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[LilyasAvalon]

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

If it's 'only' $20, then what stopped any other person ****ing about this DLC from getting the CE? DDE will always be in stock, you could've put down $10 MONTHS ago for a preorder.

You're right in the sense that I haven't payed enough for the exclusive content I'm getting, but I went out and I preordered early and payed extra to show I support Bioware. If they want to throw all their goodies in one bunch, that's their business. I'm buying both a CE and a SE and I have no problem paying the extra $10 measly dollars for the DLC and in no way think it should've been free. 

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 25 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[AkiKishi]

Well my theory is that they looked at the pre-orders which are not what EA wanted (around twice DA2) considering the budget of ME3 and just needed more money to feed the machine.

Not sure what will become of Bioware after this. While they had ME3 in hand they were always safe. With that no longer the case, who knows..
If they can't reach the sort of numbers EA wants with their flag title and most popular character chances are they never will and EA may go looking for new prey.

[MissOuJ]

BaronIveagh wrote...

I read that link, it was written almost 3 years ago and does not match my own experiances in the Industry.  AS EA demanded the multi-player as part of corporate policy, I don't see how it 'replaces' anything. 

And, sadly, unfinished games have, in fact, been certified and gone gold.

So, again, convincing argument?

What's your experience in the industry? Also, since BioWare has engaged in similar practise in the past (Soldier's Peak in DAO, Sebastian in DA2...) and we all know both DAO and DA2 were complete games without SP/Sebastian, I don't believe the Prothean adds any more than those two Day-1 DLC's did.

As for the multiplayer: it could be EA corporate policy (although I doubt we'll se DA multiplayer anytime soon...) but the fact of the matter still is developing it cost time, money, and manhours. They decided to make it available for new buyers, all who buy used have to pay extra if they want to play it. This is the only money EA/BioWare will see of used game sales, so I consider that to be fair.

What "unfinished" games have been certified? The only one I can think of is the Half-Life Episodes 1 and 2, but everybody knew from the start how that was going to play out. You pay for "Episodes", you get "Episodes"; I guess the people who were responsible for the Certification process knew it too.

And no, games ending with a cliffhanger don't count. That's an annoying, but legitimate, story telling mechanic. I still think it should be illegal to end your game with a cliffhanger if your sequel hasn't been greenlit yet and already in production, but I don't make these desicions, so I get to deal with it.

It's annoying, but it's how the industry works.

EDIT Also this (which has already been posted once, but once more can't hurt, right?), which is written by a former game developer and a hard-core gamer, says the same as the previous post I linked to. Warning for... well, not profanity, per se, but very creative use of language.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 10:16 .

[Exia001]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

If it's 'only' $20, then what stopped any other person ****ing about this DLC from getting the CE? DDE will always be in stock, you could've put down $10 MONTHS ago for a preorder.

You're right in the sense that I haven't payed enough for the exclusive content I'm getting, but I went out and I preordered early and payed extra to show I support Bioware. If they want to throw all their goodies in one bunch, that's their business. I'm buying both a CE and a SE and I have no problem paying the extra $10 measly dollars for the DLC and in no way think it should've been free. 

Quoted for truth

[Tar-Minastir]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...
Last I checked ME3 was a sequal to ME and ME2, meaning that the protheans are massively important regardless of how you try and phrase the main plot of ME3 and yes, I am claiming Casey is lying/misleading in an attempt to cover bioware's ass.  

How could this particular prothean be important if he's not in my game?

That's the point.  Enjoy having to pay extra for a complete game/story.

Dude, reading comprehension. He's not going to be in my game because I'm not buying the DLC. 

The game's going to be just fine without him.

Exactly grats on missing out on important lore/content.  That is the crux of the debate.  People are finding it hard (and justifiably so) that a prothean can be the same as a zaeed or katsumi.  At this point we don;t know.  If it is as meaningless then I think most ppl will be content (how make a prothean meaningless is another matter).  If it is important than we have been screwed by bioware/ea who are holding real content hostage on day 1 by charging for what would then be the complete expirence on top of the purchase price.

Hell, if bioware said hey we finished this content before release and are adding it to the game via dlc and upping the price ppl would be much more understanding, but this premeditated crash grab that doesn't even have decency to wait a bit until after release is unacceptable.

[Kithrus]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Well CE purchaser are all ready getting somethings so all that needs to be addessed is giving them furture dlc for free.  Hell, imagine if you get credit towards the next shadow broker type dlc.  It be worth more than the 10 the bucks imo.

CE Purchaser: this is a f*king outrage, you gave them something we paid for!!
Bioware:, We will compensate you with a free DLC
SE Purchaser: this is a f*cking outrage.........................

And thus the circle continues...

Oh hey! an example of a positive feedback loop!

Yes they exsist, doesn't lend cretance to your point though just means Bioware has to find another way.

Oh hey! Hostility! Whatsa mattuh, want free DLC?

I think if I own my own company I can afford DLC. What bothers me isn't the price as much as these actions represent a trend of segment conteant from devolpment to milk extra money from the fans.

Making the assumption that I want 'free stuff' is a juvenile and poorly generlized projection placed on fans not unlike yourself who unlike yourself have the wit to see what this treatment represents.

I loved Bioware because they made me feel as a customer 'loved'. If they are going pull stuff like this I'm taking my money elsewhere.

Hopefully they get the message before I'm too far gone to care to return.

[MissOuJ]

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

I'm paying the equivalent of $120 for the CE. So yeah, I think I deserve the Prothean as well.

Also, if $20 is just $20, then an extra $10 is practically nothing, right?

[Augster75]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

If it's 'only' $20, then what stopped any other person ****ing about this DLC from getting the CE? DDE will always be in stock, you could've put down $10 MONTHS ago for a preorder.

I'm buying both an CE and a SE and I have no problem paying the extra $10 measly dollars for the DLC and in no way think it should've been free. 

Honestly? None of the retailers I used (or any other one that actually ships stuff to my country) didn't sell it and the eBay prices were just outrageous (started from 110 dollars back then) and I want the Xbox 360 version, not PC. If I had the chance, I'd gladly pay 20 dollars more and get the CE. But the thing is, I just didn't have a chance. Don't have any idea why others didn't but that still doesn't change the fact that how important this character will possibly be in the game. So I'm hoping at least he's in the SE as an NPC but just can't be recruitable without the DLC.

Modifié par Blacktric, 25 février 2012 - 10:09 .

[Tar-Minastir]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...
Last I checked ME3 was a sequal to ME and ME2, meaning that the protheans are massively important regardless of how you try and phrase the main plot of ME3 and yes, I am claiming Casey is lying/misleading in an attempt to cover bioware's ass.  

How could this particular prothean be important if he's not in my game?

That's the point.  Enjoy having to pay extra for a complete game/story.

Dude, reading comprehension. He's not going to be in my game because I'm not buying the DLC. 

The game's going to be just fine without him.

Exactly grats on missing out on important lore/content.  That is the crux of the debate.  People are finding it hard (and justifiably so) to believe that a prothean can be the same as a zaeed or katsumi.  At this point we don;t know.  If it is as meaningless then I think most ppl will be content (how to make a prothean meaningless is another matter).  If it is important than we have been screwed by bioware/ea who are holding real content hostage on day 1 by charging for what would then be the complete expirence on top of the purchase price.

Hell, if bioware said hey we finished this content before release and are adding it to the game via dlc and upping the price ppl would be much more understanding, but this premeditated crash grab that doesn't even have decency to wait a bit until after release is unacceptable.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[Kithrus]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...
Last I checked ME3 was a sequal to ME and ME2, meaning that the protheans are massively important regardless of how you try and phrase the main plot of ME3 and yes, I am claiming Casey is lying/misleading in an attempt to cover bioware's ass.  

How could this particular prothean be important if he's not in my game?

That's the point.  Enjoy having to pay extra for a complete game/story.

Dude, reading comprehension. He's not going to be in my game because I'm not buying the DLC. 

The game's going to be just fine without him.

Exactly grats on missing out on important lore/content.  That is the crux of the debate.  People are finding it hard (and justifiably so) to believe that a prothean can be the same as a zaeed or katsumi.  At this point we don;t know.  If it is as meaningless then I think most ppl will be content (how make a prothean meaningless is another matter).  If it is important than we have been screwed by bioware/ea who are holding real content hostage on day 1 by charging for what would then be the complete expirence on top of the purchase price.

Hell, if bioware said hey we finished this content before release and are adding it to the game via dlc and upping the price ppl would be much more understanding, but this premeditated crash grab that doesn't even have decency to wait a bit until after release is unacceptable.

Thats just my issue though. If its not important why is it 10 bucks? If it is important why isn't it in the game?

Also if it was made before launch why do I have to pay for it?

[CommanderCoffee]

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Well CE purchaser are all ready getting somethings so all that needs to be addessed is giving them furture dlc for free.  Hell, imagine if you get credit towards the next shadow broker type dlc.  It be worth more than the 10 the bucks imo.

CE Purchaser: this is a f*king outrage, you gave them something we paid for!!
Bioware:, We will compensate you with a free DLC
SE Purchaser: this is a f*cking outrage.........................

And thus the circle continues...

Oh hey! an example of a positive feedback loop!

Yes they exsist, doesn't lend cretance to your point though just means Bioware has to find another way.

Oh hey! Hostility! Whatsa mattuh, want free DLC?

I think if I own my own company I can afford DLC. What bothers me isn't the price as much as these actions represent a trend of segment conteant from devolpment to milk extra money from the fans.

Making the assumption that I want 'free stuff' is a juvenile and poorly generlized projection placed on fans not unlike yourself who unlike yourself have the wit to see what this treatment represents.

I loved Bioware because they made me feel as a customer 'loved'. If they are going pull stuff like this I'm taking my money elsewhere.

Hopefully they get the message before I'm too far gone to care to return.

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair. I don't understand why I have to pay $3 for value-menu cheeseburgers when they're $1.50 where I grew up, but I'm not demanding a price decrease because the distribution isn't fair accross the US. There are reasons things happen in life. Is this really worth getting worked up about? A video game, a smattering of pixels and audio files meant to entertain?

I say no, so I sit back and enjoy what the companies offer. If I don't like what I see, I ignore it. If I do, I buy it. It's that simple.

[LilyasAvalon]

Blacktric wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

If it's 'only' $20, then what stopped any other person ****ing about this DLC from getting the CE? DDE will always be in stock, you could've put down $10 MONTHS ago for a preorder.

I'm buying both an CE and a SE and I have no problem paying the extra $10 measly dollars for the DLC and in no way think it should've been free. 

Honestly? None of the retailers I used (or any other one that actually ships stuff to my country) didn't sell it and the eBay prices were just outrageous (started from 110 dollars back then). If I had the chance, I'd gladly pay 20 dollars more and get the CE. But the thing is, I just didn't have a chance. Don't have any idea why others didn't but that still doesn't change the fact that how important this character will possibly be in the game. So I'm hoping at least he's in the SE as an NPC but just can't be recruitable without the DLC.

And again, Origin will ALWAYS have the CE and if you get a decent enough PC to run it, voila. Same crap as me.

[LilyasAvalon]

On a side note, does anybody else remember a time when Collector's Edition just meant your game came in a fancier box and, at most, you got, maybe a collector's tin or mousepad and the game's soundtrack?

When I look at CE's nowadays, it feels more like it's about companies trying to outdo each other.

[JeffZero]

Yep, I definitely remember those days. Not really all that long ago, even.

[_symphony]

MissOuJ wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

I'm paying the equivalent of $120 for the CE. So yeah, I think I deserve the Prothean as well.

Also, if $20 is just $20, then an extra $10 is practically nothing, right?

everyone deserve the prothean, but you don't want anyone that didn't fork the money to have it. Did you buy the CE for get the CE or just a squadmate?

[Kithrus]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Well CE purchaser are all ready getting somethings so all that needs to be addessed is giving them furture dlc for free.  Hell, imagine if you get credit towards the next shadow broker type dlc.  It be worth more than the 10 the bucks imo.

CE Purchaser: this is a f*king outrage, you gave them something we paid for!!
Bioware:, We will compensate you with a free DLC
SE Purchaser: this is a f*cking outrage.........................

And thus the circle continues...

Oh hey! an example of a positive feedback loop!

Yes they exsist, doesn't lend cretance to your point though just means Bioware has to find another way.

Oh hey! Hostility! Whatsa mattuh, want free DLC?

I think if I own my own company I can afford DLC. What bothers me isn't the price as much as these actions represent a trend of segment conteant from devolpment to milk extra money from the fans.

Making the assumption that I want 'free stuff' is a juvenile and poorly generlized projection placed on fans not unlike yourself who unlike yourself have the wit to see what this treatment represents.

I loved Bioware because they made me feel as a customer 'loved'. If they are going pull stuff like this I'm taking my money elsewhere.

Hopefully they get the message before I'm too far gone to care to return.

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair.

1) People leaving anything starts with one person and its short sighted to think otherwise.

2) Life is not fair yes but since when has it hurt to make it as fair as possible? Last time I checked most parents teach their young to leave this world better then when they got there or has that message suddenly lost merit?

Modifié par Kithrus, 25 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[Augster75]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Don't kid yourself. You've only paid 20 dollars more for a CE that includes the soundtrack, artbook, an exclusive lithograph (that costs around 10 dollars at least) and two small scaled DLC's. So please stop acting like you've actually paid enough to get that DLC for free.

If it's 'only' $20, then what stopped any other person ****ing about this DLC from getting the CE? DDE will always be in stock, you could've put down $10 MONTHS ago for a preorder.

I'm buying both an CE and a SE and I have no problem paying the extra $10 measly dollars for the DLC and in no way think it should've been free. 

Honestly? None of the retailers I used (or any other one that actually ships stuff to my country) didn't sell it and the eBay prices were just outrageous (started from 110 dollars back then). If I had the chance, I'd gladly pay 20 dollars more and get the CE. But the thing is, I just didn't have a chance. Don't have any idea why others didn't but that still doesn't change the fact that how important this character will possibly be in the game. So I'm hoping at least he's in the SE as an NPC but just can't be recruitable without the DLC.

And again, Origin will ALWAYS have the CE and if you get a decent enough PC to run it, voila. Same crap as me.

And like I said before, I'm getting the Xbox 360 version since I have my ME 1 and 2 saves on that system. My PC is decent enough to run ME 3 without a problem but I just don't prefer to play on it. Also, the issue isn't the cost of the DLC or it's day 1 availability (at least for most people here I think). It's the content of the DLC. And like I said before, IF Javik is in the full game as an NPC, I think most people would stop complaining and I really do hope he is. If he's not, then it's just sad how Bioware cut a character like that from the full game. Just my opinion of course.

Modifié par Blacktric, 25 février 2012 - 10:15 .

[LilyasAvalon]

JeffZero wrote...

Yep, I definitely remember those days. Not really all that long ago, even.

It's actually pretty damn scary, isn't it? Back then, I was just overjoyed to have the soundtrack.

Now I've got giant encyclopedia with my Animus edition of AC:R and a I'd estimate about $40 - $50 of extra content with the ME3 CE.

[CommanderCoffee]

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Well CE purchaser are all ready getting somethings so all that needs to be addessed is giving them furture dlc for free.  Hell, imagine if you get credit towards the next shadow broker type dlc.  It be worth more than the 10 the bucks imo.

CE Purchaser: this is a f*king outrage, you gave them something we paid for!!
Bioware:, We will compensate you with a free DLC
SE Purchaser: this is a f*cking outrage.........................

And thus the circle continues...

Oh hey! an example of a positive feedback loop!

Yes they exsist, doesn't lend cretance to your point though just means Bioware has to find another way.

Oh hey! Hostility! Whatsa mattuh, want free DLC?

I think if I own my own company I can afford DLC. What bothers me isn't the price as much as these actions represent a trend of segment conteant from devolpment to milk extra money from the fans.

Making the assumption that I want 'free stuff' is a juvenile and poorly generlized projection placed on fans not unlike yourself who unlike yourself have the wit to see what this treatment represents.

I loved Bioware because they made me feel as a customer 'loved'. If they are going pull stuff like this I'm taking my money elsewhere.

Hopefully they get the message before I'm too far gone to care to return.

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair.

1) People leaving anything starts with one person and its short sighted to think otherwise.

2) Life is not fair yes but since when has it hurt to make it as fair as possible? Last time I checked most parents teach their young to leave this world better then when they got there or has that message suddenly lost merit?

That's how you grew up. I was raised to be responsible, worry only about myself, and make my own descisions. By trying to force things to equalize, I'm forcing people to adhere to something I want that may not work for them.

Simpler words, you're a societalist, I'm an individualist. 

[LilyasAvalon]

Blacktric wrote...

And like I said before, I'm getting the Xbox 360 version since I have my ME 1 and 2 saves on that system. My PC is decent enough to run ME 3 without a problem but I just don't prefer to play on it. Also, the issue isn't the cost of the DLC or it's day 1 availability (at least for most people here I think). It's the content of the DLC. And like I said before, IF Javik is in the full game as an NPC, I think most people would stop complaining and I really do hope he is. If he's not, then it's just sad how Bioware cut a character like that from the full game. Just my opinion of course.

XBOX saves can be converted to PC saves. There are sites dedicated to specific Mass Effect 1 and 2 saves, down to the smallest decisions. I will agree that I feel that, being what Javik is, it was odd he was not included in the full game and that a lot of this arguing would not be happening if he was a human or another turian or something.

[AkiKishi]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair. I don't understand why I have to pay $3 for value-menu cheeseburgers when they're $1.50 where I grew up, but I'm not demanding a price decrease because the distribution isn't fair accross the US. There are reasons things happen in life. Is this really worth getting worked up about? A video game, a smattering of pixels and audio files meant to entertain?

I say no, so I sit back and enjoy what the companies offer. If I don't like what I see, I ignore it. If I do, I buy it. It's that simple.

They don't sell you a value cheeseburger and when you open it up you need to pay another $1 for the cheese to complete the burger do they? 

If EA wanted more money they should have just increased the base price. But they know the casual (and some gamer) market won't except it.
They take content from the game package it as DLC and then charge extra for it.

[CommanderCoffee]

BobSmith101 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair. I don't understand why I have to pay $3 for value-menu cheeseburgers when they're $1.50 where I grew up, but I'm not demanding a price decrease because the distribution isn't fair accross the US. There are reasons things happen in life. Is this really worth getting worked up about? A video game, a smattering of pixels and audio files meant to entertain?

I say no, so I sit back and enjoy what the companies offer. If I don't like what I see, I ignore it. If I do, I buy it. It's that simple.

They don't sell you a value cheeseburger and when you open it up you need to pay another $1 for the cheese to complete the burger do they? 

If EA wanted more money they should have just increased the base price. But they know the casual (and some gamer) market won't except it.
They take content from the game package it as DLC and then charge extra for it.

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-Kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

[Tar-Minastir]

Kithrus wrote...

1) People leaving anything starts with one person and its short sighted to think otherwise.

2) Life is not fair yes but since when has it hurt to make it as fair as possible? Last time I checked most parents teach their young to leave this world better then when they got there or has that message suddenly lost merit?

The gaming community has lost all reason and standards.  We have developed a it's not my problem so screw it mentality.

Kinda reminds me of...

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Obviously the situation is nowhere near as dire, but the concept fits.  I don't care if the company is overpricing their content b/c I can afford it.  I don't care that they are using gimmicks/missinformation to makes sales.  I don't care that they are breaking a product down to milk more money out of it.  I don't care that they are realizing quality doesn't matter b/c their mindless fan base will pad their bottom line regardless.

Stand on principles and we will get better games and better service.  The company will make money and be loved everyone wins.  Not to say the ME is in anyway bad, just giving general advice.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[Kithrus]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Well CE purchaser are all ready getting somethings so all that needs to be addessed is giving them furture dlc for free.  Hell, imagine if you get credit towards the next shadow broker type dlc.  It be worth more than the 10 the bucks imo.

CE Purchaser: this is a f*king outrage, you gave them something we paid for!!
Bioware:, We will compensate you with a free DLC
SE Purchaser: this is a f*cking outrage.........................

And thus the circle continues...

Oh hey! an example of a positive feedback loop!

Yes they exsist, doesn't lend cretance to your point though just means Bioware has to find another way.

Oh hey! Hostility! Whatsa mattuh, want free DLC?

I think if I own my own company I can afford DLC. What bothers me isn't the price as much as these actions represent a trend of segment conteant from devolpment to milk extra money from the fans.

Making the assumption that I want 'free stuff' is a juvenile and poorly generlized projection placed on fans not unlike yourself who unlike yourself have the wit to see what this treatment represents.

I loved Bioware because they made me feel as a customer 'loved'. If they are going pull stuff like this I'm taking my money elsewhere.

Hopefully they get the message before I'm too far gone to care to return.

Okay. One person isn't going to make a difference. I'm going to enjoy ME3 despite any flaws that happed before, during, or after release. Including this. Anyone whining about how this practice isn't fair is fairly juvinile. Life isn't fair.

1) People leaving anything starts with one person and its short sighted to think otherwise.

2) Life is not fair yes but since when has it hurt to make it as fair as possible? Last time I checked most parents teach their young to leave this world better then when they got there or has that message suddenly lost merit?

That's how you grew up. I was raised to be responsible, worry only about myself, and make my own descisions. By trying to force things to equalize, I'm forcing people to adhere to something I want that may not work for them.

Simpler words, you're a societalist, I'm an individualist. 

No I'm an Aristotelian. The Truth is ultimately more important and the truth makes the world a better place. Maybe not right away as there are always growing pains with change but getting back to the point at hand the truth of the matter is nickel and diming your customers to death is bad.

Period.

[RiouHotaru]

For the record?

EA didn't make Bioware include the MP mode. That was Bioware's idea.