XxKradosxX wrote...
bioware just messaged meand said you could have all of this if you jumped off a 300 ft cliff head first withought a parachute.
Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 février 2012 - 04:56 .
Joessit wrote...
He is correct though
JakeMacDon wrote...
OKAY, BIOWARE!
I've changed my mind! As a CE God Tier, this is what I want, demand and insist on:
FIRST: I want another Protheepack to go along with the one already in my Majestic CE. That's right - I want TWO of them and I want it FREE. You owe me! I have been one of the very few people actually buying EA's and Bioware's product and by all the Gods, I'd better get what I want. My money talks and your bullsh!t walks.
SECOND: Since MP is part of my ME experience, I want all my online time free and I want all the unlocks in it NOW. I paid for this damn content and even though I don't care to play it nor am I going to, to not have my RIGHTFUL CONTENT diminishes my experience! I don't care if it's not directly related to SP content - I have a right to it!!! So snap to - get busy!
THIRD: I also want all the preorder bonuses! ALL of them, no matter what outlet offers them. One less gun is less content and I deserve my complete experience!
FOURTH: I want all the above early! I paid a lot for it, and by Jeebus I should have it when I want it! Not when you lazy thieves arbitrarily decide I should have it! YOU GOT SOME NERVE. Who told you you could decide how long I have to wait, huh?
Well?
Nothing less than complete and utter compliance will satisfy me and there are no counterarguments that I will pay any attention to, skim past or take out of context that will convince me of the rightness of my glorious crusade! Give me what I righteously demand - and deserve - or I will post THE most scathing uninformed video blog in the history of humanity.
You've been warned, Bioware.
I'll be watching you.
well then i appologize to him but it didnt sound sarcastic lol:innocent:nightcobra8928 wrote...
XxKradosxX wrote...
bioware just messaged meand said you could have all of this if you jumped off a 300 ft cliff head first withought a parachute.
he was being sarcastic in favor of your "side" of the argument.
but if you want to fight amongst yourselves, be my guest. less to deal with^_^
Blarty wrote...
How to annoy BSN - simultaneously agree and expose holes in everyone's opinions, no matter which side they ascribe to.....
Indeed, for example no one commented on the below at all. Yet everyone seems willing to speculate on things that are not fact.Blarty wrote...
How to annoy BSN - simultaneously agree and expose holes in everyone's opinions, no matter which side they ascribe to.....
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.BTCentral wrote...
I think what a lot of people fail to realise, is that in the past free character etc. DLC was part of EA's "project ten dollar" initiative - the incentive to buy the game new.
Over time, project ten dollar has evolved - and now pretty much any EA game with online multiplayer seems to get a "free" online pass as the project ten dollar content instead of DLC with the exception of CEs, Limited Editions, etc. - for example, Dead Space 2.
In effect, the bonus content you are getting here for buying the game new is the multiplayer access aka the "Galaxy at War" code.
Now, obviously some people would have preferred the DLC instead of multiplayer access, but at the end of the day EA is the publisher and they decide what they do/do not charge for.
Personally, as soon as multiplayer was announced, I thought "well, there's the project ten dollar content" and assumed that people that pre-ordered the SE would not be getting bonus DLC this time (again, based on past games) - this is something I took into account when pre-ordering the CE, as I assumed that said character DLC would be paid content for everyone else, if released seperately at all.
Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 05:15 .
MissOuJ wrote...
DNF was a bad game, but as far as I know, people were able to finish it (that is, if they actually cared to finish it). Minecraft is an indie title - and a "creativity sandbox" sort of game, so I wouldn't call it unfinished. I haven't played W2, but (again, AFAIK) it is possible to finish it. Hence, passed certification = complete game.
Of course there's lot more to certification than "is it actially physically possible to finish it", but you get what I'm getting at.
BTCentral wrote...
Indeed, for example no one commented on the below at all.Blarty wrote...
How to annoy BSN - simultaneously agree and expose holes in everyone's opinions, no matter which side they ascribe to.....Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.BTCentral wrote...
I think what a lot of people fail to realise, is that in the past free character etc. DLC was part of EA's "project ten dollar" initiative - the incentive to buy the game new.
Over time, project ten dollar has evolved - and now pretty much any EA game with online multiplayer seems to get a "free" online pass as the project ten dollar content instead of DLC with the exception of CEs, Limited Editions, etc. - for example, Dead Space 2.
In effect, the bonus content you are getting here for buying the game new is the multiplayer access aka the "Galaxy at War" code.
Now, obviously some people would have preferred the DLC instead of multiplayer access, but at the end of the day EA is the publisher and they decide what they do/do not charge for.
Personally, as soon as multiplayer was announced, I thought "well, there's the project ten dollar content" and assumed that people that pre-ordered the SE would not be getting bonus DLC this time (again, based on past games) - this is something I took into account when pre-ordering the CE, as I assumed that said character DLC would be paid content for everyone else, if released seperately at all.
We are analyzing current information given by TK ELTK EL wrote...
NeonAnderson wrote...
standard edition pre-order cancelled.
Enjoy one less sale BioWare...
I will only pre-order again once BioWare announces that this DLC will be available for everyone who buys it new (like it was with ME2).
So what it's a separate development team, you will get plenty of sales to fund them as well.
It's going to be finished at day 1, meaning it should be in all editions of the game. It not being there no matter what team developed it, simply means you cut it out (or intentionally have not put it in) some editions of the game.
Just as you said, the CE edition is already almost sold out before this content was even announced. So it changes nothing to keep this content out of the standard edition.
Also very interesting:
Clueless
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Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 05:21 .
BaronIveagh wrote...
MissOuJ wrote...
DNF was a bad game, but as far as I know, people were able to finish it (that is, if they actually cared to finish it). Minecraft is an indie title - and a "creativity sandbox" sort of game, so I wouldn't call it unfinished. I haven't played W2, but (again, AFAIK) it is possible to finish it. Hence, passed certification = complete game.
Of course there's lot more to certification than "is it actially physically possible to finish it", but you get what I'm getting at.
I've mulled this over for a few hours, and I admit that games that are not Episodic content, and that did not have thier ending 'on disc' are rare. However, games that were unfinished to the point that getting to that ending (or any ending) without a guide and a lot of luck do exist (the aformentioned Bloodlines being the one most prominent in my mind. When it shipped, the game actually could not be completed, and the programmers worked without pay following the collapse of Troika to issue at least one patch for it, fans have since released soemthing like 43 patches. including restoring cut content.)
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
GnusmasTHX wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
I wish I could find that Saturday Night Live skit with Daniel Radcliffe on internet celebrities.
It's so goddamn appropriate for this.
BTCentral wrote...
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.
Blarty wrote...
But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I'm just tired at this **** thread going in circles. We already dealt with the TB issue, the cut content issue, etc. and began to actually focus on the real and not assumed problem...and suddenly we're back to page 50 in the thread with the same BS arguments between everyone and with the same BS evidence that is based on assumptions and opinions.
Point being: we aren't going to be able to provide feedback to BioWare if we're using logical fallacies and false information to drive our point to them.
BaronIveagh wrote...
BTCentral wrote...
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.
I've never said in the course of thise that people shoud get free DLC. My statement is that the DLC was excised from the core game to make DLC at some point in the pre-production or production stage, knowing full well that players who werre more interested in the RPG elements of hte game would rush out and buy it because, up till now, Protheans have been one of the most important plot elements in the game, and the story had rather built them up over the series.Protheans, for example, still know more about the Mass Relays then any other species.
To say that a live prothean would have no effect at all on the story is sort of absurd.
If the day one DLC was anything else, I would have no problem with it. But no matter how you slice it, you're chopping big story content here.
Blarty wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......
But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be
Xellana wrote...
What I still don´t understand is why a company has to do this to make the most revenue, as many people here are implying.
If you take Skyrim for example. They never charged for anything they did after going gold.
And the company made a **** ton of money with it.
I really think, if your game is really good (like I think ME1 and 2 are and 3 will be), you don´t need this and you will make MORE money if you don´t f*** with your customers.
I think Bathesda has an incredible basis for their next game, because they gained so much loyal fans with skyrim and their creation kit embedded in the steam workshop free of charge. Their next game will sell even better.
I don´t think Bioware/EA will make much money with this DLC. As I have the impression, maybe a few thousand people will not buy the game because of this.
This is not much considering millions will buy the game, but even if it´s just say 10000 people, they loose close to a million dollar. And the DLC will not produce that much more revenue.
And when their next game is released, they will have many people who don´t buy their games anymore. In the long run (!), I fail to see this as a very profitable business model.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Blarty wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......
But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be
What Casey and Mike said line up with the TLK files, both the audio, markers, and script, as well as what had been said throughout the development process. So I believe in what they told us. However, what they told us doesn't answere the simple question: If this was for the fans, why are we having to pay $10 more on the same day as a $60+ dollar game (depending on your region)? Seems more like taking advantage of what the fans want then actual fan service.
I have the sources to know that this character and mission isn't important and wasn't cut from the game during primary production. But that doesn't matter, because that character and what takes place will be important to the fans, because they won't be just hearing some lore like they will be in the full game...they will actually experience it in a certain way that the game doesn't provide.
So if this is supposed to be an offering focused on the fans because they thought we'd love it, then why does it feel more like they're taking advantage of that fact (which they, at least EA, are).
Blarty wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......
But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Back, and I see now we're still arguing if he's important or not. This has been answered again and again. His role is nothing extravagant or even meaningful to ME3. He doesn't affect anything in the main game, nor adds any lore that you can't find elsewhere in the game. Javik just provides a more...let's say personal take on that lore...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Details that I can share: You get a message through Alliance Command to go to Eden Prime. You arrive there and meet Javik eventually. Javik explains his purpose, on why he was put in stasis and why he was on that particular planet. His way of explaining is not only through speech, but through the same method the beacon and Liara can communicate. He will join your squad and be available for the rest of the game. He will have squad banter with the rest of your squad, though the banter with Liara is the most interesting and informative, as reveals some mysteries of the Asari race.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Get over the fact that he isn't. You can't change the writing of the game. Arguing whether or not it was the right choice that BioWare made is a distraction of the actual problem, which is the fact that the Prothean is a core interest to all fans of the series and is being used to make a quick buck at launch when we are already paying $60+ that day.
And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.
DA is very relevant from a marketing/production/dlc stand point. Both games are developed by the same company and marketed by the same company. Seeing similar tactics fail in one senario are and yet seeing those same tactics repeated again begs the question...why are these things being done and how are bioware/ea being allowed to get away with it?ArkkAngel007 wrote...
DAII is also irrelevant. Different team, different development environment, etc; and has little to nothing to do with what we are discussing. The only thing that may be relevant is the Sebastion DLC, but then again it isn't as well.
Hope that clears a few points up. Now back to kicking this thing in the teeth.
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