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[Lufven1]

MissOuJ wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

He's the guy who did this parody.

Wait what? What parody? I don't even...

Urgh, sorry, html fail.

I meant this.

Oh I know him. It's him...

[Goddy10]

"Dear Goddy, it appears fairness is dead in the Gaming industry..." This is from a member of a forum I blog for.

"The defence put up by Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble in regards to the "From Dust" Day one DLC is spurious at best. Whether or not it was EA that demanded this story crucial material be discluded from the main game is irrelevant. The fact that Bioware, a well respected developer for over 10 years, can put such an irresistable carrot on a 10 dollar string and attach it to a stick on the gaming communities backs is a dirty business tactic and one that will ultimately come back to damage their reputation even further post Dragon Age 2. Sooner or later, there will be nowhere left to hide for the fleecers and racketeers that now smell the freshly baked pie of ignorance that now wofts from the gaming world.

[Name withheld]"

While I have stated in my other thread that I have already purchased Mass Effect 3 and fully intend to play it, I ultimately have to agree with him, and to add further to his statement, for respected figures at Bioware such as Casey Hudson of all people to come out and toe EA's line is both surprising and saddening. You would never see Gabe Newell come out and seemingly lie in the face of Valves fanbase.

In a perfect world, Bioware and any other cultivator of decent products in the gaming industry would have the financial power to go it alone, but the reality is somewhat different, and it is a circumstance that we will inevitably have to put up with.

That's the point I have been making from day one: No amount of boycotts or forum protests will change the direction of the current. EA will make millions off Mass Effect 3 and will know full well that any minority of gamers that have taken up the sword against their swindling will soon falter and give up, what I like to call the Heart of Wallmart effect.

Modifié par Goddy10, 25 février 2012 - 02:27 .

[H1natachan]

StableZaner wrote...

H1natachan wrote...

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here take alook ;3

http://www.facebook....333028400072644

He posted a video regarding the issue and made clear his points there too. I posted it a good few pages back but here we go again:

CynicalBrit - Why Bioware have gone too far

I seen that already and he's right. If people dont think he's true to his word then think back to when he had a go at Blizzard about WoW's direction, he hasnt set foot in azeroth since.

[grimkillah]

Wow Am I in 2009, because I thought the whole Day One DLC thing should have been settled by the end of 2009. It has been four years, and every BioWare game since 2009 have Day One DLC. So get over it, and get back to 2012.

[nightcobra]

 

MissOuJ wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Functional and complete are not the same thing.I don't see why anyone would not want to know what was missing from the game or being charged extra for. Unless ignorance is bliss or sometihng. 

If you could see on the box 

Base price £XXX 
Additional Day 1 content 
A. £XX
B.£XX
C £XX

You could immediately see how much the complete game cost. And how much less they were actually including in the base price. 

If you went to the cinema to see the LotR theatrical versions (like me) were you scammed because Extended Editions were released later? Was your "LotR experience" incomplete because you didn't get to see the scene where Frodo and Sam see the Wood elves in Shire's woods?

No.

Was my DAO experience full without the Soldier's Peak/Shale/Ostagar/Witchhunt DLC's? Yes it was. If anything, I (or the used game retailer I bought it from) scammed BioWare because I bought my copy of DAO used: BioWare/EA didn't see a cent of the money I paid for that game.

bad analogy, using your example it would be more like a small tv ad telling the viewers that they would be releasing the DVD/bluray at the same time as the theatrical release, limited copies with an extended amount of the movie pertaining a character of a race beloved by the long time fans of the books along with some swag like posters/models/"making of" videos. 
viewers who didn't get this special edition could then choose to see the movie or the movie complete with the extended footage on theaters for an additional fee in the tickets.

[StableZaner]

H1natachan wrote...

I seen that already and he's
right. If people dont think he's true to his word then think back to
when he had a go at Blizzard about WoW's direction, he hasnt set foot in
azeroth since.

Well I do agree with him, but I wouldn't boycott the game, simply because I'll be dead in the ground in 70/80 years (if I'm lucky) and so I'm not gonna deprive myself of simple little joys like videogames I really like. xD

But fair play to him, if he can actually go cold-turkey from Mass Effect 3. He made his points quite well, regardless if you agree or not.

Bioware have given us a lot of goodies and they seem to listen to fans (what with the forums ect), but some people claim this is a buttering-up tactic so when it comes to them pulling stunts like the Day 1 DLC and other annoying marketing gimmicks, we'll be apeased and let it slide. I don't know if I believe that tbh and frankly I don't want to, because it's a bit sad.


People are allowed to comment and criticise even against things they partake in. You can support a football team with feverish passion and yet critiscis a player who's performed a disgraceful foul.
People here getting their knickers in a twist (on both sides) but particularly the ones who are appalled that people dare complain, need to calm down and get off the high horse. Likewise people who feel entitlement, simply because...they do..need to dismount as well. We're all gamers, we can dive into heated debates without tearing at each other. We're not Husks or Deadspawn

At the end of the day, yes it's video games we're talking about and yes it's up to us what we spend our money on. But sales of the game on it's own with no extra content or merchandise purchases will be so damn high, they don't need to be pushing stuff to hard as if they were scared they'd all go bankrupt. It simply isn't going to happen with this game. Bioware are a big company and make big bucks. Because of their great games and because of their loyal fans.

Modifié par StableZaner, 25 février 2012 - 02:34 .

[XxKradosxX]

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 to get all the content and extra collectibles then that's your own damn fault don't bring a **** storm of hatred down on bio ware because you guys waited till the last minute to preorder the CE because you thought it wasn't gonna be that good, this is pathetic 366 pages of ignorant people who shouldn't even be criticizing bio-ware you guys have no right to. if you don't like it don't ****ing buy there games. but in the mean-time your ruining it for the people who are actually true fans of the games and its developers.


p.s. it is the truth and you can argue all you want but you know I'm right and people on my side know I'm right and bio ware knows I'm right love you bio ware and people on my side(:

[MissOuJ]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

bad analogy, using your example it would be more like a small tv ad telling the viewers that they would be releasing the DVD/bluray at the same time as the theatrical release, limited copies with an extended amount of the movie pertaining a character of a race beloved by the long time fans of the books along with some swag like posters/models/"making of" videos. 
viewers who didn't get this special edition could then choose to see the movie or the movie complete with the extended footage on theaters for an additional fee in the tickets.

More like, you could choose to buy the theatrical release when it hit stores, or you could buy the Extended Edition version.

Better yet: when FotR was published, they published it in two formats: VHS and DVD - I have the old VHS version still somewhere. Naturally, the VSH version cost less.

Was I ripped off because at the time I could only afford the VHS version of the movie? Was the movie not complete just because it wasn't the DVD version, with extras and behind-the-scenes and stuff like that? NO.

Also - some movies are re-edited before DVD release: that is, the movie you saw in the cinema isn't the version you bought on the DVD. Plus, if it's a foreign movie and there are subtitles, they're often not the same as in the theatrical version. Still doesn't mean you're getting ripped off.

[Justin Morgan]

you're wrong. 

anyways, canceled my preorder.

[Lufven1]

Justin Morgan wrote...

you're wrong. 

anyways, canceled my preorder.

True.dat

[stargatefan1990]

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 to get all the content and extra collectibles then that's your own damn fault don't bring a **** storm of hatred down on bio ware because you guys waited till the last minute to preorder the CE because you thought it wasn't gonna be that good, this is pathetic 366 pages of ignorant people who shouldn't even be criticizing bio-ware you guys have no right to. if you don't like it don't ****ing buy there games. but in the mean-time your ruining it for the people who are actually true fans of the games and its developers.


p.s. it is the truth and you can argue all you want but you know I'm right and people on my side know I'm right and bio ware knows I'm right love you bio ware and people on my side(:

i agree 100% with your general statement i waited too long to pre order (nothing to do with being worried over quality) late last year everywere was sold out of CE no joke so im getting the standard edition im so relieved i can get this DLC will be purchasing it before i play mass effect 3 on day one lol thanks for every game youve made bioware some of us appreciate the hard work and some of the not so fun working conditions you go through to bring us top quality gaming:happy:

[Robin001]

 Here is what i mean about this :

http://img141.images...lcmonalisa1.jpg

[kingsims]

Notice how all the PR guys, Community managers are staying out of this thread? It seems like Michael is taking the brunt of this crisis and mess that EA created, I wouldn't be surprised if EA told them to leave it and they will handle it instead (They handled the BF3 DLC and Exclusivity issue nicely).

If it comes from the COO or CEO then the DLC will be free and EA gets lots of good marketing (though they have to weight up the CE owner backlash and the lost DLC profit). But the DLC was not marketed as exclusive so they can get it away with it legally.

[AkiKishi]

MissOuJ wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't care as far as I'm concerned I'm well within my rights as a consumer to know what I am getting before I hand over the cash. If a game is missing 3 pieces because of day 1 DLC I want to know about it.

On a wider moral note I also want the casual gamers without internet access to know how they are being ripped off.

How is that anything to do with the consumer ? I never called you a biodrone I just said you had been well programmed by the propaganda.

The information on CE, DDE and SE has been abundant (granted, as far as I know the bit about needing online pass for the multiplayer wasn't clearly stated, so that's on them - again, if I'm wrong, please correct). I did an informed choise when I ordered the CE. If you didn't check your options when you had the chance, it's not really BioWare's fault, now is it?

If you frequent these boards and completely beside the point.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 février 2012 - 02:49 .

[AkiKishi]

kingsims wrote...

Notice how all the PR guys, Community managers are staying out of this thread? It seems like Michael is taking the brunt of this crisis and mess that EA created, I wouldn't be surprised if EA told them to leave it and they will handle it instead (They handled the BF3 DLC and Exclusivity issue nicely).

If it comes from the COO or CEO then the DLC will be free and EA gets lots of good marketing (though they have to weight up the CE owner backlash and the lost DLC profit). But the DLC was not marketed as exclusive so they can get it away with it legally.

Well the CE owners being true fans and all that should do what is in the best interest of Bioware don't you think?

[BTCentral]

I think what a lot of people fail to realise, is that in the past free character etc. DLC was part of EA's "project ten dollar" initiative - the incentive to buy the game new.

Over time, project ten dollar has evolved - and now pretty much any EA game with online multiplayer seems to get a "free" online pass as the project ten dollar content instead of DLC with the exception of CEs, Limited Editions, etc. - for example, Dead Space 2.

In effect, the bonus content you are getting here for buying the game new is the multiplayer access aka the "Galaxy at War" code.

Now, obviously some people would have preferred the DLC instead of multiplayer access, but at the end of the day EA is the publisher and they decide what they do/do not charge for.

Personally, as soon as multiplayer was announced, I thought "well, there's the project ten dollar content" and assumed that people that pre-ordered the SE would not be getting bonus DLC this time (again, based on past games) - this is something I took into account when pre-ordering the CE, as I assumed that said character DLC would be paid content for everyone else, if released seperately at all.

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset [if the From Ashes DLC was offered for free] (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

Now that, I would find to be acceptable - provided it was story DLC rather than a free gun/appearance pack.

Also, random fact: There are over 9000 replies in this topic already.

Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 02:54 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

After all this, I really hope BioMoney gets bankrupted.

[rumbalumba]

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 to get all the content and extra collectibles then that's your own damn fault don't bring a **** storm of hatred down on bio ware because you guys waited till the last minute to preorder the CE because you thought it wasn't gonna be that good, this is pathetic 366 pages of ignorant people who shouldn't even be criticizing bio-ware you guys have no right to. if you don't like it don't ****ing buy there games. but in the mean-time your ruining it for the people who are actually true fans of the games and its developers.


p.s. it is the truth and you can argue all you want but you know I'm right and people on my side know I'm right and bio ware knows I'm right love you bio ware and people on my side(:

whattadouche.

[StableZaner]

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 :

This is starting to get old and offensive. You have no right to dictate to people how much money is easy to spend or not. What people do with their money, however little or big is their own business. They can complain if they like. $20 is around £14 here and that can get you a week and halfs worth of food shopping or a bunch of bus fares to a job (if you're lucky enough to still have one). I managed to purchase my copy of the CE Edition because I saved up prior to even the release date, because I could. I had bills, rents, univeristy fees, food and travel...so it actually took time to save that £70 up because I had to do all this with no job, because the world is screwed because of jobs.

So regardless of your points being valid or not when you talk about the DLC ruckus, stop being so inconsiderate and ignorant about the actual money involved and peoples ability to save it. Your idea of what is easy to pay and anothers are quite different.

[Blarty]

oto wrote...

600 000 vs 6000 ?
and 6000 one still disagrees with bioware.

Yes it disagrees but not to boycotting the full game.... Oh and btw the 600,000 only has 4.5% of it viewers giving it thumbs up.... The 6000 one has over 10% of its viewers.... Anything is possible with statistics

[H1natachan]

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 to get all the content and extra collectibles then that's your own damn fault don't bring a **** storm of hatred down on bio ware because you guys waited till the last minute to preorder the CE because you thought it wasn't gonna be that good, this is pathetic 366 pages of ignorant people who shouldn't even be criticizing bio-ware you guys have no right to. if you don't like it don't ****ing buy there games. but in the mean-time your ruining it for the people who are actually true fans of the games and its developers.


p.s. it is the truth and you can argue all you want but you know I'm right and people on my side know I'm right and bio ware knows I'm right love you bio ware and people on my side(:

Heh, Well after getting burnt really badly on D.A.2 last year i decided to air caution and wait until i at least read a few reliable reviews of M.E.3. I decided i wasnt going to fall for all the cheap pr marketing ploy for M.E.3. My trust in BW is at a all time low because of last years D.A.2 fiasco, so naturally i remain cynical about anything to do with M.E.3.
Yes, i was really looking forward to playing M.E.3 at a later date and no i didnt blindly go and order CE as i thought and still do think it wasnt worth it. The ignorance and pure spite of some of the CE pre order posters is trully astounding and saddening at the same time. Still, a fool and their money is soon parted huh. Also dont start with the entitlement crap because as far as i'm concerned it isnt about that, its about saying enough is enough i'm not going to put up with dodgy sneaky business practices. Sadly if people cant see where all this is heading then i really do despair for you all.

[XxKradosxX]

StableZaner wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 :

This is starting to get old and offensive. You have no right to dictate to people how much money is easy to spend or not. What people do with their money, however little or big is their own business. They can complain if they like. $20 is around £14 here and that can get you a week and halfs worth of food shopping or a bunch of bus fares to a job (if you're lucky enough to still have one). I managed to purchase my copy of the CE Edition because I saved up prior to even the release date, because I could. I had bills, rents, univeristy fees, food and travel...so it actually took time to save that £70 up because I had to do all this with no job, because the world is screwed because of jobs.

So regardless of your points being valid or not when you talk about the DLC ruckus, stop being so inconsiderate and ignorant about the actual money involved and peoples ability to save it. Your idea of what is easy to pay and anothers are quite different.

actually **** where all in the sameboat with it being rough and hard to afford stuff but if you cant afford the extra bit of money to put out then still dont take it out on the devs 

[stargatefan1990]

BTCentral wrote...

I think what a lot of people fail to realise, is that in the past free character etc. DLC was part of EA's "project ten dollar" initiative - the incentive to buy the game new.

Over time, project ten dollar has evolved - and now pretty much any EA game with online multiplayer seems to get a "free" online pass as the project ten dollar content instead of DLC with the exception of CEs, Limited Editions, etc. - for example, Dead Space 2.

In effect, the bonus content you are getting here for buying the game new is the multiplayer access or the "Galaxy at War" code.

Now, obviously some people would have preferred the DLC instead of multiplayer access, but at the end of the day EA is the publisher and they decide what they do/do not charge for.

Personally, as soon as multiplayer was announced, I thought "well, there's the project ten dollar content" and assumed that people that pre-ordered the SE would not be getting bonus DLC this time (again, based on past games) - this is something I took into account when pre-ordering the CE, as I assumed that said character DLC would be paid content for everyone else, if released seperately at all.

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Obviously some people who purchased the CE for that content are going to be upset [if the From Ashes DLC was offered for free] (and apparently not everyone can cancel their preorder), so to appease those people I think they should offer people who preordered the CE a free code for the 1st post-launch DLC, whatever it ends up being.

Now that, I would find to be acceptable - provided it was story DLC rather than a free gun/appearance pack.

Also, random fact: There are over 9000 replies in this topic already.

im looking forward to purchasing from ashes to ADD to the main game of ME3 and this "its a prothean its like not having a reaper!!!!!!!!!!!!" is getting very old for me, now if vigil in me1 was DLC to progress that would of been a different story lol:huh:

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 25 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[StableZaner]

XxKradosxX wrote...

StableZaner wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...

you guys are pathetic its your fault you didn't fork out the extra 20 dollars to get the CE and it was announced over 6 months ago, if your to uptight to spend $20 :

This is starting to get old and offensive. You have no right to dictate to people how much money is easy to spend or not. What people do with their money, however little or big is their own business. They can complain if they like. $20 is around £14 here and that can get you a week and halfs worth of food shopping or a bunch of bus fares to a job (if you're lucky enough to still have one). I managed to purchase my copy of the CE Edition because I saved up prior to even the release date, because I could. I had bills, rents, univeristy fees, food and travel...so it actually took time to save that £70 up because I had to do all this with no job, because the world is screwed because of jobs.

So regardless of your points being valid or not when you talk about the DLC ruckus, stop being so inconsiderate and ignorant about the actual money involved and peoples ability to save it. Your idea of what is easy to pay and anothers are quite different.

actually **** where all in the sameboat with it being rough and hard to afford stuff but if you cant afford the extra bit of money to put out then still dont take it out on the devs 

You certainly don't make it seem like everyone is in the same boat the way you word it. Why not blame the devs, when it's them behind this? The simple fact is the DLC should not be charged if it was made prior to launch. Which seems to be the case. The devs did this, so who else should people voice their complaints to...the Reapers?