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[Tazzmission]

i wonder if he will be a biotic type prothean

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

RiouHotaru wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

totalbiscuit released his thoughts an hour ago and i have to say IMO that i actually agree on his points, apart from some mildy strong language and i can't really elaborate much more as i can't add anything to what he hasn't already said. 

http://www.facebook....333028400072644

Up with the Biscuit, down with the moneybags!

And, as far as Chris and the Prothean go: http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1

Again , he had to lie that was his job.To do otherwise other than what Biowar/EA told him , would possibly result in him being fired.People have to understand these things from the employes/company stand point.

But there's no lie.  It's old information.  Notice the current advertisement just says "Bonus Squadmate/Mission".  So the OLD advertisement stated "Prothean Squadmate/Mission"

Obviously it wasn't intended to give out that information so early.

That too , but he had to cover up the mistake it is his job to fix the problem.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 08:27 .

[Illusive]

Tazzmission wrote...

i wonder if he will be a biotic type prothean

*Minor spoilers* According to this list, he has biotic abilities.
http://social.biowar...3/index/8213000

Modifié par Kings19, 25 février 2012 - 08:28 .

[RDSFirebane]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Up with the Biscuit, down with the moneybags!

And, as far as Chris and the Prothean go: http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1

Huh so missprint now means no Prothean not woops didnt mean to let the cat out of the bag well thats good to know....

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow/later today , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[RDSFirebane]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

lol pfft theres still a few of us maning the Defences.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

RDSFirebane wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

lol pfft theres still a few of us maning the Defences.

Good! , I leave it in your hands.

[Tar-Minastir]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow/later today , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

Bioware are big boys.  They don't need you or anyone the defend them or hold their hand as they cross the street.

[_symphony]

RiouHotaru wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

totalbiscuit released his thoughts an hour ago and i have to say IMO that i actually agree on his points, apart from some mildy strong language and i can't really elaborate much more as i can't add anything to what he hasn't already said. 

http://www.facebook....333028400072644

And I'm afraid I can't agree with him.  What does he think the team is doing between certification and when the game finally goes gold?  Sitting around twiddling their thumbs and waiting for the announcement?  The problem with this, is he sounds like an armchair developer.  He claims to understand how the process works, when it's clear he doesn't.

"If it's done before the game is ready it should be free?"

Does he realize the DLC wasn't complete until AFTER certification had already begun, at which point it was impossible to do anything?

Yeah, I can't agree either.

[CommanderCoffee]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow/later today , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

Bioware are big boys.  They don't need you or anyone the defend them or hold their hand as they cross the street.

It's less about defense, more about support. We don't need to defend Bioware, but we certainly want to support them and educate neutrals as certain people of a certain nature are trying to influence the population with half-truths. 

[Tazzmission]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow/later today , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

heh you havent met me yet have you?


i stand by what bioware is doing

[RDSFirebane]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It's less about defense, more about support. We don't need to defend Bioware, but we certainly want to support them and educate neutrals as certain people of a certain nature are trying to influence the population with half-truths. 

^ yep

[TheGoddess0fWar]

I can't believe you guys still GAF about this thread. I gave up on it. xD

As stated earlier:

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 25 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[oto]

This chart has been making the rounds and is being used by fanbois to lazily justify Bioware and EA's position. http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png This is fairly typical, easily influenced people with weak positions tend to flock around things that look scientific. It doesn't mean it's right. To address some specific points.

The production team would lose their jobs! - Bull****, this is Bioware, the game has no risk of failure what-so-ever and will generate x-bajillion dollars. If Bioware-Mythic can dodge a ton of layoffs as a result of Old Republic (the most expensive game Bioware and EA have ever made and not a guaranteed hit), I'm pretty sure they can keep their jobs with Mass Effect 3, a much cheaper game guaranteed to be a success. Not only that but, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. If EA is laying people off like that, shouldn't we be criticising EA for discarding it's employees so readily? Bioware is an incredibly successful studio, you are seriously suggesting they are only days away from losing their jobs if they don't monetise Mass Effect even more than it already is? (already one of the most monetised standard games EA has ever released, if not THE most). Big devs are not charity cases and we shouldn't be expected to pay $70 to get a feature complete game.
Multiplayer replaces Zaeed! - Bull****. Multiplayer has been feature complete for months. The demo build we saw a few weeks back is older code supposedly, Bioware claimed 2 months old. Multiplayer WAS NOT developed in the cycle the Prothean and presumably Zaeed content was supposedly developed in. Multiplayer is a case of a fairly major component of the game being sliced off and used to discourage used sales. It is not an incentive, it is not extra content developed just before launch, it is a dishonest comparison.
It may seem like price gouging, it isn't! - Then pray tell explain why the vast majority of companies don't actually do it. If this was a development reality, we'd be seeing every major publisher and developer doing just this, yet they don't. Day-1 DLC is a reality for only a small minority of these groups, not to mention that more often than not that DLC is mostly cosmetic or very easy to create (weapon packs etc). There are actually very few instances of Day 1 DLC and even less of this importance to the story and die-hard fans. Only Deus Ex has done this recently and there are rumours that Gamestop actually FUNDED that development as a pre-order exclusive, so at least you can semi-understand why it is there. It is incredibly dishonest to suggest that this is a development reality rather than price gouging. If this were true it would be common practice and it most certainly is not.
I say, hold the line. Do not be swayed by the arguments of fanbois and white-knights. Brands have encouraged zealous loyality bordering on fanaticism for years. What better way to get away with murder than have their own consumers whipped into a frenzy to defend their actions and undermine any effort for unified consumer action? Our basic rights as consumers are slowly being eroded by these actions and it has to stop. We as consumers will support and reward reasonable development and business practices, but we will not accept exploitation. The axium remains
"If it's done before release date, it should come with the game".

This 100%

[Tar-Minastir]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'm leaving for the night/morning , I look forward to seeing this topic reach 400 pages tomorrow/later today , which means no one will be around to defend Bioware .Unless someone takes up the fight.

Bioware are big boys.  They don't need you or anyone the defend them or hold their hand as they cross the street.

It's less about defense, more about support. We don't need to defend Bioware, but we certainly want to support them and educate neutrals as certain people of a certain nature are trying to influence the population with half-truths. 

We support bioware and companies we respect w/ our wallets.  That's all they care about anyway. They could give a rats backside about your righteous defense of there infalibility.

To me there should be greater levels of critisim.  For example, when bioware makes a mistake. I will jump all over them and let them know how I feel.  Generally, most infractions are not to the point that prevents me from buying the game, but we need to let them know what is unaceptable.  If we, as conumers do not draw a line in the sand, a company even as great as bioware will walk all over us.

Keep their feet to the fire and we will keep getting great games and they will continue to make a great deal of money. Everyone wins, but we can't let them get away w/ anything less than the best.  We as consumers have that power.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 08:46 .

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It's less about defense, more about support. We don't need to defend Bioware, but we certainly want to support them and educate neutrals as certain people of a certain nature are trying to influence the population with half-truths. 

Influence the population with half truths?  What, did EA executives show up on the boards?

[_symphony]

Kings19 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
i wonder if he will be a biotic type prothean

*Minor spoilers* According to this list, he has biotic abilities.
http://social.biowar...3/index/8213000

That reminds me that the squad SE buyers are getting is going to lack biotics,  you will only have Liara, while there's a lot of techies and garrus and vega for combat (leaving aside Kaidan/Ash)

With prothy the squad seems more balanced, which is making me think BioWare did intend to give prothy to everyone.

Modifié par _symphony, 25 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.



 

And with that. Adieu.

[MonkeySeeker]

oto wrote...

WALL. OF. TEXT

TL;DGAF

It's not for you to decide what is and isn't part of the game. I still don't see any reason why you should get it for free.

Take the game they offer you or don't, that's all you get to decide.

[BaronIveagh]

_symphony wrote...
With prothy the squad seems more balanced, which is making me think BioWare did intend to give prothy to everyone.

Cease your logic, thinking has no place here.  A Mindless drone is a happy drone.  OBEY your corporate masters.

MonkeySeeker wrote...

TL;DGAF

It's not for you to decide what is and isn't part of the game. I still don't see any reason why you should get it for free.

Take the game they offer you or don't, that's all you get to decide.

Your post: TS:DGAF

Oto copypasted TB's gacebook post pointing out the flaws in the arguments of th pro-Bioware lobby.



EDIT: Oh, and, no, Skyrim is a complete and huge videogame out of the box.  ME3 is a bunch of corridors with guns.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[BaronIveagh]

Double Post

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 08:52 .

[deamon deathstone1]

I love just how you people want what I'm getting, for free. I paid good money for my extras, which included the bonus mission/character. Note the word BONUS.

It'll be a Zaeed/Kasumi type deal and you idiots (pardon my french) seem to think it's an integral part of the game they cut out and repackaged, to make some more cashy money.

So no you aren't getting From Ashes for free.

[RDSFirebane]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Cease your logic, thinking has no place here.  A Mindless drone is a happy drone.  OBEY your corporate masters.

Lets avoid the drone insult shall we.

[oto]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

oto wrote...

This chart has been making the rounds and is being used by fanbois to lazily justify Bioware and EA's position. http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png
This is fairly typical, easily influenced people with weak positions
tend to flock around things that look scientific. It doesn't mean it's
right. To address some specific points.

The production team
would lose their jobs! - Bull****, this is Bioware, the game has no risk
of failure what-so-ever and will generate x-bajillion dollars. If
Bioware-Mythic can dodge a ton of layoffs as a result of Old Republic
(the most expensive game Bioware and EA have ever made and not a
guaranteed hit), I'm pretty sure they can keep their jobs with Mass
Effect 3, a much cheaper game guaranteed to be a success. Not only that
but, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. If EA is laying people off like that,
shouldn't we be criticising EA for discarding it's employees so readily?
Bioware is an incredibly successful studio, you are seriously
suggesting they are only days away from losing their jobs if they don't
monetise Mass Effect even more than it already is? (already one of the
most monetised standard games EA has ever released, if not THE most).
Big devs are not charity cases and we shouldn't be expected to pay $70
to get a feature complete game.
Multiplayer replaces Zaeed! -
Bull****. Multiplayer has been feature complete for months. The demo
build we saw a few weeks back is older code supposedly, Bioware claimed 2
months old. Multiplayer WAS NOT developed in the cycle the Prothean and
presumably Zaeed content was supposedly developed in. Multiplayer is a
case of a fairly major component of the game being sliced off and used
to discourage used sales. It is not an incentive, it is not extra
content developed just before launch, it is a dishonest comparison.

It may seem like price gouging, it isn't! - Then pray tell explain why
the vast majority of companies don't actually do it. If this was a
development reality, we'd be seeing every major publisher and developer
doing just this, yet they don't. Day-1 DLC is a reality for only a small
minority of these groups, not to mention that more often than not that
DLC is mostly cosmetic or very easy to create (weapon packs etc). There
are actually very few instances of Day 1 DLC and even less of this
importance to the story and die-hard fans. Only Deus Ex has done this
recently and there are rumours that Gamestop actually FUNDED that
development as a pre-order exclusive, so at least you can
semi-understand why it is there. It is incredibly dishonest to suggest
that this is a development reality rather than price gouging. If this
were true it would be common practice and it most certainly is not.
I
say, hold the line. Do not be swayed by the arguments of fanbois and
white-knights. Brands have encouraged zealous loyality bordering on
fanaticism for years. What better way to get away with murder than have
their own consumers whipped into a frenzy to defend their actions and
undermine any effort for unified consumer action? Our basic rights as
consumers are slowly being eroded by these actions and it has to stop.
We as consumers will support and reward reasonable development and
business practices, but we will not accept exploitation. The axium
remains
"If it's done before release date, it should come with the game".

TL;DGAF

It's not for you to decide what is and isn't part of the game. I still don't see any reason why you should get it for free.

Take the game they offer you or don't, that's all you get to decide.

You are so short sighted that you wouldnt understand points made in my quote.

I already cancelled my pre-order fyi....

[BaronIveagh]

deamon deathstone1 wrote...

I love just how you people want what I'm getting, for free. I paid good money for my extras, which included the bonus mission/character. Note the word BONUS.

It'll be a Zaeed/Kasumi type deal and you idiots (pardon my french) seem to think it's an integral part of the game they cut out and repackaged, to make some more cashy money.

So no you aren't getting From Ashes for free.

I was already getting it but cancelled my CE.  I don't intend to buy ME3 at this point, though if they change their practices in the future I may reconsider.