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[_symphony]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

It wasn't been known for a while.

[ArkkAngel007]

Well, I'm signing out for the evening. Been a good discussion today, if fairly heated at times. Looks like we got past most of the drone and hater mudslinging and actually are talking about what we need to and the real issue that stands, which is the distribution method of this product at a consumer standpoint.

Hopefully we'll get another response from BioWare soon, with either some clarifications behind this decision, or that they are considering what is being said here. Doubt there will be a change this soon due to the number of parties involved in the decision at their end, but we'll see.

[Xellana]

What I still don´t understand is why a company has to do this to make the most revenue, as many people here are implying.
If you take Skyrim for example. They never charged for anything they did after going gold.
And the company made a **** ton of money with it.
I really think, if your game is really good (like I think ME1 and 2 are and 3 will be), you don´t need this and you will make MORE money if you don´t f*** with your customers.

I think Bathesda has an incredible basis for their next game, because they gained so much loyal fans with skyrim and their creation kit embedded in the steam workshop free of charge. Their next game will sell even better.

I don´t think Bioware/EA will make much money with this DLC. As I have the impression, maybe a few thousand people will not buy the game because of this.
This is not much considering millions will buy the game, but even if it´s just say 10000 people, they loose close to a million dollar. And the DLC will not produce that much more revenue.

And when their next game is released, they will have many people who don´t buy their games anymore. In the long run (!), I fail to see this as a very profitable business model.

[Bfler]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

Sam & Max immedaitly springs to mind.  You could argue that each 'episode' is a seperate game, but if you get down to it, they get compiled at the end of the 'season' into one game.


Technically WoT is a shooter, which also follows that model.  Since, you know, we'e still waiting for the physics engine.

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Not a RPG game but: Starcraft 2. 

They sell the campaign of the humans as full game and the other campaigns as full price addons.

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The content wasn't cut from the main game.  When is that fact going to actually set in?

Maybe when a developer comes on here and says that without the ability to sell this content separately, it wouldn't exist. 

A bit late, but Reddit actually had this come up, this from the representative who talked to them:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

And, because I wouldn't present a quote without the ability to back it up, so...

TAKE THAT!



www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/c3u8ljf

And just for good measure!

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Really, I think the only main issue, outside of people not understanding why those who oppose this do so, is that people still believe it's cut content from the main game.

Go to the Spoiler group, torrent the script or have someone PM them to you, read the TLK files in the demo, and line it all up with the tweets and statements with developers over the course of development. It was never a part of the main game during the game's production. 

The first full draft detailed a Prothean that was the center of the plot, as well as many different elements not present in the final game. While the reveal was awesome, the rest of the Prothean's involvement was very cliche and practically made the player inconsequential to the game. So, he and many other concepts were dropped. At this stage, the game is still in pre-development. Only concept art and the testing of new mechanics, programs, and equipment are being done in addition to the drafting process.

Script 2, no Prothean at all, and is a similar, if incomplete, version of what would become the final script. This is still pre-production.

Script 3 and the final one in the TLK file that I have on hand. The script is mostly complete, from beginning to end, with virtually all the dialogue and cutscene descriptions of the game. In there, there is a handful of lines of someone called Javik, and it is strongly implied that he is a Prothean. However, nothing else is given. There is no recruitment descriptions, skills description, mission description...I don't even think Eden Prime is listed with the planets in ME3 (Eden Prime is listed in the part that takes from your save import though from ME1). There is nothing but a few lines of dialogue for VO purposes.  This version was the one used for production purposes.


VO work and markers, just like with Kasumi and Zaeed with ME2, are on the retail disc, but that's it. All the essential work was done outside of the main game development, with a team cordoned off as main development wrapped up to do the level design, programming, modeling, etc. Once the main game was off to certification, those free to do so joined in the development of the DLC. This was all done with probably a separate budget (after all, EA makes more that way, though I admit that last bit is a guess), as budgets are also pre-planned.

Again, I'm here to help your guys' argument against this DLC. I'm not trying to dupe and mislead you. I'm just imparting the little bit I can share with you without getting gagged so that you can understand the fact.

Please don't have me type this again.

 

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 25 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[WeWant]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

WeWant wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Why would they do that? They do that because it's the perfect opportunity to grab extra $10 from our pockets, not because of our pretty eyes.

Even so , bioware in the end provided away to obtain what people are being mad about(and on day 1). If this was capcom half of the people already , they wouldn't have even allowed this discussion.

I doesn't work then, because people are still mad. 
Actually, all this began when it was anounced as a DLC.

And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

I knew it, I just didn't care and honestly I don't care so much now either. I'not angry, just disapointed.

[fides5566]

I wish English was my native language, so I could argue with these people about this DLC.

It ****ing optional and it's a promotional DLC for CE. How hard is it to understand that!
They sell it because if they don't, those who buy SE will never have a chance to play that DLC at all!
You want that!?

Modifié par fides5566, 25 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Now you're getting pretty specific. 

Wing Commander: Secret Ops.
American McGee's Grim
Sonic the Hedgehog 4

all spring to mind.

Do I really need to tell about sonic's fall from being a AAA title.Wing C. rings a bell , AM:G also rings a bell but I would hardily call them well known must have AAA titles.

At the time, Wing Commander was a AAA title.  This was quite a few years back.

How about Tales of Monkey Island?  (Technically the Episodes of Halflife 2 could also qualify) Either of those AAA enough for you?

Never was big on Monkey Island , Half 2 I can agree with it.But Valve use to be PC company , I'm talking about companies that have always been console companies.Something like big games to where you can't finsh a game until you buy mutiple levels.An example would be if Call of Duty had to be bought level by level to get an ending and you couldn't finsh the game until you bought the final level.

[BaronIveagh]

Bfler wrote...

Not a RPG game but: Starcraft 2. 

They sell the campaign of the humans as full game and the other campaigns as full price addons.

Good one!

From the Old School:

Duke Nukem II. 

[Xellana]

Bfler wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm talking about selling a game piece by piece , level by level.So far no regular game company has attempted to do this unless it's an MMO.Even then what's happening to MMO's . free to play where your given access to alot of the game without payment.

Sam & Max immedaitly springs to mind.  You could argue that each 'episode' is a seperate game, but if you get down to it, they get compiled at the end of the 'season' into one game.


Technically WoT is a shooter, which also follows that model.  Since, you know, we'e still waiting for the physics engine.

Ok , but I'm talking about Big AAA titles that were split up level by level.It hasn't been done and I just don't think their that stupid to do it(no matter what game company it is).

Not a RPG game but: Starcraft 2. 

They sell the campaign of the humans as full game and the other campaigns as full price addons.

Starcraft 2 is totally different. It´s an addon system. That has nothing to do with DLCs.
Addons are worth their money. DLCs are not.

The Starcraft 2 Addon will have roughly the same amount of play time as the main game.

In a ME DLC you have roughly 1 hour play time for 10 Bucks. That´s just horrible.

Modifié par Xellana, 25 février 2012 - 07:43 .

[LilyasAvalon]

So, what class is he? Biotic? Tech?

...Soldier?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

_symphony wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

It wasn't been known for a while.

If you carefully looked at the CE box , and people should have had this in their head when ME2 had day 1 dlc(even if it was free).Always expect the unexpected people

[Stealth3]

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The content wasn't cut from the main game.  When is that fact going to actually set in?

Maybe when a developer comes on here and says that without the ability to sell this content separately, it wouldn't exist. 

A bit late, but Reddit actually had this come up, this from the representative who talked to them:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

And, because I wouldn't present a quote without the ability to back it up, so...

TAKE THAT!

www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/c3u8ljf

She is the community manager....her ****ing job is to say that.  If she doesnt bark what her boss tells her to, she gets her ass fired.  You have no idea how this **** works...Plus the **** does she know what fits and doesnt fit in the full game?  She is just being told **** that was decided and she must bark and do what she is told to do.  She probably has the slightest idea of wtf is going on.  

[_symphony]

Bfler wrote...
Not a RPG game but: Starcraft 2. 

They sell the campaign of the humans as full game and the other campaigns as full price addons.

To be fair, Wings of Liberty was a game on its own. And the "addons" aren't done yet.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

What I'm talking about is a console only game that has been sold level by level.Their hasn't been an AAA console game that's attempted to do this.

[RDSFirebane]

fides5566 wrote...

I wish English was my native language, so I could argue with these people about this DLC.

It's ****ing optional and it's a promotional DLC for CE. How hard is it to understand that!
They sell it because if they didn't, those who buy SE will never have a chance to play that DLC at all!
You want that!?

Some of us have been saying that for 300+ pages lol:O
p.s fixed some sentence structure for you no offence ment just thought I would help.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Stealth3 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The content wasn't cut from the main game.  When is that fact going to actually set in?

Maybe when a developer comes on here and says that without the ability to sell this content separately, it wouldn't exist. 

A bit late, but Reddit actually had this come up, this from the representative who talked to them:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

And, because I wouldn't present a quote without the ability to back it up, so...

TAKE THAT!

www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/q2sl2/i_am_jessica_merizan_community_manager_for/c3u8ljf

She is the community manager....her ****ing job is to say that.  If she doesnt bark what her boss tells her to, she gets her ass fired.  You have no idea how this **** works...Plus the **** does she know what fits and doesnt fit in the full game?  She is just being told **** that was decided and she must bark and do what she is told to do.  She probably has the slightest idea of wtf is going on.  

It is , but I think she's telling the truth because alot of things get cut out of a game before it even goes into production.This was probably one of them that was saved by the dlc team , while their could be many more that got left out or won't appear until ME4.

[RDSFirebane]

_symphony wrote...

Bfler wrote...
Not a RPG game but: Starcraft 2. 

They sell the campaign of the humans as full game and the other campaigns as full price addons.

To be fair, Wings of Liberty was a game on its own. And the "addons" aren't done yet.

and thouse are expantion packs which are completely different as they add whole new games to the orginal so ya....

[_symphony]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

_symphony wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

It wasn't been known for a while.

If you carefully looked at the CE box , and people should have had this in their head when ME2 had day 1 dlc(even if it was free).Always expect the unexpected people

the CE box said a "character", it wasn't adverticed as a prothean. And not everybody is reading every news and spoiling themselves about the game.

[RiouHotaru]

Stealth3 wrote...

She is the community manager....her ****ing job is to say that.  If she doesnt bark what her boss tells her to, she gets her ass fired.  You have no idea how this **** works...Plus the **** does she know what fits and doesnt fit in the full game?  She is just being told **** that was decided and she must bark and do what she is told to do.  She probably has the slightest idea of wtf is going on.  

Utterly irrelevant!

She states STRAIGHT from the start that she's aware that her position as a Bioware employee means people likely are going to take anything she says with a grain of salt!  That alone makes her far more trustworthy, because she knows the typical reaction to anything she says will be like what you've demonstrated.

She also answers their questions in much the same way as Casey AND Mike.  And since Casey is basically THE top of the food-chain, so there's no reason to disbelieve it, or to make the claim that he's lying!



NOTHING we've been told contradicts the actual process of game development as we know it.  In fact, Casey's own Twitter also answers the questions:

"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #[/s]ME3[/b] centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans."

http://twitter.com/#!/caseydhudson

This basically wraps up BOTH the arguments people have against the DLC:

1) That it was deliberately cut with the intention of charging people for it

and

2) Whether the character's status as a Prothean makes him plot-critical

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 25 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

_symphony wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

_symphony wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
And it's been well known for awhile , I'm not getting why this issue is suddenly a shock unless you haven't been keeping up with news on the game.If they didn't do anything about then or now , I would take it as their ready to receive the pain from a few angry fans.

It wasn't been known for a while.

If you carefully looked at the CE box , and people should have had this in their head when ME2 had day 1 dlc(even if it was free).Always expect the unexpected people

the CE box said a "character", it wasn't adverticed as a prothean. And not everybody is reading every news and spoiling themselves about the game.

But let's be honest if you put prothean squad mate on their , you would have had another group complaining the game was spoiled for them.

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
 I'm talking about companies that have always been console companies.Something like big games to where you can't finsh a game until you buy mutiple levels

What next: 'Well, I meant only games published on Dreamcast...'?


At this point you're just being silly.  And sadly enough I have an example, unless Square is too 'PC' for your taste:

Final Fantasy IV: The After years.  (Was not relased in the US.)


Personally, though, I think of Sam & Max as a AAA title and that they should have counted.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

She is the community manager....her ****ing job is to say that.  If she doesnt bark what her boss tells her to, she gets her ass fired.  You have no idea how this **** works...Plus the **** does she know what fits and doesnt fit in the full game?  She is just being told **** that was decided and she must bark and do what she is told to do.  She probably has the slightest idea of wtf is going on.  

Utterly irrelevant!

She states STRAIGHT from the start that she's aware that her position as a Bioware employee means people likely are going to take anything she says with a grain of salt!  That alone makes her far more trustworthy, because she knows the typical reaction to anything she says will be like what you've demonstrated.

She also answers their questions in much the same way as Casey AND Mike.  And since Casey is basically THE top of the food-chain, so there's no reason to disbelieve it, or to make the claim that he's lying!

Well it's his job to say things too , but on this issue I really do think it was originally intended to be CE only.Somebody said that's stupid and why don't we give everyone a chance to get prothean.Then EA/Bioware shareholder says it can't be free , make $10 dlc for people who have SE's.

[foo man chew]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

She is the community manager....her ****ing job is to say that.  If she doesnt bark what her boss tells her to, she gets her ass fired.  You have no idea how this **** works...Plus the **** does she know what fits and doesnt fit in the full game?  She is just being told **** that was decided and she must bark and do what she is told to do.  She probably has the slightest idea of wtf is going on.  

Utterly irrelevant!

She states STRAIGHT from the start that she's aware that her position as a Bioware employee means people likely are going to take anything she says with a grain of salt!  That alone makes her far more trustworthy, because she knows the typical reaction to anything she says will be like what you've demonstrated.

She also answers their questions in much the same way as Casey AND Mike.  And since Casey is basically THE top of the food-chain, so there's no reason to disbelieve it, or to make the claim that he's lying!

Cool that means everytime a pr person starts with i doubt people will believe me because im getting paid to defend this company.They are trustworthy.I want to get in that field if its that easy.