aight ... You  know what Bioware should have done... never offered  a  CE  exclusive  DLC character  they should have left his ass in stasis in pre-production when they were just working on the scirpt

There was too much  me gusta   and not enough no me gusta... 
 
They can keep em...  I won't pay  10 bucks from and I won't pay for anymore of the other collectables either..
Cause when I buy a Bioware game after  March 6 th all my money is going to Gamestop.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 06:46 .


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They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.


Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

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GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
My definition of "cut" is:

A) this content is complete before launch; and

B) this content is important enough that it would be in the game even if they could only charge $60 for the whole package."

If both those prongs are met, then to me it becomes "cut content." 


I'm a little confused by point B. How can any DLC pass that test? The From Ashes content won't be in the game for a large majority of players. How can it be important enough for point B.


Maybe I didn't articulate it properly.  What I mean is simply "in a world where Bioware was forced to sell one version of the game, and for $60, would this content be in the game or not?"

If the answer is yes, then it's cut content IMO.  If the answer is no, then it's legit DLC and the shady timing is just coincidence.


It's been stated as no by Jess, and I've demonstrated the same.

Still a crappy distribution choice though.

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I/Others would support this as a CE buyer/buyers , I just don't think they would do it.


I don't think they'll do it either, I just wanted to show that there IS an answer here that appeases all segments of the consumer base.

Sure it would cost Bioware a few bucks versus what they're doing now, but IMO the goodwill it would engender in the community would be worth far more in the long run.

I just can't stress enough that the reputation of a company is going to be the most important quality in the near future.  The easier it gets for people to get their hands on the product, the more it matters how much those people like the company who makes it.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.


Well the obvious problem there is it's basically a big billboard that says "pirate our game," and companies need to be wary of that these days.

What should happen IMO is that 'From Ashes' should be made free to everyone who buys the game new (or preorders, whatever).

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

I don't understand who's not happy with that setup, aside from the marketing suits who were trying to leverage their company's reputation for a quick buck.


I/Others would support this as a CE buyer/buyers , I just don't think they would do it.

See, this would be cool.  If they did it, I'd be floored.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.


Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China


The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

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GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.


Well the obvious problem there is it's basically a big billboard that says "pirate our game," and companies need to be wary of that these days.

What should happen IMO is that 'From Ashes' should be made free to everyone who buys the game new (or preorders, whatever).

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

I don't understand who's not happy with that setup, aside from the marketing suits who were trying to leverage their company's reputation for a quick buck.


You just won the prize.  Hands down. 

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Insaner Robot wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

How many of thouse games u just listed had CE that had DLC as part of them? No really I don't know.



Jade Empire had a CE with exclusive characters in it for the player to choose during creation/selection.


Did they ever sell thouse to the SE guys?


No, it remained exclusive. I'm curious as what to peoples reaction to that was (I paid the extra and got the CE).

I've just remembered, it also had, I believe, a couple of exclusive combat styles and weapons.


ya I think its nice they decided to share it this time. They in no way deserve all the hate and accusations they have had thrown at them.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

From Ashes is N7 CE content, the end. Be VERY grateful that you are allowed the opportunity to obtain it without the CE. The content is NOT cut from the game since it very much IS part of the game included in the box with CEs so I really see no point to all this complaining. I cannot imagine how anyone that cares about the complete ME3 experience would not buy the CE....but even if you do it's too little too late....you should have thought about that months ago when the CE was still up for sale. But no, you decided you did NOT care about having the complete ME3 experience and that missing on the CE was acceptable so now the knowledge of what you missed stings you bad....good, that's how it should be. I would feel VERY miserable if I had missed on the CE but I would NOT blame anyone other than myself. You are not entitled to anything but the bare bones game in the regular edition and the ability to buy the CE is a privilege only truly afforded to the true fans that follow the game long before release and bother to preorder months ahead. You had the opportunity to have the complete game experience and you passed it so now it's time to forever hold your peace. I cannot fathom why you would not be grateful for being granted the opportunity to have at least a piece of the CE content....of course it's not going to be free but by all rights it should never be on sale since it IS N7 CE content and then you would be begging for the opportunity to buy it separately.


^This , they could have never planned to release it outside CE's.But they did think rationally about and decided not to leave non-CE's out in the cold.That's got to count for something. 

 

So ... I should be begging... Bioware... to take my money and feel grateful that Bioware was sooo kind to want to take my money...

:lol:  




Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.

 

No it wouldn't  but Aight ... You  know what Bioware should have done... never offered  a  CE  exclusive  DLC character  they should have left his ass in stasis in pre-production when they were just working on the scirpt

There was too much  me gusta   and not enough no me gusta... 
 
They can keep em...  I won't pay  10 bucks from and I won't pay for anymore of the other collectables either..
Cause when I buy a Bioware game after  March 6 th all my money is going to Gamestop.





Have fun with your used copy , the game is still complete beginning to end without Prothean.B)