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[wrdnshprd]

BaronIveagh wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.

I've never said in the course of thise that people shoud get free DLC.  My statement is that the DLC was excised from the core game to make DLC at some point in the pre-production or production stage, knowing full well that players who werre more interested in the RPG elements of hte game would rush out and buy it because, up till now, Protheans have been one of the most important plot elements in the game, and the story had rather built them up over the series.Protheans, for example, still know more about the Mass Relays then any other species. 

To say that a live prothean would have no effect at all on the story is sort of absurd.

If the day one DLC was anything else, I would have no problem with it.  But no matter how you slice it, you're chopping big story content here.

imo it really shouldnt matter how 'important' the day 1 dlc actually is.  story driven content is story driven content.. regardless of what it actually cotains.  as far as im concerned ALL story driven content should be accessible by ALL who purchase the game REGARDLESS of version. 

thats how all video game companies worked in the past, and how most work now.  and the only reason why its gotten to this point is because WE ALLOWED IT TO, including myself. 

as ive stated many times in this thread, ill be purchasing mass effect 3.  its the third game of the series, and ive already invested my time in the previous 2 games.  thus, i want to see how the story ends.  but you can bet i wont  be supporting bioware in the future if they continue down this path.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Xellana wrote...

What I still don´t understand is why a company has to do this to make the most revenue, as many people here are implying.
If you take Skyrim for example. They never charged for anything they did after going gold.
And the company made a **** ton of money with it.
I really think, if your game is really good (like I think ME1 and 2 are and 3 will be), you don´t need this and you will make MORE money if you don´t f*** with your customers.

I think Bathesda has an incredible basis for their next game, because they gained so much loyal fans with skyrim and their creation kit embedded in the steam workshop free of charge. Their next game will sell even better.

I don´t think Bioware/EA will make much money with this DLC. As I have the impression, maybe a few thousand people will not buy the game because of this.
This is not much considering millions will buy the game, but even if it´s just say 10000 people, they loose close to a million dollar. And the DLC will not produce that much more revenue.

And when their next game is released, they will have many people who don´t buy their games anymore. In the long run (!), I fail to see this as a very profitable business model.

Out of context, like Witcher 2, Skyrim made a big f-up as far as quality with their original. They were in a rock in a hard place as far as the PS3 version. 


You're supposed to make different editions of the game with enough appeal to be worth it. The Standard Edition is worth it. The Collector Edition is worth it (more than MANY, MANY, MANY CE that's out there), AND the DLC is worth it was far as what you get vs. previous efforts by Bioware AND other games that are out there with their DLC.


Your job as a person who make creative properties for a living for money is to improve from past efforts and make more money...

^This , again it's not a personal attack it's just buisness.Every year you need to make more money than you did last year to stay alive.

[Kithrus]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.

See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......

But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be

What Casey and Mike said line up with the TLK files, both the audio, markers, and script, as well as what had been said throughout the development process.  So I believe in what they told us.  However, what they told us doesn't answere the simple question:  If this was for the fans, why are we having to pay $10 more on the same day as a $60+ dollar game (depending on your region)?  Seems more like taking advantage of what the fans want then actual fan service.

I have the sources to know that this character and mission isn't important and wasn't cut from the game during primary production.  But that doesn't matter, because that character and what takes place will be important to the fans, because they won't be just hearing some lore like they will be in the full game...they will actually experience it in a certain way that the game doesn't provide.

So if this is supposed to be an offering focused on the fans because they thought we'd love it, then why does it feel more like they're taking advantage of that fact (which they, at least EA, are).

They are taking advantage because they know this dlc will make them a lot of profit.I really can't blame them for doing it , despite the fact that it's pretty underhanded.

I'm willing to meet Bioware halfway. It wasn't the best move but whats done is done. I can overlook this whole debocal if they can agknowlege they were being greeding but appease the CE DE crowd by just lowering the price of the DLC say 2-5 bucks/euro/pounds ect.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I'm just tired at this **** thread going in circles.  We already dealt with the TB issue, the cut content issue, etc. and began to actually focus on the real and not assumed problem...and suddenly we're back to page 50 in the thread with the same BS arguments between everyone and with the same BS evidence that is based on assumptions and opinions. 

Point being: we aren't going to be able to provide feedback to BioWare if we're using logical fallacies and false information to drive our point to them.

Ok, Ark, for clarity's sake, because this thread is going in circles becasue it's moving too fast to read everyone's posts, what do you feel is the major issue?

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

[nightcobra]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.

See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......

But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be

 

I take no buisness's   word at face value... Bioware is buisness  both   Casey Hudson and Mike Gamble work for that buiness.  Nor should have I have too ... 

You know Joker can sum how I feel nicely..

"I don't trust anyone with a higher pay grade then me..."

and garrus too

shepard: how did you get them all to hate you?

garrus: it wasn't eeasy, i reeeally had to work at it.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 février 2012 - 05:42 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

wrdnshprd wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.

I've never said in the course of thise that people shoud get free DLC.  My statement is that the DLC was excised from the core game to make DLC at some point in the pre-production or production stage, knowing full well that players who werre more interested in the RPG elements of hte game would rush out and buy it because, up till now, Protheans have been one of the most important plot elements in the game, and the story had rather built them up over the series.Protheans, for example, still know more about the Mass Relays then any other species. 

To say that a live prothean would have no effect at all on the story is sort of absurd.

If the day one DLC was anything else, I would have no problem with it.  But no matter how you slice it, you're chopping big story content here.

imo it really shouldnt matter how 'important' the day 1 dlc actually is.  story driven content is story driven content.. regardless of what it actually cotains.  as far as im concerned ALL story driven content should be accessible by ALL who purchase the game REGARDLESS of version. 

thats how all video game companies worked in the past, and how most work now.  and the only reason why its gotten to this point is because WE ALLOWED IT TO, including myself. 

as ive stated many times in this thread, ill be purchasing mass effect 3.  its the third game of the series, and ive already invested my time in the previous 2 games.  thus, i want to see how the story ends.  but you can bet i wont  be supporting bioware in the future if they continue down this path.

But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

[Kevin Lozandier]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I'm just tired at this **** thread going in circles.  We already dealt with the TB issue, the cut content issue, etc. and began to actually focus on the real and not assumed problem...and suddenly we're back to page 50 in the thread with the same BS arguments between everyone and with the same BS evidence that is based on assumptions and opinions. 

Point being: we aren't going to be able to provide feedback to BioWare if we're using logical fallacies and false information to drive our point to them.

Ok, Ark, for clarity's sake, because this thread is going in circles becasue it's moving too fast to read everyone's posts, what do you feel is the major issue?

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Majority aren't always right, ask the great philosopher Rawls. especially if they have no experience with actual game developement processes but rather talking mostly in a perspective of being consumers rather than thinking more about how things they like get made and what struggles that aren't focused on their happiness being met a game must overcome to be the fun games that they are.....

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kithrus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.

See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......

But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be

What Casey and Mike said line up with the TLK files, both the audio, markers, and script, as well as what had been said throughout the development process.  So I believe in what they told us.  However, what they told us doesn't answere the simple question:  If this was for the fans, why are we having to pay $10 more on the same day as a $60+ dollar game (depending on your region)?  Seems more like taking advantage of what the fans want then actual fan service.

I have the sources to know that this character and mission isn't important and wasn't cut from the game during primary production.  But that doesn't matter, because that character and what takes place will be important to the fans, because they won't be just hearing some lore like they will be in the full game...they will actually experience it in a certain way that the game doesn't provide.

So if this is supposed to be an offering focused on the fans because they thought we'd love it, then why does it feel more like they're taking advantage of that fact (which they, at least EA, are).

They are taking advantage because they know this dlc will make them a lot of profit.I really can't blame them for doing it , despite the fact that it's pretty underhanded.

I'm willing to meet Bioware halfway. It wasn't the best move but whats done is done. I can overlook this whole debocal if they can agknowlege they were being greeding but appease the CE DE crowd by just lowering the price of the DLC say 2-5 bucks/euro/pounds ect.

Ok , but that's like asking someone in whatever goverment to admit they did wrong.Their not lowering the price because its locked in.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.

I've never said in the course of thise that people shoud get free DLC.  My statement is that the DLC was excised from the core game to make DLC at some point in the pre-production or production stage, knowing full well that players who werre more interested in the RPG elements of hte game would rush out and buy it because, up till now, Protheans have been one of the most important plot elements in the game, and the story had rather built them up over the series.Protheans, for example, still know more about the Mass Relays then any other species. 

To say that a live prothean would have no effect at all on the story is sort of absurd.

If the day one DLC was anything else, I would have no problem with it.  But no matter how you slice it, you're chopping big story content here.

Technically a Prothean was taken out due to issues with the plot.  Javik himself was added in later to take advantage of us.

And again, that's our opinion that a Prothean in the story should be the monumental event.  Yet it wasn't written that way.  That's why this whole debate about the Prothean itself is a waste of time and misinformed, because no matter how we feel it could have been, it won't change how the game and DLC were actually written.

[Kithrus]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And I'll make this clear about TB. His concerns are valid, but believing it's cut content and implying to his viewers to just straight up boycott the whole game are wrong and extreme, respectively. You have to understand that just because some guy has a popular YouTube page doesn't mean and has a strong opinion doesn't mean he's some type of official or informed figure. His was a quick, emotional response using the information he had at the time.

See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......

But here's the thing...... I don't believe EITHER OF THEM..... And i wont until I see it and find out for myself, then I'll start contributing to a storm of vitriol that has an actual provable basis in fact, or not as the case may be

What Casey and Mike said line up with the TLK files, both the audio, markers, and script, as well as what had been said throughout the development process.  So I believe in what they told us.  However, what they told us doesn't answere the simple question:  If this was for the fans, why are we having to pay $10 more on the same day as a $60+ dollar game (depending on your region)?  Seems more like taking advantage of what the fans want then actual fan service.

I have the sources to know that this character and mission isn't important and wasn't cut from the game during primary production.  But that doesn't matter, because that character and what takes place will be important to the fans, because they won't be just hearing some lore like they will be in the full game...they will actually experience it in a certain way that the game doesn't provide.

So if this is supposed to be an offering focused on the fans because they thought we'd love it, then why does it feel more like they're taking advantage of that fact (which they, at least EA, are).

They are taking advantage because they know this dlc will make them a lot of profit.I really can't blame them for doing it , despite the fact that it's pretty underhanded.

I'm willing to meet Bioware halfway. It wasn't the best move but whats done is done. I can overlook this whole debocal if they can agknowlege they were being greeding but appease the CE DE crowd by just lowering the price of the DLC say 2-5 bucks/euro/pounds ect.

Ok , but that's like asking someone in whatever goverment to admit they did wrong.Their not lowering the price because its locked in.

there is still time. Bioware knows they pissed off customers and they know they lost sales. I think agnowleging it is the best way to make people like me buy the game again or any other title.

[ArkkAngel007]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , but that's like asking someone in whatever goverment to admit they did wrong.Their not lowering the price because its locked in.

Yeah, that's the rub to the whole solution process.  If BioWare decides to try and lower the price due to this whole debacle, they can't just do it on a whim.  They have to consult EA, Microsoft, and Sony on the issue, as they all are expecting to receive a profit from this.  If those services decide no dice, then BioWare can't do anything.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 05:48 .

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

[MissOuJ]

BaronIveagh wrote...

I've mulled this over for a few hours, and I admit that games that are not Episodic content, and that did not have thier ending 'on disc' are rare.  However, games that were unfinished to the point that getting to that ending (or any ending) without a guide and a lot of luck do exist (the aformentioned Bloodlines being the one most prominent in my mind.  When it shipped, the game actually could not be completed, and the programmers worked without pay following the collapse of Troika to issue at least one patch for it, fans have since released soemthing like 43 patches. including restoring cut content.)

That is horrible and unethical business practise and just plain poor game design - and if that's the case with either ME3 as a whole or any of the future DLC's (From Ashes included), I'm completely with you guys.

But what we seem to have here is the old Day-1 DLC discussion which has been had over and over again, and the fact of the matter still is that if people keep buying DLC, companies keep making and planning DLC. I'm personally completely fine with that, since I can buy the core game cheap(er) and pay for the extra content as I go - if I feel inclined and if I have the money.

And even if DLC just went away, developers would come up with new ways of getting that money - and I can't blame them: the whole used game market really screws them over, and they have to come up with a way to cover the (ever growing) costs of designing and publishing triple-A games. I like my games (particularly BioWare games) so I'm willing to pay. I'm aware some people disagree.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Agreed.  I'm sure if it was a known figure like Conrad, there may have been issues.  But if this was someone like Kahlee that hardly anyone knows, or just another random character like Zaeed, there wouldn't have been much of an issue, because fans don't have invested interest as they do with Javik.

[Tar-Minastir]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , but that's like asking someone in whatever goverment to admit they did wrong.Their not lowering the price because its locked in.

Yeah, that's the rub to the whole solution.  If BioWare decides to try and lower the price due to this whole debacle, they can't just do it on a whim.  They have to consult EA, Microsoft, and Sony on the issue, as they all are expecting to receive a profit from this.  If those services decide no dice, then BioWare can't do anything.

It will come down to whether they think the 10$ dlc will make up for the angry ppl that will end up pirating, buying used, renting, delaying thier purchase, waiting for a sale, or jus not buying.

If category A brings in more than category B then nothing will change.  If B is greater than A something may be changed.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kithrus wrote...

there is still time. Bioware knows they pissed off customers and they know they lost sales. I think agnowleging it is the best way to make people like me buy the game again or any other title.

They don't think they made the whole fanbase mad and they haven't.It's only a few people on here who are mad and angry/mad enough to cancel their pre-order.Bioware's laughing all the way to the bank on this one.

[Kevin Lozandier]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Are you kidding me?

You're essentialy saying DLC can't be awesome. You're saying that final trilogy games can't have additional content not core to the game but would make a long-time fan warm inside knowing most of the lore that not everyone would be able to appreciate because the later versions of the game were introduced late to other consoles.

You're saying Collector Editions should never have content like back in the day that made them very valuable and worth a lot to long-time fans who invest in them and would make it highly desired by long-time fans that might like it to the point that they feel like they love for the universe would not be complete without them. Something that THEY made up for themselves....

[Kithrus]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

there is still time. Bioware knows they pissed off customers and they know they lost sales. I think agnowleging it is the best way to make people like me buy the game again or any other title.

They don't think they made the whole fanbase mad and they haven't.It's only a few people on here who are mad and angry/mad enough to cancel their pre-order.Bioware's laughing all the way to the bank on this one.

Maybe, I can admit I'm a minority however people leaving a company's fanbase starts with one person and this can become a festering wound if something isn't done soon. Maybe this isn't enough to remove more then .5% of the fans but next time maybe they loss more when they pull a worse stunt. Then maybe those unlike yourself who feel nothing will change begin to see maybe that .5% were right.

Every bleedout starts with a drop of blood.

Modifié par Kithrus, 25 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Agreed.  I'm sure if it was a known figure like Conrad, there may have been issues.  But if this was someone like Kahlee that hardly anyone knows, or just another random character like Zaeed, there wouldn't have been much of an issue, because fans don't have invested interest as they do with Javik.

Kahlee would have been awesome - Though I'm sure that would have caused some issues as well.  I've pretty much been avoiding the forums since last summer to try and stay away from spoilers.  So, I missed the whole reveal 9 months back and when I ordered the CE I assumed I'd be getting another Zaeed or Kasumi.  Well, the art book spoiled that for me.  Marketing wise, it's a smart move by Bioware.  But, as a service to their core fans, it's crap.  We're all here because we love the games, we've spent hundreds of hours playing them, we've spent hundreds of dollars purchasing content for them, and now we've spent 370 pages arguing over $10.  It's sad.

Modifié par obie191970, 25 février 2012 - 06:01 .

[BaronIveagh]

MissOuJ wrote...

That is horrible and unethical business practise and just plain poor game design - and if that's the case with either ME3 as a whole or any of the future DLC's (From Ashes included), I'm completely with you guys.

It was caused by a sort of perfect storm of publisher interference, the owners of the engine issuing demands, the license being up for renewal, and the studio's own financial troubles.  It's still seen as one of the best WoD game ever made, but that's largely due to fans patching it to repair the damage to an otherwise brilliant game.


As far as the issue with DLC, there are only a limited number of ways that a video game company can legally and ethically take your money.  Sadly, EA is not known for following either the law or ethics.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 06:04 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kithrus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

there is still time. Bioware knows they pissed off customers and they know they lost sales. I think agnowleging it is the best way to make people like me buy the game again or any other title.

They don't think they made the whole fanbase mad and they haven't.It's only a few people on here who are mad and angry/mad enough to cancel their pre-order.Bioware's laughing all the way to the bank on this one.

Maybe, I can admit I'm a minority however people leaving a company's fanbase starts with one person and this can become a festering wound if something isn't done soon. Maybe this isn't enough to remove more then .5% of the fans but next time maybe they loss more when they pull a worse stunt. Then maybe those unlike yourself who feel nothing will change begin to see maybe that .5% were right.

Every bleedout starts with a drop of blood.

I'm not saying it's completly pointless , but as of now for this game it is because it's guranteed to have already sold a million.I'm saying you have a chance on future EA titles like ME4(which I don't plan on getting unless I'm shown something that interests me).

[RDSFirebane]

Kithrus wrote...

there is still time. Bioware knows they pissed off customers and they know they lost sales. I think agnowleging it is the best way to make people like me buy the game again or any other title.

Really depends on how many sells i doubt this uproar caused much of a dent... just like thouse future titles you might not buy will be designed to find new fans just like 3 was so ya....

[BaronIveagh]

Kithrus wrote...


Maybe, I can admit I'm a minority however people leaving a company's fanbase starts with one person and this can become a festering wound if something isn't done soon. Maybe this isn't enough to remove more then .5% of the fans but next time maybe they loss more when they pull a worse stunt. Then maybe those unlike yourself who feel nothing will change begin to see maybe that .5% were right.

Every bleedout starts with a drop of blood.

Remember that there is still some time before launch, and the controversy is starting to bubble up to the media, which may mean additional lost sales as it spreads out of just the 'videogame' area of journalism.

[MissOuJ]

BaronIveagh wrote...

As far as the issue with DLC, there are only a limited number of ways that a videogame compnay can legally and ethically take your money.  Sadly, EA is not known for following either the law or ethics.

I hate EA and most of their practises myself and I think their ethics are somewhere between minuscule and non-existent, but I've never heard of them breaking any laws. What have they done?

[obie191970]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Kithrus wrote...


Maybe, I can admit I'm a minority however people leaving a company's fanbase starts with one person and this can become a festering wound if something isn't done soon. Maybe this isn't enough to remove more then .5% of the fans but next time maybe they loss more when they pull a worse stunt. Then maybe those unlike yourself who feel nothing will change begin to see maybe that .5% were right.

Every bleedout starts with a drop of blood.

Remember that there is still some time before launch, and the controversy is starting to bubble up to the media, which may mean additional lost sales as it spreads out of just the 'videogame' area of journalism.

All press is good press.  Controversy sells.