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[AdmiralCheez]

nitefyre410 wrote...

that game is good . Atlus as always making  interesting games with some wild imagery and crazy themes but they are a good.  There gives a potrayal of a relationship in  more grown up light then what we are used to seeing.

From what I heard, there are also sheep.  No, goats?  And puzzles.

But hey  before  you go... If you go..   pm where.   Damn  it ME  3  was supposed a joyous  time  not its bittersweet for all the wrong reason.. 

Eh, there was about the same level of wangst over multiplayer and Origin.  BSN knows how to drama.

But don't worry, if I quit, I'll let everyone know where I'm going.

[RDSFirebane]

WeWant wrote...

I think that's the point where I get mad at how short-sighted my interlocutor is.

So I should be..........thankful? For what exactly? For being giving the opportunity to pay more for something that was made during developing time, thus should have been into final product?  
Whauw, what a selfless decision, thanks Bioware!

Hell I wouldn've been thankfull even if it actually was in the final product, because I'll already pay $60.

Ah, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the DLC is CE content because Bioware/EA decided so, not just by virtue of it.. 
Just saying...

yes thankful YOU get to decide. as I've said being worked on during dev time and being finshed at the end of dev time is completely different.

and yes your CE statment is correct it was a bonus they decided to give to incite people to buy it nothing wrong with that its a bonus.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

yettiyettiyetti wrote...

I'll just leave this here http://imgur.com/71tXa

And you can leave now that you've done so, as we already, for the most part, agreed that isn't the case here, nor is it the real issue.  It isn't cut content, but the distribution method is underhanded.

^As a CE buyer I agree.They could have went about this in a far better fashion , but in the end the customer has final choice.

[BaronIveagh]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

You do know that gaming in China is Micro-Transaction yet and the game is adopting the way gaming is done there, right? This to me sounds like another case of 'Americans believing that everywhere else in the world does business like them'. 

Yes, I am aware of that (and have been since 2003 when MT started to catch on there) and that it's immensly profitable.  Which is why a lot of US companies would like to really kick it here.  What makes this unusual is that it's not for an MMO, which is the usual suspect in an MT^ situation. 

And make no mistake, if they can get away with it, they will.

[Xellana]

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

WeWant wrote...

What's that supposed to change? I told you, I don't care about the CE, I care about the game only. 
Why should I (the "average" consumer) should deal with the consequences of the fact that they didn't have any better incentive for the "long term fan" to get the CE other than an exclusive character and content?
Not my problem man.

O yes yes it is it could have just as easily been CE content that stayed CE only so instead of being on the forms voiceing you opnion about paying 10 dollars for it you could be on here voiceing your opnion about never getting it.... you should just be thankful for being given the option instead of them makeing it for you.

other point was I was trying to see if they had ever did DLC with a CE to show that things change nothing stays the same forever....

lol congrats to Darth_T he beat me to this post :happy:

I think that's the point where I get mad at how short-sighted my interlocutor is.

So I should be..........thankful? For what exactly? For being giving the opportunity to pay more for something that was made during developing time, thus should have been into final product?  
Whauw, what a selfless decision, thanks Bioware!

Hell I wouldn've been thankfull even if it actually was in the final product, because I'll already pay $60.

Ah, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the DLC is CE content because Bioware/EA decided so, not just by virtue of it.. 
Just saying...

yeah, I´m with you there. I made a sarcastic comment about that already a few hundret pages back

It was like this:

I´m so greatful for this super duper fan service.
I would be even more thankful if there was a second day1 dlc, where I can have a reaper in my party and pay 100 Bucks for it.
This would give me the great opportunity to give you (bioware/ea) 100 Bucks more AND I could walk around with Shepard, Prothy and Reapy. What could I possibly want more?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Xellana wrote...

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

WeWant wrote...

What's that supposed to change? I told you, I don't care about the CE, I care about the game only. 
Why should I (the "average" consumer) should deal with the consequences of the fact that they didn't have any better incentive for the "long term fan" to get the CE other than an exclusive character and content?
Not my problem man.

O yes yes it is it could have just as easily been CE content that stayed CE only so instead of being on the forms voiceing you opnion about paying 10 dollars for it you could be on here voiceing your opnion about never getting it.... you should just be thankful for being given the option instead of them makeing it for you.

other point was I was trying to see if they had ever did DLC with a CE to show that things change nothing stays the same forever....

lol congrats to Darth_T he beat me to this post :happy:

I think that's the point where I get mad at how short-sighted my interlocutor is.

So I should be..........thankful? For what exactly? For being giving the opportunity to pay more for something that was made during developing time, thus should have been into final product?  
Whauw, what a selfless decision, thanks Bioware!

Hell I wouldn've been thankfull even if it actually was in the final product, because I'll already pay $60.

Ah, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the DLC is CE content because Bioware/EA decided so, not just by virtue of it.. 
Just saying...

yeah, I´m with you there. I made a sarcastic comment about that already a few hundret pages back

It was like this:

I´m so greatful for this super duper fan service.
I would be even more thankful if there was a second day1 dlc, where I can have a reaper in my party and pay 100 Bucks for it.
This would give me the great opportunity to give you (bioware/ea) 100 Bucks more AND I could walk around with Shepard, Prothy and Reapy. What could I possibly want more?

I don't think someone saying worshhip bioware because they allowed you to get the CEdlc/Porthean.But just pointing out they could have been ****s about it and said SE's won't ever be able to get Prothean.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 07:05 .

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

Sam & Max immedaitly springs to mind.  You could argue that each 'episode' is a seperate game, but if you get down to it, they get compiled at the end of the 'season' into one game.


Technically WoT is a shooter, which also follows that model.  Since, you know, we'e still waiting for the physics engine.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 07:07 .

[Gatt9]

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
Maybe I didn't articulate it properly.  What I mean is simply "in a world where Bioware was forced to sell one version of the game, and for $60, would this content be in the game or not?"

If the answer is yes, then it's cut content IMO.  If the answer is no, then it's legit DLC and the shady timing is just coincidence.

OK, I follow you now.

But I don't see how we can actually apply that definition. Unless one of us gets hit with a large dose of cortexiphan, we don't have access to any universe where ME was invented but DLC was not.

Two points to make.

First,  we don't need anything more to make the judgement.  It's done on Day 1,  and done so far in advance that the retailers have SKU's in their system for it.  Despite what Mr. Woo might claim,  you don't get SKU's by pulling something together at the last minute,  you get them by having been planning this for a long time.  This was content that was identified early on to be witheld from the game in order to release as DLC.

Second,  I'd really appriciate it if you'd quit trying to use Quantum Physics as a debate position with video games.  It's not a legitimate debate position.

But I will give you bonus points for having used a Fringe reference to work in QP.

Whether Bioware is punishing customers for the used game market,  or they're punishing customers for EA's consistent inability to deliver compelling products to the market,  either way they're sticking it to the customers.

Which,  as should be *really* obvious now,  isn't increasing their potential customer base.  As predicted,  people have had it with EA's DLC tactics.  The thread on Gamespot is now over 800 posts,  one Youtube response is at half a million views.  This is an unparalleled mistake.

For the record,  I am speaking as one of the people who do have the CE preordered,  and I find this abhorent.

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

that game is good . Atlus as always making  interesting games with some wild imagery and crazy themes but they are a good.  There gives a potrayal of a relationship in  more grown up light then what we are used to seeing.

From what I heard, there are also sheep.  No, goats?  And puzzles.

But hey  before  you go... If you go..   pm where.   Damn  it ME  3  was supposed a joyous  time  not its bittersweet for all the wrong reason.. 

Eh, there was about the same level of wangst over multiplayer and Origin.  BSN knows how to drama.

But don't worry, if I quit, I'll let everyone know where I'm going.

 


Sheep plently of  sheep or the poor sheep.. . No. Goats  this time around... and the  Puzzles yep there are puzzles and a lady with the  greatest Afro in existence.  

Yeah the mutliplayer  I was over because there is nothing to get over... Origin  sucks for those that  want the game but don't the service.  This last firestorm though  I can agree with the senitment some of the hyperbole has been a little extreme  from both sides...

[Kevin Lozandier]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Call of Duty , I really haven't played on since MW1.If people are crazy enough to pay for elite and microtransactions , that's on them.I have no plans for any new titles of COD.

THe point being that publishers and developers are already trying ot do exactly what people here insist they are not.  And not minor players or fringe elements, Activision-Blizzard is pretty much as big and mainstream as it gets.

No. You're not aware of how different other countries run businesses around game than the United States. (Did not see your new post). Activision is adopting the model of business done for games in China through micro-transactions. I thought the same way as well until I and other people were fortunate to ask him about it. 

Like I've also recommend people, in the world of Twitter and Facebook ASK people in the industry yourself about things you think is BS (or if you're lucky, in-person if you think they won't be honest with you online) before you make assumptions that frankly are by gamers who consume a lot of video games but don't know much about the actual industry outside of what they feel like it is from certain wants that are blocked by models that seem new or strange to them.

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

Sam & Max immedaitly springs to mind.  You could argue that each 'episode' is a seperate game, but if you get down to it, they get compiled at the end of the 'season' into one game.


Technically WoT is a shooter, which also follows that model.  Since, you know, we'e still waiting for the physics engine.

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

[Xellana]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

Sam & Max immedaitly springs to mind.  You could argue that each 'episode' is a seperate game, but if you get down to it, they get compiled at the end of the 'season' into one game.


Technically WoT is a shooter, which also follows that model.  Since, you know, we'e still waiting for the physics engine.

right. But these are (in my opinion) examples, that this model doesn´t provide epic games like the ME series.

[ArkkAngel007]

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

How is it an excuse?  The details and facts are all there.  Now I'm starting to think people are ignoring it because they are afraid it ruins their entire argument, because I've never known people to turn down hard evidence otherwise.

I did not get these from BioWare.  I made the, perhaps unethical, choice of accessing this information in the TLK files, both from when it was first leaked and again a week ago when I had the actual demo in my possession.  It hasn't been in the game since the conceptual phase, and it wasn't even the same content back then at all.

And if you even payed an iota of attention, I have made it clear that it is not ok to take advantage of fans with content like this.  It may not have been a part of the game in main development, but it's still something that is very important to every fan of Mass Effect.  It's underhanded and bad-blood between those fans and the companies.

I may not be a developer at BioWare.  But I've been through game development in an unsuccessful attempt to pay bills on the side, and what I have is far more then enough to tell me what happened, especially when I can line it up with the little bit of insight the devs have given us in the past.

You want to believe BioWare is lying to you?  Fine, that's your choice not to believe their statements, and I can't and do not hold that against you.  But ignoring what's tangible...that's a bit ridiculous.

[WeWant]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Xellana wrote...

WeWant wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

WeWant wrote...

What's that supposed to change? I told you, I don't care about the CE, I care about the game only. 
Why should I (the "average" consumer) should deal with the consequences of the fact that they didn't have any better incentive for the "long term fan" to get the CE other than an exclusive character and content?
Not my problem man.

O yes yes it is it could have just as easily been CE content that stayed CE only so instead of being on the forms voiceing you opnion about paying 10 dollars for it you could be on here voiceing your opnion about never getting it.... you should just be thankful for being given the option instead of them makeing it for you.

other point was I was trying to see if they had ever did DLC with a CE to show that things change nothing stays the same forever....

lol congrats to Darth_T he beat me to this post :happy:

I think that's the point where I get mad at how short-sighted my interlocutor is.

So I should be..........thankful? For what exactly? For being giving the opportunity to pay more for something that was made during developing time, thus should have been into final product?  
Whauw, what a selfless decision, thanks Bioware!

Hell I wouldn've been thankfull even if it actually was in the final product, because I'll already pay $60.

Ah, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the DLC is CE content because Bioware/EA decided so, not just by virtue of it.. 
Just saying...

yeah, I´m with you there. I made a sarcastic comment about that already a few hundret pages back

It was like this:

I´m so greatful for this super duper fan service.
I would be even more thankful if there was a second day1 dlc, where I can have a reaper in my party and pay 100 Bucks for it.
This would give me the great opportunity to give you (bioware/ea) 100 Bucks more AND I could walk around with Shepard, Prothy and Reapy. What could I possibly want more?

I don't think someone saying worshhip bioware because they allowed you to get the CEdlc/Porthean.But just pointing out they could have been ****s about it and said SE's won't ever be able to get Prothean.

Why would they do that? They do that because it's the perfect opportunity to grab extra $10 from our pockets, not because of our pretty eyes.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Why would they do that? They do that because it's the perfect opportunity to grab extra $10 from our pockets, not because of our pretty eyes.

Even so , bioware in the end provided away to obtain what people are being mad about(and on day 1). If this was capcom half of the people already , they wouldn't have even allowed this discussion.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[Xellana]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

How is it an excuse?  The details and facts are all there.  Now I'm starting to think people are ignoring it because they are afraid it ruins their entire argument, because I've never known people to turn down hard evidence otherwise.

I did not get these from BioWare.  I made the, perhaps unethical, choice of accessing this information in the TLK files, both from when it was first leaked and again a week ago when I had the actual demo in my possession.  It hasn't been in the game since the conceptual phase, and it wasn't even the same content back then at all.

And if you even payed an iota of attention, I have made it clear that it is not ok to take advantage of fans with content like this.  It may not have been a part of the game in main development, but it's still something that is very important to every fan of Mass Effect.  It's underhanded and bad-blood between those fans and the companies.

I may not be a developer at BioWare.  But I've been through game development in an unsuccessful attempt to pay bills on the side, and what I have is far more then enough to tell me what happened, especially when I can line it up with the little bit of insight the devs have given us in the past.

You want to believe BioWare is lying to you?  Fine, that's your choice not to believe their statements, and I can't and do not hold that against you.  But ignoring what's tangible...that's a bit ridiculous.

I believe what i tangible. Also in this case.
All I say is that you can´t know all that is done especially in concept phase. I believe what you said about this game. But IF they make a ton of money off of this DLC, they could for the next game do what I said there (50/50 game), and we as the consumer would never know the truth and would blindly buy the game not only for 10 Bucks more than a full price title (ME3) but 60 Bucks more than full price title.

I think i phrased my first sentence in my last post wrong. It IS not necessarily an excuse. But it could easily be used as an excuse in the future to make the main game shorter and shorter but provide more and more "extra content", for which you have to pay extra.

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Now you're getting pretty specific. 

Wing Commander: Secret Ops.
American McGee's Grim
Sonic the Hedgehog 4

all spring to mind.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

How is it an excuse?  The details and facts are all there.  Now I'm starting to think people are ignoring it because they are afraid it ruins their entire argument, because I've never known people to turn down hard evidence otherwise.

I did not get these from BioWare.  I made the, perhaps unethical, choice of accessing this information in the TLK files, both from when it was first leaked and again a week ago when I had the actual demo in my possession.  It hasn't been in the game since the conceptual phase, and it wasn't even the same content back then at all.

And if you even payed an iota of attention, I have made it clear that it is not ok to take advantage of fans with content like this.  It may not have been a part of the game in main development, but it's still something that is very important to every fan of Mass Effect.  It's underhanded and bad-blood between those fans and the companies.

I may not be a developer at BioWare.  But I've been through game development in an unsuccessful attempt to pay bills on the side, and what I have is far more then enough to tell me what happened, especially when I can line it up with the little bit of insight the devs have given us in the past.

You want to believe BioWare is lying to you?  Fine, that's your choice not to believe their statements, and I can't and do not hold that against you.  But ignoring what's tangible...that's a bit ridiculous.

I believe what i tangible. Also in this case.
All I say is that you can´t know all that is done especially in concept phase. I believe what you said about this game. But IF they make a ton of money off of this DLC, they could for the next game do what I said there (50/50 game), and we as the consumer would never know the truth and would blindly buy the game not only for 10 Bucks more than a full price title (ME3) but 60 Bucks more than full price title.

I think i phrased my first sentence in my last post wrong. It IS not necessarily an excuse. But it could easily be used as an excuse in the future to make the main game shorter and shorter but provide more and more "extra content", for which you have to pay extra.

It can be , but we won't know until the next game comes out.Even then dlc must be pre-planned for in advance , and someone has to decide if it's exclusive to CE's or if it''s free to everyone(but we miss out on potential profit to use in the next game/another game).

[WeWant]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Why would they do that? They do that because it's the perfect opportunity to grab extra $10 from our pockets, not because of our pretty eyes.

Even so , bioware in the end provided away to obtain what people are being mad about(and on day 1). If this was capcom half of the people already , they wouldn't have even allowed this discussion.

I doesn't work then, because people are still mad. 
Actually, all this began when it was anounced as a DLC.

[RDSFirebane]

Xellana wrote...

I believe what i tangible. Also in this case.
All I say is that you can´t know all that is done especially in concept phase. I believe what you said about this game. But IF they make a ton of money off of this DLC, they could for the next game do what I said there (50/50 game), and we as the consumer would never know the truth and would blindly buy the game not only for 10 Bucks more than a full price title (ME3) but 60 Bucks more than full price title.

I think i phrased my first sentence in my last post wrong. It IS not necessarily an excuse. But it could easily be used as an excuse in the future to make the main game shorter and shorter but provide more and more "extra content", for which you have to pay extra.

So can I as why it is you guys think if they make money off of this DLC they will try to rip us off with their next game the only difference between this and other DLC's is timeing to be honest if they had waited a few months I doubt this would be an issue but since it was promised to CE people it hits day 1....... for everyone to avoid the whole why dont we get the proth backlash.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Now you're getting pretty specific. 

Wing Commander: Secret Ops.
American McGee's Grim
Sonic the Hedgehog 4

all spring to mind.

Do I really need to tell about sonic's fall from being a AAA title.Wing C. rings a bell , AM:G also rings a bell but I would hardily call them well known must have AAA titles.

[ArkkAngel007]

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

How is it an excuse?  The details and facts are all there.  Now I'm starting to think people are ignoring it because they are afraid it ruins their entire argument, because I've never known people to turn down hard evidence otherwise.

I did not get these from BioWare.  I made the, perhaps unethical, choice of accessing this information in the TLK files, both from when it was first leaked and again a week ago when I had the actual demo in my possession.  It hasn't been in the game since the conceptual phase, and it wasn't even the same content back then at all.

And if you even payed an iota of attention, I have made it clear that it is not ok to take advantage of fans with content like this.  It may not have been a part of the game in main development, but it's still something that is very important to every fan of Mass Effect.  It's underhanded and bad-blood between those fans and the companies.

I may not be a developer at BioWare.  But I've been through game development in an unsuccessful attempt to pay bills on the side, and what I have is far more then enough to tell me what happened, especially when I can line it up with the little bit of insight the devs have given us in the past.

You want to believe BioWare is lying to you?  Fine, that's your choice not to believe their statements, and I can't and do not hold that against you.  But ignoring what's tangible...that's a bit ridiculous.

I believe what i tangible. Also in this case.
All I say is that you can´t know all that is done especially in concept phase. I believe what you said about this game. But IF they make a ton of money off of this DLC, they could for the next game do what I said there (50/50 game), and we as the consumer would never know the truth and would blindly buy the game not only for 10 Bucks more than a full price title (ME3) but 60 Bucks more than full price title.

I think i phrased my first sentence in my last post wrong. It IS not necessarily an excuse. But it could easily be used as an excuse in the future to make the main game shorter and shorter but provide more and more "extra content", for which you have to pay extra.

Got it, I see what your point is and I agree.  

They did make a conscience decision to make it DLC when they reanimated those assets, and I'm sure they did have it planned how it was to be distributed when they made that decision to do so.

I can see where it can lead to, even if I don't agree with slippery slope arguments.  However, we have reason to believe that will be the future with some companies and their products.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

WeWant wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Why would they do that? They do that because it's the perfect opportunity to grab extra $10 from our pockets, not because of our pretty eyes.

Even so , bioware in the end provided away to obtain what people are being mad about(and on day 1). If this was capcom half of the people already , they wouldn't have even allowed this discussion.

I doesn't work then, because people are still mad. 
Actually, all this began when it was anounced as a DLC.

And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

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Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production.

yeah but you cannot accept that regardless. Because this IS just an excuse. You as a consumer can´t have the necessary insight in the development.

Next time they will say that 50% of the game was never intended for the main game, so it´s okay to charge 60 Bucks for the main game and 60 Bucks for the second half, which is clearly "additional extra content", because it was "never intended" to be in the main game

How is it an excuse?  The details and facts are all there.  Now I'm starting to think people are ignoring it because they are afraid it ruins their entire argument, because I've never known people to turn down hard evidence otherwise.

I did not get these from BioWare.  I made the, perhaps unethical, choice of accessing this information in the TLK files, both from when it was first leaked and again a week ago when I had the actual demo in my possession.  It hasn't been in the game since the conceptual phase, and it wasn't even the same content back then at all.

And if you even payed an iota of attention, I have made it clear that it is not ok to take advantage of fans with content like this.  It may not have been a part of the game in main development, but it's still something that is very important to every fan of Mass Effect.  It's underhanded and bad-blood between those fans and the companies.

I may not be a developer at BioWare.  But I've been through game development in an unsuccessful attempt to pay bills on the side, and what I have is far more then enough to tell me what happened, especially when I can line it up with the little bit of insight the devs have given us in the past.

You want to believe BioWare is lying to you?  Fine, that's your choice not to believe their statements, and I can't and do not hold that against you.  But ignoring what's tangible...that's a bit ridiculous.

I believe what i tangible. Also in this case.
All I say is that you can´t know all that is done especially in concept phase. I believe what you said about this game. But IF they make a ton of money off of this DLC, they could for the next game do what I said there (50/50 game), and we as the consumer would never know the truth and would blindly buy the game not only for 10 Bucks more than a full price title (ME3) but 60 Bucks more than full price title.

I think i phrased my first sentence in my last post wrong. It IS not necessarily an excuse. But it could easily be used as an excuse in the future to make the main game shorter and shorter but provide more and more "extra content", for which you have to pay extra.

Got it, I see what your point is and I agree.  

They did make a conscience decision to make it DLC when they reanimated those assets, and I'm sure they did have it planned how it was to be distributed when they made that decision to do so.

I can see where it can lead to, even if I don't agree with slippery slope arguments.  However, we have reason to believe that will be the future with some companies and their products.

Me also , I get the whole thing  even though it seems like I don't.But thier isn't enough proof the future will have levels bought as dlc for a full game.(Now I'm sounding like the ME council members  , about how they think reapers are a myth)

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

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Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Now you're getting pretty specific. 

Wing Commander: Secret Ops.
American McGee's Grim
Sonic the Hedgehog 4

all spring to mind.

Do I really need to tell about sonic's fall from being a AAA title.Wing C. rings a bell , AM:G also rings a bell but I would hardily call them well known must have AAA titles.

At the time, Wing Commander was a AAA title.  This was quite a few years back.

How about Tales of Monkey Island?  (Technically the Episodes of Halflife 2 could also qualify) Either of those AAA enough for you?