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[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
My definition of "cut" is:

A) this content is complete before launch; and

 this content is important enough that it would be in the game even if they could only charge $60 for the whole package."

If both those prongs are met, then to me it becomes "cut content." 

I'm a little confused by point B. How can any DLC pass that test? The From Ashes content won't be in the game for a large majority of players. How can it be important enough for point B.

Maybe I didn't articulate it properly.  What I mean is simply "in a world where Bioware was forced to sell one version of the game, and for $60, would this content be in the game or not?"

If the answer is yes, then it's cut content IMO.  If the answer is no, then it's legit DLC and the shady timing is just coincidence.

It's been stated as no by Jess, and I've demonstrated the same.

Still a crappy distribution choice though.

 

Crappy  Distribution  choice is the understatement of the year ... this was beyond crappy it was almost complety careless.

[ArkkAngel007]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

But not as bad as IGN 

But their CEO has been wanting a microtransaction system in COD for awhile now, and has stated that multiple times.  The question isn't if, but when, that will happen.

[Stealth3]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why stop at Mass Effect? You all know this is EA's doing. Just boycott EA entirely. That means skipping out on the new Sims expansion, Madden, SSX, Battlefield, Need For Speed, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge etc.

Oh wait, that would mean you wouldn't be playing a lot of new games. Some of which you people love too much to let go. It's a lot easier to take a stand when it's the easiest path. Stop playing one game, rather than stop playing all of them.

But no, throw away four years of great story, engaging characters, pulse pounding action and tear jerking drama over ten dollars. I'm sure EA will feel the pain when Mass Effect loses that ten dollars while they rake over tens of billions for their other titles that you already preordered from Gamestop.

If you're going to take a stand, actually stand up and not raise one hand in the air from your couch.

WTF dude.  Noody said anything about giving anything up.  Nobody said anything about not playing the game. 
Not giving EA/Bioware anything doesnt mean not finishing ME3 and get it over with.  Seriously, have you not heard of youtube?

[Yuoaman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Personally I would LOVE to see BioWare react to all these complaints by announcing that From Ashes is to remain a N7 CE exclussive forever. That would be just about fair and square. All the complaints about being sold cut content would be muted and people would start to appreciate the value of collector content.

Well the obvious problem there is it's basically a big billboard that says "pirate our game," and companies need to be wary of that these days.

What should happen IMO is that 'From Ashes' should be made free to everyone who buys the game new (or preorders, whatever).

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

I don't understand who's not happy with that setup, aside from the marketing suits who were trying to leverage their company's reputation for a quick buck.

Bioware would earn many points in my opinion were they to do something like this.

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

Direct from the Activision Quarterly earnings report in question:

"...robust investment in forthcoming Call of Duty titles, including a micro-transaction game for China..."

[Yuoaman]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

Your opinion, it may vary.

[Kevin Lozandier]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?

Exactly, and that's why I wish people wouldn't be so quick to accept the company line that "we had a separate team develop it, and we waited until the game was in certification," and whatever else.

If people accept that, then it will become SOP to take important content, pack it off to a "separate" team, and wait until the rest of the game is "finished" to put it together.

I don't think companies should be given the benefit of the doubt on that model, certainly not when the nefarious specter of EA is hovering over this process like a storm cloud. 

Given its use with the CE, this DLC is relatively speaking is well done. It definitely made the Collector's Edition worth it, and this being the last game of the series, it makes sense. To be simple, there is plenty of reasons that make sense development wise, story wise and  business-wise why this was a Collector's Item and game than most scenarios that have manifested in the industry for DLC. 

[CommanderCoffee]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

But not as bad as IGN 

But their CEO has been wanting a microtransaction system in COD for awhile now, and has stated that multiple times.  The question isn't if, but when, that will happen.

BOBBY KOTICK-OVICH! We need a special agent! Someone like Old Snake!

[jpzgoku]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?

Thats what it will come to if the consumer allows it to go so far.

But it won't.You micro-transction an mmo , iyou can't do the same thing with any other regular game.Develpers push their luck , but even they aren't stupid enough to do this.A few might buy the games , but the vast majority would abandon games for older titles/indie games.

Lets hope so. But the next step, of cutting content and making it available only to people who buy collectors editions or who dish out an extra $10 along with their $60 purchase, looks like it might succeed and become a norm. First too the very popular games. Then that will become so normal that most other games adopt this practice. Lets hope we don't allow that to happen.

Plus companies like Ubisoft who require you to play online at all time for some of their games to work could very well adopt microtransactions policies if they put it out there and if we don't resist it.

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

I think what Me3 is doing ($60 game plus $10 day one important DLC= $70) is a tricky way to hike the price up.
It is the first step, that I have noticed, in an effort to hike up the price.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

Call of Duty , I really haven't played on since MW1.If people are crazy enough to pay for elite and microtransactions , that's on them.I have no plans for any new titles of COD.

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

The escapist is a bad website. Slightly worse than Kotaku.

Direct from the Activision Quarterly earnings report in question:

"...robust investment in forthcoming Call of Duty titles, including a micro-transaction game for China..."

That does not mean it is not a bad website. Broken Clock principle. Although somehow escapist is only right once every 24 hours.

[caldo15]

Sure the real longtime mass effect fans bought the CE edition, that's why they're selling them on EBAY for $200!!! what a bunch of bull, my gamestop was soldout 2 months ago, the managers are buying them and selling them on ebay, now after all this publicity they're going to make a killing.

[WeWant]

RDSFirebane wrote...

WeWant wrote...

What's that supposed to change? I told you, I don't care about the CE, I care about the game only. 
Why should I (the "average" consumer) should deal with the consequences of the fact that they didn't have any better incentive for the "long term fan" to get the CE other than an exclusive character and content?
Not my problem man.

O yes yes it is it could have just as easily been CE content that stayed CE only so instead of being on the forms voiceing you opnion about paying 10 dollars for it you could be on here voiceing your opnion about never getting it.... you should just be thankful for being given the option instead of them makeing it for you.

other point was I was trying to see if they had ever did DLC with a CE to show that things change nothing stays the same forever....

lol congrats to Darth_T he beat me to this post :happy:

I think that's the point where I get mad at how short-sighted my interlocutor is.

So I should be..........thankful? For what exactly? For being giving the opportunity to pay more for something that was made during developing time, thus should have been into final product?  
Whauw, what a selfless decision, thanks Bioware!

Hell I wouldn've been thankfull even if it actually was in the final product, because I'll already pay $60.

Ah, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the DLC is CE content because Bioware/EA decided so, not just by virtue of it.. 
Just saying...

Modifié par WeWant, 25 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
Maybe I didn't articulate it properly.  What I mean is simply "in a world where Bioware was forced to sell one version of the game, and for $60, would this content be in the game or not?"

If the answer is yes, then it's cut content IMO.  If the answer is no, then it's legit DLC and the shady timing is just coincidence.

OK, I follow you now.

But I don't see how we can actually apply that definition. Unless one of us gets hit with a large dose of cortexiphan, we don't have access to any universe where ME was invented but DLC was not.

[Insaner Robot]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

How many of thouse games u just listed had CE that had DLC as part of them? No really I don't know.

Jade Empire had a CE with exclusive characters in it for the player to choose during creation/selection.

Did they ever sell thouse to the SE guys?

No, it remained exclusive. I'm curious as what to peoples reaction to that was (I paid the extra and got the CE).

I've just remembered, it also had, I believe, a couple of exclusive combat styles and weapons.

ya I think its nice they decided to share it this time. They in no way deserve all the hate and accusations they have had thrown at them.

I completely agree, in fact, if anyone looks at the earlier posts in the CE announcement thread. They would see a great many people requesting, perhaps even demanding, that the DLC not be just CE exclusive but also see a release as paid DLC.

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

If you have play Catherine  add that to you list... I have feeling you might enjoy it...

Yes, I've heard... interesting things about that game.

Sad  I have to agree with you on this but I have too .. hate to see you go though.  One of the few voices of reason.

Assuming ME3 forces me to leave.  Here's hoping it won't.  And if it does?  Hey, I'll find a new internet hangout.

 

that game is good . Atlus as always making  interesting games with some wild imagery and crazy themes but they are a good.  There gives a potrayal of a relationship in  more grown up light then what we are used to seeing.  

But hey  before  you go... If you go..   pm where?  Damn  it ME  3  was supposed a joyous  time  not its bittersweet for all the wrong reason.. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Call of Duty , I really haven't played on since MW1.If people are crazy enough to pay for elite and microtransactions , that's on them.I have no plans for any new titles of COD.

THe point being that publishers and developers are already trying ot do exactly what people here insist they are not.  And not minor players or fringe elements, Activision-Blizzard is pretty much as big and mainstream as it gets.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

caldo15 wrote...

Sure the real longtime mass effect fans bought the CE edition, that's why they're selling them on EBAY for $200!!! what a bunch of bull, my gamestop was soldout 2 months ago, the managers are buying them and selling them on ebay, now after all this publicity they're going to make a killing.

Well they are also suppose to be in limited supply , unlike SE's.What a few bad apples decide to do with CE's doesn't reflect people who bought one only.

[yettiyettiyetti]

I'll just leave this here

http://imgur.com/71tXa

Modifié par yettiyettiyetti, 25 février 2012 - 07:05 .

[Stealth3]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem is this DLC business is getting out of control. Where do you draw the line? Now? Or when we *have* to pay for DLC because half the game has been chopped off to make DLC?

Thats what it will come to if the consumer allows it to go so far.

But it won't.You micro-transction an mmo , iyou can't do the same thing with any other regular game.Develpers push their luck , but even they aren't stupid enough to do this.A few might buy the games , but the vast majority would abandon games for older titles/indie games.

Lets hope so. But the next step, of cutting content and making it available only to people who buy collectors editions or who dish out an extra $10 along with their $60 purchase, looks like it might succeed and become a norm. First too the very popular games. Then that will become so normal that most other games adopt this practice. Lets hope we don't allow that to happen.

Plus companies like Ubisoft who require you to play online at all time for some of their games to work could very well adopt microtransactions policies if they put it out there and if we don't resist it.

Ubisoft wants to pull PC support. It did for a while for Ghost Recon Future Soldier. Then it was reinstated. But Ubidsoft wants to stop PC piracy completely by eliminating PC as a platform.

Except you can pirate console games too...Ubisoft, y u no make sense?  Must be the accents rubbing off.  Then again, they can pull out in doing gaming entirely, thus leaving us with no more Raving Rabbids games or w/e they're called.  Talk about milking money off a franchise..

Console games are pirated even worse.  Pirating seems the lesser of two evils for a lot of people when decisions like those get made by marketing clowns.  Its principle here.  Its either pirating or supporting something that goes against everything you stand for.  You tell me what choice people make. 

[Xellana]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

[Kevin Lozandier]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote..

They could , but the game develpers just aren't that dumb to try and pull it.Like I said they could try , if they do it will the death of the game industry and one of their own choosing.The fact their hasn't been another game price hike shows they know how far to go.

Again, it's not something that's on the horizon, it's something they're already getting ready to do in some markets.

http://www.escapistm...Coming-To-China

You do know that gaming in China is Micro-Transaction-based and the game is merely adopting the way gaming is done there, right? This to me sounds like another case of 'Americans believing that everywhere else in the world does business like them'. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 07:02 .

[BaronIveagh]

yettiyettiyetti wrote...

I'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/71tXa

LOL I like the version where the bottom of the picture is divided into Best Buy and Game Stop exclusives.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Call of Duty , I really haven't played on since MW1.If people are crazy enough to pay for elite and microtransactions , that's on them.I have no plans for any new titles of COD.

THe point being that publishers and developers are already trying ot do exactly what people here insist they are not.  And not minor players or fringe elements, Activision-Blizzard is pretty much as big and mainstream as it gets.

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

[ArkkAngel007]

yettiyettiyetti wrote...

I'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/71tXa

And you can leave now that you've done so, as we already, for the most part, agreed that isn't the case here, nor is it the real issue.  It isn't cut content, but the distribution method is underhanded.