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[MissOuJ]

I know tensions are high and the conversation gets heated, but please, lets drop the insults. Calling people names is uncalled for.

[RDSFirebane]

oto wrote...

You are so short sighted that you wouldnt understand points made in my quote.

I already cancelled my pre-order fyi....

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

[CommanderCoffee]

oto wrote...

 The axium remains
"If it's done before release date, it should come with the game".

This 100%

This creates a problem.

Ever hear of a positive feedback loop? One action encourages another to occur, which encourages the first action to occur. 

So, the problem here is that the DLC "is part of the main game and should be included with the main game", as many people keep stating on this forum. Okay, add it into the game.

Uh-oh! The game needs to be re-certified because you just added content. Well, while it's there, might as well create some new DLC. Keep the developers busy.

Uh-oh! DLC was completed before the game's release! Better send it back to be re-certified. Well, we have plenty of time now, don't want the developers to not use their skills...

Repeat ad infinitum.

"But wait!" you clamor. "Surely it can just be released alongside the game as DLC, perhaps as incentive to buy new! Well, ME3's incentive to buy new is the multiplayer. If you buy used, you need to buy a code to play it. Probably something like $20. Isn't that what Cerberus Network was? 

Cerberus Network included a weapon, a set of armor, a character DLC and 2 mission DLCs. If we assume Zaeed is $7, like Kasumi, Firewalker and Normandy Crash site were, oh, $5.50, and the weapon and armor were $2, you've got $20 worth of DLC. So you got a lot of stuff for your $20.

Alliance Network. $20 for multiplayer that may assist single player. That's not too bad. Straight-up regular MP games already cost, let me find Counter Strike Source, $20, and CSS isn't as adaptive as ME3 MP. Really, you've got a nice bargain there.

Back on topic, there's the whole idea that things done before the game is release ought to be included. If there's no money involved in the exchange, then there is going to be a financial hit for whoever funds the DLC development. EA and Bioware realized this and made a choice: They included it in the Collector's Edition because the people buying that are likely repeat customers who have already invested $100 or more in the game series. Standard Edition repeat users did get the short end of the stick here, but then again those investing in the CE are taking a greater hit on our wallets. That was our choice, and quite frankly, its your choice if you buy the DLC or not.

[BaronIveagh]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

To try and change the policies that we disagree with?  Are you really that dense?

[Tar-Minastir]

deamon deathstone1 wrote...

I love just how you people want what I'm getting, for free. I paid good money for my extras, which included the bonus mission/character. Note the word BONUS.

It'll be a Zaeed/Kasumi type deal and you idiots (pardon my french) seem to think it's an integral part of the game they cut out and repackaged, to make some more cashy money.

So no you aren't getting From Ashes for free.

If it ends up being like Zaeed/Kasumi then I think most ppl won't have a problem w/ it, but how can a prothean be as inconsequential as those two?

There are two options.  Either it is inconsequential and thereby terrible writing (honestly how could you make a prothean meaningless in the ME universe) or it is of importance/consequence and is EA trying to milk their consumers for important content.

I want it to be as pointless as Zaeed/Kasumi, but I don't know how they can do that w/ out major screwups .

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[kingsims]

I am semi-holding the line (I guess) will be buying it used and not buying the DLC. So I am in both camps.

Modifié par kingsims, 25 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...
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Uh-oh! The game needs to be re-certified because you just added content. Well, while it's there, might as well create some new DLC. Keep the developers busy.

Uh-oh! DLC was completed before the game's release! Better send it back to be re-certified. Well, we have plenty of time now, don't want the developers to not use their skills...

and here's where it falls apart, as if it's issued as free DLC the game would nto have to be recertified, so... no.

[_symphony]

MissOuJ wrote...

I know tensions are high and the conversation gets heated, but please, lets drop the insults. Calling people names is uncalled for.

this thread is degenating again...

Modifié par _symphony, 25 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[oto]

RDSFirebane wrote...

oto wrote...

You are so short sighted that you wouldnt understand points made in my quote.

I already cancelled my pre-order fyi....

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

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I could ask you same question...



i am here because i  want people to understand that this kind of behavior
is unacceptable and will hurt gaming community if no actions are taken.

[RDSFirebane]

BaronIveagh wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

To try and change the policies that we disagree with?  Are you really that dense?

Nope but rehashing an argument that seems to be mostly opnion and the word bull**** isnt going to get anything new done so ya from where I'm standing I'm not the dense one.....

and if you have already cancled your preorder then you appearntly had no faith in the fact you could change said policies.

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...
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Uh-oh! The game needs to be re-certified because you just added content. Well, while it's there, might as well create some new DLC. Keep the developers busy.

Uh-oh! DLC was completed before the game's release! Better send it back to be re-certified. Well, we have plenty of time now, don't want the developers to not use their skills...

and here's where it falls apart, as if it's issued as free DLC the game would nto have to be recertified, so... no.

I addressed that, there would be a financial loss for the investor. Nobody is going to do that on a product that might make a huge ROI. Thanks for reading my entire post before pointing out "a flaw".

[_symphony]

RDSFirebane wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

To try and change the policies that we disagree with?  Are you really that dense?

Nope but rehashing an argument that seems to be mostly opnion and the word bull**** isnt going to get anything new done so ya from where I'm standing I'm not the dense one.....

and if you have already cancled your preorder then you appearntly had no faith in the fact you could change said policies.

You're not making a point, you're being aggressive, drop it.

[StElmo]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...
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Uh-oh! The game needs to be re-certified because you just added content. Well, while it's there, might as well create some new DLC. Keep the developers busy.

Uh-oh! DLC was completed before the game's release! Better send it back to be re-certified. Well, we have plenty of time now, don't want the developers to not use their skills...

and here's where it falls apart, as if it's issued as free DLC the game would nto have to be recertified, so... no.

I'm going to put this simply to all of you. This is the message companies send to consomers through DLC.

1 - Day 1 FREE DLC  = "Here's a little something extra for being such good fans and buying the game new" = ACCEPTABLE

2 - Day 50 PAID DLC = "Here's something extra for those of you still hanging out for some more Mass Effect 3" = ACCEPTABLE

3 - DAY 1 PAID DLC ; "The game will not satiate you for long, so we have decided to release day one DLC so yhe hype manages to get us some sales before people realize this is a mediocre experience. " = UNACCEPTABLE

[MissOuJ]

oto wrote...

You are so short sighted that you wouldnt understand points made in my quote.

I already cancelled my pre-order fyi....

It's just that your points don't make sense.

DLC is always planned beforehand. Some of it is stuff that was cut from the core game during the design process for various reasons, and was later polished and repurposed as DLC. This is not some epic evil conspiracy, this is strandard modern game design. Read this if you want to learn more: the guy who wrote it is a game developer himself.

Also, the MP does replace Zaeed as new purchase incentive. Don't believe me? Check out this ME3 unboxing video on YouTube - uploaded by BioWare. I'm not writing a full script here, but basically: There's an online pass, which allows you to play the 4 player co-op MP: if you buy used, you won't be able to play "the co-op the multiplayer the full game" [0:57].

And again, you're not entitled to free stuff just because you think you are. The game has gone Gold, ie. it has passed Certification, ergo, it is a complete game. Half-finished products don't pass Certifiation.

Hope that helps.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 09:18 .

[Tar-Minastir]

RDSFirebane wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

To try and change the policies that we disagree with?  Are you really that dense?

Nope but rehashing an argument that seems to be mostly opnion and the word bull**** isnt going to get anything new done so ya from where I'm standing I'm not the dense one.....

and if you have already cancled your preorder then you appearntly had no faith in the fact you could change said policies.

Words on the forum will not change policies.  Actions speak louders than words.  I too canceled my preorder, but will wait and see how things turn out.  I know ME3 will be a great game, but I am willing to restrain myself and stand on priciples to send a message about what I see as being unacceptable business practices.  

If enough ppl act in such a way a message will be sent and the behavior I disapprove of will be counteracted.  If not enough do, then nothing will change.  That is how the free market works.  We have the final authority on what we deem accptable to purchase.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 09:09 .

[CommanderCoffee]

StElmo wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...
...
Uh-oh! The game needs to be re-certified because you just added content. Well, while it's there, might as well create some new DLC. Keep the developers busy.

Uh-oh! DLC was completed before the game's release! Better send it back to be re-certified. Well, we have plenty of time now, don't want the developers to not use their skills...

and here's where it falls apart, as if it's issued as free DLC the game would nto have to be recertified, so... no.

I'm going to put this simply to all of you. This is the message companies send to consomers through DLC.

1 - Day 1 FREE DLC  = "Here's a little something extra for being such good fans and buying the game new" = ACCEPTABLE

2 - Day 50 PAID DLC = "Here's something extra for those of you still hanging out for some more Mass Effect 3" = ACCEPTABLE

3 - DAY 1 PAID DLC ; "The game will not satiate you for long, so we have decided to release day one DLC so yhe hype manages to get us some sales before people realize this is a mediocre experience. " = UNACCEPTABLE

If you feel that way, vote with your wallet. Don't buy it. Might not change anything, but you'll end up taking your moral high ground. No sense in blowing up at a company for not bending to your will.

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

Shame on you Bioware

lies 9 months ago about the prothean
lies about multiplayer( many many times)
lies-omissions about origin-client
lies about opt-out options for collecting data in origin(true only for gameplay data)

what the f*ck!!!!

am i suppose to trust you on this issue?-made by another team, couldn't be finished in time?

YEAH RIGHT

you see what are you diong here bioware????
You are losing your customer

SHAME ON YOU

[oto]

RDSFirebane wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Then why are you here it no longer concerns you as it no longer has any affect on you.

To try and change the policies that we disagree with?  Are you really that dense?

Nope but rehashing an argument that seems to be mostly opnion and the word bull**** isnt going to get anything new done so ya from where I'm standing I'm not the dense one.....

and if you have already cancled your preorder then you appearntly had no faith in the fact you could change said policies.

I canceled my preorder, because I wanted to express my protest.
And yes I don’t believe in Bioware (not anymore) because they became same as EA.
Hence the don’t get any more support from me in terms of buying their products .

[BaronIveagh]

RDSFirebane wrote...

and if you have already cancled your preorder then you appearntly had no faith in the fact you could change said policies.

Au contrare!  I know when dealing with companies you have to hit below the money belt.  Granted, I, personally, wil not be able to effect change, but, if enough people do it, then they will have no choice but to change.  That's one of the reasons I view you 'IDGAF types to be little more then trolls at best and corproate stooges at worst.

CommanderCoffee wrote...

I addressed that, there would be a
financial loss for the investor. Nobody is going to do that on a
product that might make a huge ROI. Thanks for reading my entire post
before pointing out "a flaw".

Yes, there wouldbe, however, that loss doubles as advertising, as it generates positive press.  And most of your argument was dependent on that feedback loop.  I just pointedout that6 the loop was broken, so...

[RDSFirebane]

oto wrote...

I canceled my preorder, because I wanted to express my protest.
And yes I don’t believe in Bioware (not anymore) because they became same as EA.
Hence the don’t get any more support from me in terms of buying their products .

alright now that part I get it was the wall of text I didnt agree with and just woundering if you all feel so strongly why havent you all gotten togther and started a petiton instead of just cancleing pre orders and argueing in this form as a single individual..... just saying it wouldnt hurt your chances of getting something useful done.

Modifié par RDSFirebane, 25 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[shaneho78]

The boycott is meaningless. How well the game will sell will depend predominantly on how good it is. If the game is GOTY material, it is going to make most boycotters change their minds. If the game flops, then people will boycott it for the bad reviews and word of mouth, not because of day 1 dlc.

Modifié par shaneho78, 25 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[Pappi]

This is a hammy thing to say but I really love the title of the DLC..I may have to half-inch it for something...

[RDSFirebane]

BaronIveagh wrote...

I view you 'IDGAF types to be little more then trolls at best and corproate stooges at worst.

Why because some of us could be happy with the game and the DLC and want to protect the company that as we see it is doing nothing wrong? ya that makes us Trolls for calling you out and challangeing your statments with our own.

Corproate stooges really?

I've yet to call you anything or even imply so how about showing the same respect and being civil?

I love the game I'm going to love the DLC and have as much right to defend it as you do to attack it.

Modifié par RDSFirebane, 25 février 2012 - 09:18 .

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

I addressed that, there would be a
financial loss for the investor. Nobody is going to do that on a
product that might make a huge ROI. Thanks for reading my entire post
before pointing out "a flaw".

Yes, there wouldbe, however, that loss doubles as advertising, as it generates positive press.  And most of your argument was dependent on that feedback loop.  I just pointedout that6 the loop was broken, so...

Quite frankly, it isn't. If it was meant to be a part of the main game, it would have been programmed with the main game. The DLC was about 9 frakkin months ago, but it was cut out. Bioware added it back in for DLC purposes. If it was meant to be a part of the main game, it would require ME3 to be recertified. So, the entire argument that "BEFORE RELEASE = MUST BE IN GAME" is flawed simply due to the existence of the certification process.

As for the "free advertising", that doesn't really do much. The people buying this game are invested in the series. Anyone new joining might end up being confused, and that would end with them shelling out, oh, on the scale of $60-$80 to understand what is happening. That is more manipulative. Free Weekends are more effective advertising tools. Free DLC isn't. The people who want the free DLC already want the game. Trying to say someone new is on the edge, but if only that DLC! is flawed.

[Tar-Minastir]

RDSFirebane wrote...

oto wrote...

I canceled my preorder, because I wanted to express my protest.
And yes I don’t believe in Bioware (not anymore) because they became same as EA.
Hence the don’t get any more support from me in terms of buying their products .

alright now that part I get it was the wall of text I didnt agree with and just woundering if you all feel so strongly why havent you all gotten togther and started a petiton instead of just cancleing pre orders and argueing in this form as a single individual..... just saying it wouldnt hurt your chances of getting something useful done.

Many ppl have.  TB's video has over 550,000 views and 26,000 likes.  The redit article has even greater numbers of views/responses.  There is an article on PC world.  Hell, even forbes wrote an article.

Will it have an impact?  Who knows, but ppl are taking notice of the entire situation for good or ill.