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[BounceDK]

10 euros .. Awesome .. Way to milk bioware!

[Darji]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

So because he survived with Cryo of some **** like that this make him important? I don't think so.

I cant believe people are soo dense to not the a prothean as a HUGE deal in the whole universe. And yeah he is totally uselss because he is dumb as **** and knows nothing  about the war or prothean technology.  But yeah I see now that the people who defend this are actually people who know nothing about the story at all.

Because you assume Protheans have better tech? I don't think so even if they did it's not a Soldier who will be able to create something. You would need him to be a scientist or something like that.

really? Wow.... I am out of words here...

[GnusmasTHX]

padawanmage wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

True...I remembered these statues, looked at the Collectors and went...'HUH?"  

It's in the Mass Effect Universe art book that it's basically a retcon.

[Yuoaman]

padawanmage wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

True...I remembered these statues, looked at the Collectors and went...'HUH?"  

Again, those statues aren't of Protheans.

[Paragon Auducan]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Again why bother bringing back something long dead if it idn't going to have an impact.

For all we know the last Prothean could have had a vision and be able to tell Shepard exactly what will happen next etc or know of a way to kill the Reapers but never had the chance to utilize it.

Because it's fan service to all those who said they would like to see a Prothean.  So BioWare developed the DLC (since the Prothean wasn't a part of the narrative), and EA put a price tag on it.

And that's EXACTLY why people are annoyed, do poeple seriously not read. A Prothean SHOULD be important otherwise they shouldn't have bothered bringing one back.

[V1per7]

Commodore Q wrote...

I can imagine bioware saying sorry by giving everyone free copy of a game, Like when DA2 was crap and they gave everyone a copy of ME2... I'd laugh if they give you a copy of DA2, 'We're sorry, here's DA2' 'FUFUFU Arghh' LOL

thanks for the lol

[MegaSovereign]

AxisEvolve wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

10$

I think it would have been more reasonable for it to be <$5. Unless it was 2-3 hours of gameplay ofcourse.

[RiouHotaru]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

That or maybe BioWare should stop the production of the game, and spend another 2 years changing the whole thing to make the Prothean the center of the plot (which a few on here who are raging about it not being in the retail copy are the same people who hated the idea of it when people suggested the return of the Protheans).  

I'm not trying to be a jerk.  I understand that it's a big deal, a part of the reason why I purchased the CE in the first place.

But the fact is, the game will be just fine without him.  If he was never announced, you wouldn't have cared that much that there wasn't a Prothean, as they were to our knowledge, all dead for thousands of years.

If you're against the DLC, don't buy it.  If you still want the dialogue he provides, there are resources to do so, such as YouTube and the Mass Effect Wiki.  Not buying the DLC will show how bad a decision it was if you believe it so.

But not buying the retail game that isn't affected by the DLC in any negative way?  That's just hurting the development team that has tried appeasing this group than we all would admit to, while still trying to expand their player base so they can possibly make a significant profit this time around.

Sir, I wish people could be like you more.

[Takamori The Templar]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

people are vomiting Zaeed that he wasn't important and prothean is not important.
HEY GUESS WHAT IDIOTS, ZAEED CAME FOR FREE.

He also was not a selling point for the collectors edition.

Oh so if I put in the box,
ZAEED CE EDITION, now I'm authorized to charge 10 bucks (Being the same bloody content that you saw on ME2)
Stop , you are just trying too hard.

[Ravenmyste]

V1per7 wrote...

neubourn wrote...

The people have spoken BW...

So, keep the DLC as a CE exclusive, since everyone else doesnt want to buy it anyway.

done.

you dont represent "the people".

we gamer want a fair business model and this is outright wrong.

then we gamer should have bought the n7 ce rather then complain about paying a extra 10 bucks, yeah i think i speak for all the ce owners.. you all should have jumped on the boat when you first heard of the  dlc cover up when it was first told in JUNE..

sorry ship's sailed, here a quarter to go cry to someone that cares and before anyone start crying well you have money to burn , no actually i dont i saved up for this game  5-10 bucks a month to get for myself.. after paying for all my adult things that i needed to live each month

so to everyone that crying about it  damn to bad... sorry, but those are the breaks and to everyone thats crying like tb he doesnt even go into the me 2 collectors edition when if you didnt buy it you had to buy the network  then get the free dlcs after that..

be grateful that there giving you a chance to buy it... if was  a true exclusive like the dr.pepper thing and gamestop thing you wouldnt be able to get it all..

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 23 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Darji wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

So because he survived with Cryo of some **** like that this make him important? I don't think so.

I cant believe people are soo dense to not the a prothean as a HUGE deal in the whole universe. And yeah he is totally uselss because he is dumb as **** and knows nothing  about the war or prothean technology.  But yeah I see now that the people who defend this are actually people who know nothing about the story at all.

Because you assume Protheans have better tech? I don't think so even if they did it's not a Soldier who will be able to create something. You would need him to be a scientist or something like that.

really? Wow.... I am out of words here...

Yeah, I actually read parts of the script concerning the Prothean, he doesn't do anything special.

[N7Infernox]

Texaboose wrote...

I wonder what would have happened if EA sold all copies of ME3 for $70 (not Bioware, since they don't determine price), and included Prothy with it, would there be this debate?

No, we'd be debating as to why we were paying an extra $10 for no reason.

Modifié par N7Infernox, 23 février 2012 - 12:57 .

[Paragon Auducan]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

chengthao wrote...


And people that don't stand up and say I have had enough will allow
companies to continue this shady business practice again and again which
hurts all consurmers in the end.

If people are so flacid to not speak out against this BS then theres no hope for anything to change.

That is a valid point of view but if you are going to do so then you need to stand up and protest against ALL Instances of such practices not a single issue. Protesting a single issue because its relevant to your personal interest while ignoring the same thing that happens thousands of time a day in thousands of other places is hypocritical and just demeans the strength of your argument.

So two wrongs make a right?

NO ONE has said anything about this kind of thing being ok in other instances

None of the people crying for boycots are out asking people to boycott other instances of unfair business models either.

How on earth do you know? Are you a stalker?

[PinkFloydMan73]

Wevyc wrote...

Tyrium wrote...

You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.!

Wrong.  Collector's Editions should not have ANY additional in game content ever.  You may not find things like soudntracks, art books, figurines, posters, etc. to be worth the extra cost but plenty of people do.

I realize this is hardly the first time this has happened, but that doesn't make it right.

I agree 100%. Personally, I would rather have the bonuses that come with a CE be entirely real-world content: shirts, figurines, posters, art books, soundtracks, models, pins, patches, etc. For my extra $20, I'd rather have something substantive that I can actually hold in my hands.

[aksoileau]

The prothean is probably a minor character because only Shepard should understand him because of the beacon. They can't hook a translator to a language no one knows. Plus everywhere you'd go npc's would be wide eyed. I doubt theyd write all that in the game. It would be legion walking around ME2 times a million. It's probably a private mission with just Shepard.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yuoaman wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

This DLC, in a nutshell, is ME3's equivalent of Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian. Hardly a new thing, so I don't really see the issue. But whatever.

Except Sebastian had a fairly major role. And the Prothean is the last surviving member of a species that's played a pivotal role in the series thus far... Yeah...

I actually do find it a bit odd how the Prothean is apparently unimportant to the story given what you stated. Not going to lie about that. The main point stands, though: it's Day 1 DLC just like any BioWare has released in recent years.

[El Ejcovero]

phantomdragoness wrote...

Imagine if no DLC were offered ever again. Another uproar, and yet another great rift will occur in the BioWare forums.

Good times.

I would be good with that, since I find withholding content on day one to be unacceptable and unethical. I don't want DLC, I want expansions, like back in the day when they were actually expanding the game with new content.

[RiouHotaru]

MegaSovereign wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

10$

I think it would have been more reasonable for it to be <$5. Unless it was 2-3 hours of gameplay ofcourse.

It's a squad-member, a mission a weapon and an alternate appearance for EVERY squad-member.

That's worth 10 bucks to me.  Kasumi cost the same too.

[Cyberendo]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

This DLC, in a nutshell, is ME3's equivalent of Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian. Hardly a new thing, so I don't really see the issue. But whatever.

Shale and Zaeed were free if you bought the game new, this is not the same

[kelton312]

Decided to not cancel my pre-order on PC for two reasons: A. I pre-ordered during the BF3 bonus and will be selling my code for 30$, B. I will be purchasing me3 just like 1 & 2 because of my support for Bioware, but will be obtaining a copy to play through by "other means" to experience the full content of the game.

I believe in how the company CDProjekt operates, they release a game at 50$ and continue to release all DLC for their game for free. This in turn gives consumers benefit and adds trust in the name/company.

Bottom line, DLC should be free, If you don't agree, great. The rest of us will continue to oppose being nickle and dimed to death by companies who are already driving base prices of games higher over time. The more you shell out for DLC, the more companies will continue to withhold content and sell it to you post game release.

[GnusmasTHX]

aksoileau wrote...

The prothean is probably a minor character because only Shepard should understand him because of the beacon. They can't hook a translator to a language no one knows. Plus everywhere you'd go npc's would be wide eyed. I doubt theyd write all that in the game. It would be legion walking around ME2 times a million. It's probably a private mission with just Shepard.

Why would they need to? The Prothean's can speak English and therefore every language in the galaxy, the people don't need to speak Prothean.

[Static Jak]

In the words of Total Biscuit:

"It is the principle of including mission and character content as part of the complete code on launch and charging for it on Day 1. It could be the lamest character in the world or the most vital thing ever, the principle remains the same.

Non-cosmetic Day 1 launch paid DLC is unacceptable in all games."

[AxisEvolve]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
(since the Prothean wasn't a part of the narrative)

Except he was.

[RiouHotaru]

[quote]El Ejcovero wrote...

[/quote]

I would be good with that, since I find withholding content on day one to be unacceptable and unethical. I don't want DLC, I want expansions, like back in the day when they were actually expanding the game with new content.


[/quote]
Except expansions could take years, and cost the same as a full-price game almost, while not having content equal to that cost.  Tsk tsk, good sir.  Another post from me, to match you.

[quote]Stanley Woo wrote...
Usually, DLC is developed late in production by either a different team or by some of the original team who may not be needed for the main game anymore. Writers and some designers, for example, are most needed at the start and the middle of production, and less so at the end of a project.

Because it is a bonus and an extra, it has a slightly lower priority than the main game. The main game has to be content-locked and the game sent for certification anywhere between 2-8 weeks before the street date. If a game fails certification, whatever caused it to fail must get fixed, which means the entire thing must be tested again. The game must be certified all over again from the beginning because the game on disc has changed.

During the certification process, some folks can be working on a day 1 patch or moved to other projects (they're certainly not sitting idle). They could also be working to finish the DLC that will be made available on day 1. Because it is downloadable content, there is no physical media to manufacture and distribute, which means the DLC can be finished closer to the street date. It still has to be certified, but the process is much faster because it is a) not on physical media and much, much smaller than a full-sized game. Appearance packs and weapons are compartively smaller and simpler than story and character-based DLC, and people and effort are scheduled accordingly.

So, like a meal order in a kitchen, the team tries to schedule things so that everything is finished in time to come out together.
[/quote] 

[nightlordv]

kelton312 wrote...

Decided to not cancel my pre-order on PC for two reasons: A. I pre-ordered during the BF3 bonus and will be selling my code for 30$, B. I will be purchasing me3 just like 1 & 2 because of my support for Bioware, but will be obtaining a copy to play through by "other means" to experience the full content of the game.

I believe in how the company CDProjekt operates, they release a game at 50$ and continue to release all DLC for their game for free. This in turn gives consumers benefit and adds trust in the name/company.

Bottom line, DLC should be free, If you don't agree, great. The rest of us will continue to oppose being nickle and dimed to death by companies who are already driving base prices of games higher over time. The more you shell out for DLC, the more companies will continue to withhold content and sell it to you post game release.

Well spoken good sir. I agree 100%