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[Ultimono]

nightlordv wrote...

I just saw the TB video about this DLC and I have to admit this is just in bad taste on Bioware/Ea's part, but then I am not surprised.

1) Why are people basically being rewarded for buying the more expensive CE. I don't want the CE, I don't want to spend 80 bucks for it, so I am being penalized for buying the standard edition for an already inflated 60 bucks?

2) Not only that, but this DLC involves a character that is basically integral for any ME fan to WANT to have. Its a frickin' PROTHEAN the whole basis of this game has been about them and their connection to Shepherd from the very start in ME 1. Of course i want this DLC just because of that fact alone, its a Prothean squad mate how cool is that?

But no, because I bought the standard addition I have to shell out another 10 bucks on launch to get access to this DLC and character? This utter fail Bioware/EA

1) Why are we being rewarded for buying a more expensive version? Because its more expensive
You don't want to buy the CE? Fine. However you are not being penalized
Those of us who spent more are getting extra content, god forbid that seems outrageous
In case you havent noticed prices are rising for everything because the economy has officially turned to ****, or did you not get given the memo?
2) That's why he was created because fans would want him
Now he was being offered to CE owners becasue they paid more, sorry for asking you to put a little extra to him too.
The connection basically lasted till Virmire, after that it's just been kill the Reapers. The Protheams were there to cause a bit of awe at the beginning. however we find out they died and all the tech was actually the Reapers.
Ontop of this he is the last one, so i cant see him making a difference to the overall plot. And if you listen to the lines on youtube, several races are told he is a Prothean and nobody believes him, so outside of Shepard and his squad Protheans are dead

[chengthao]

[quote]nightlordv wrote...

[quote]Draconis6666 wrote...

[quote]nightlordv wrote...

[quote]Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's![/quote]

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"


Companies do that all the time though and its a widely accepted business practice that no one rants and raves about like little children.[/quote]



And people that don't stand up and say I have had enough will allow
companies to continue this shady business practice again and again which
hurts all consurmers in the end.

If people are so flacid to not speak out against this BS then theres no hope for anything to change.




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[GnusmasTHX]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

This is like saying Darth Vader is not important to the storyline of StarWars because the plot of the movies is the war against the emperor.

The Emperor is only really put into the film at the end... Dark Vader is the main antagonist/protagonist all the way. Protheans can be consider like those stupid Bothan spies that get kill off screen to give information about the Death Star to rebellion.

That's complete BS.

Although I would say Star Wars is more about Luke and Vader's relationship than Empire vs Rebels. Emperor was in since ESB and Vader was shown as an equal to Tarkin in E4 which meant he wasn't at the top of the chain.

Protheans are like the Jedi from TOR, they hold a lot of wisdom the Jedi from E4 onwards would definately want to know.

First of all, I lol'd at "Dark Vader"

Second, no they really don't. There were billions, maybe trillions of Protheans. Not all of them are the guy who built Vigil.

[Yuoaman]

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

That isn't a Prothean.

[m3ga0n3]

I am sorry Bioware, but as a long time fan of yours I just feel that this is wrong. Ok, I was going to be spending extra money (20 extra euros to be exact) on the collector's edition anyway, only to find that it was sold out of pre-orders in my local store, but to then turn around and tell me that when I buy the standard edition it will cost me an extra 10 in order to get this character from the CE, is just plain wrong. I mean, are you telling me that exactly half of what I was paying for if I bought the collector's edition was for just this character and some extra missions. In fact, there is so much content in the collector's edition that I don't even believe that any one piece of extra stuff (e.g. the soundtrack, the lithograph etc.) is worth 10 euro/dollars/sterling on it's own.

So honestly, I myself would not have a problem with this had the price not been so high. Maybe 5 euro would be more realistic, but 10 is just way too much. I never ever thought I would say this, but I will definitely be holding off on buying ME3 for this reason. This content should have been in the game from the start, and never should have been exclusively available to CE buyers. The CE of any game should never include any sort of extra storyline content. It should only be about different armour, weapons and some extra things outside of the game like the soundtrack. And especially such integral part of the Mass Effect lore too. It was just wrong for Bioware ever to think this would turn out well for them at all. Even if this thing hadn't leaked, there still would have been rage from people who felt shafted, and rightly so. Im glad that this thing leaked on Xbox Live, since it now gives me a chance to decide with my money that this type of crap should never be tolerated, so yes I am boycotting ME3. I can wait as long as it takes to finish up the story of my many Shephards, but this time can also be used by Bioware to go back on their decision. At least make the character cheaper and that would be good enough for me, but even to make it free and add something else to the CE to compensate those people.

[nevar00]

Bluumberry wrote...

Sidac wrote...

Yea, the character wont be important. I have my money on this character being a really crappily shoehorned in. Itll be the last of its kind crap that will put so many holes into the lore of the other games that it will just be out of place. The DLC might be worth it if its another race but a prothean is just a horrid idea.

/high5

I thought I was the only one who thought this Dunno why they had to poke a gigantic hole in their own lore by making it a prothean! And then the sheep are whining about it being important.

That's the entire problem!

They either have a Prothean who adds almost nothing to the game... which is so inconceviable for anyone who has played a Mass Effect game that we all assumed he would (as he should) be a massive importance... or he DOES add as much to the lore and overall game as you'd expect him to and therefore should be in the game in the first place.

[Eterna]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Not sure if trolling. 

[RiouHotaru]

[quote]k177sh0t wrote...

[quote]RiouHotaru wrote...

[quote]Eterna5 wrote...
 He's just a soldier.

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Source?
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The leak.

[Chala]

I'm... "curious" by the reaction of most of the guys here...
This dlc was announced 7 months ago for Christ sake!
Why there are you guys so surprised with this?

[Mr. MannlyMan]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Now THIS is a valid argument and the one people should be complaining about.

The Prothean species was full of unimportant characters. 

Given their significance to the lore, the plot (they witnessed their own fall to the Reapers firsthand), and their legendary status (hell, at least one species' religion regards the Protheans as Gods), even one preserved Prothean dockworker would be a big deal.

[Darji]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

So because he survived with Cryo of some **** like that this make him important? I don't think so.

I cant believe people are soo dense to not the a prothean as a HUGE deal in the whole universe. And yeah he is totally uselss because he is dumb as **** and knows nothing  about the war or prothean technology.  But yeah I see now that the people who defend this are actually people who know nothing about the story at all.

[Paragon Auducan]

Again why bother bringing back something long dead if it idn't going to have an impact.

For all we know the last Prothean could have had a vision and be able to tell Shepard exactly what will happen next etc or know of a way to kill the Reapers but never had the chance to utilize it.

[ArkkAngel007]

didymos1120 wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

Prepare to be unhappy.

This, though...nah, can't say it.

[GnusmasTHX]

Jotamide wrote...

Kasumi & Zaeed -> Not relevant to the plot. Nice additions to the crew but nothing crucial.
A Prothean -> Part of a race that pretty much has been a central plot element to the whole series.

Pfft, lol.

Zaeed and Kasumi are human. They're also part of the race that has been a central plot element to the whole series.

[MegaSovereign]

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

[Yuoaman]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's!

Because it was never, not even for half a second, planned to be exclusive for CE owners. They were always going to sell it standalone and the fact that it includes something so huge in the Mass Effect universe it's ridiculous that they've decided to do this.

No, it was never supposed to be a CE exclusive, but it was supposed to be a CE perk. Take the perk out of the CE and give it to everyone, and you take out part of the reason I bought the CE over the SE in the first place. Might as well not have perks in CEs anymore...

Now, if they were gonna make everyone pay for this Day 1 DLC, I'd be raging. But since this is a piece of DLC that has been advertised as part of the CE since the summer, at least, I'm not.

So this specific DLC was the only reason you bought it? Not all of the other DLC and the actual physical bonuses? Even if it had just been the physical bonuses I would have considered it worth it.

[AxisEvolve]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

As you can see those were indoctrinated Husk like Protheans and have obviously been mutated.

They are actually an entirely different species.

[k177sh0t]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Long-time fans, we appreciate all the support you've given us over the years! Now pay us for your day 1 DLC that should have been in the game in the first place.

Hot damn!

[Jaws_Victim]

I am disgusted by EA and Bioware's money grubbing. I will not be purchasing ME3 and will be abstaining from all further purchases in the future with a Bioware label. Granted, I had pretty much made up my mind after how much I hated Dragon Age II but this just seals it. Thank you for saving me 60$, Bioware. Or should I say, 80$ and counting to get the full story?

[Kroepoek]

redsox95MB wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

>superb ce edition.

Hahaha. Babbies first CE because mummy gave him something extra for nice behavior.

Idiot.

Uh huh. 
Well, I actually worked my ass off last summer doing manual labor so I could buy Skyrim and the ME3 CE.

Do you even know what manual labor is you little punk?

Hi. Full time job and an additional part time job. Owner of Skyrim CE and countless other CE's. Been doing this for years. Here you come, bragging because you did a summer of hard work.

Please shut your mouth.

[AxisEvolve]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

10$

[Darji]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

10$

[Draconis6666]

chengthao wrote...


And people that don't stand up and say I have had enough will allow
companies to continue this shady business practice again and again which
hurts all consurmers in the end.

If people are so flacid to not speak out against this BS then theres no hope for anything to change.

That is a valid point of view but if you are going to do so then you need to stand up and protest against ALL Instances of such practices not a single issue. Protesting a single issue because its relevant to your personal interest while ignoring the same thing that happens thousands of time a day in thousands of other places is hypocritical and just demeans the strength of your argument.

[Major Alenko]

I can imagine bioware saying sorry by giving everyone free copy of a game, Like when DA2 was crap and they gave everyone a copy of ME2... I'd laugh if they give you a copy of DA2, 'We're sorry, here's DA2' 'FUFUFU Arghh' LOL

[Bluumberry]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

That or maybe BioWare should stop the production of the game, and spend another 2 years changing the whole thing to make the Prothean the center of the plot (which a few on here who are raging about it not being in the retail copy are the same people who hated the idea of it when people suggested the return of the Protheans).  

I'm not trying to be a jerk.  I understand that it's a big deal, a part of the reason why I purchased the CE in the first place.

But the fact is, the game will be just fine without him.  If he was never announced, you wouldn't have cared that much that there wasn't a Prothean, as they were to our knowledge, all dead for thousands of years.

If you're against the DLC, don't buy it.  If you still want the dialogue he provides, there are resources to do so, such as YouTube and the Mass Effect Wiki.  Not buying the DLC will show how bad a decision it was if you believe it so.

But not buying the retail game that isn't affected by the DLC in any negative way?  That's just hurting the development team that has tried appeasing this group than we all would admit to, while still trying to expand their player base so they can possibly make a significant profit this time around.

Shh.

You're trying to speak common sense