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[ArkkAngel007]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

*snip*

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

 

Okay. I was going to ask you any what was the clear issue... I'll fall in with  this stance...  The whole  Collectors Edition exclusive deal bugs me.. does not mattter if it  was  a Prothean or  a  Vorcha but thats a detail with in the whole matter that can be ironed out. The bigger issues is  just as you discribed it and absolutely needs to be addressed.

They could have waited to tell everyone on launch day after everyone had been charged/paid for the game.

 pretty much sums it up.

[Kevin Lozandier]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Are you kidding me?

You're essentialy saying DLC can't be awesome. You're saying that final trilogy games can't have additional content not core to the game but would make a long-time fan warm inside knowing most of the lore that not everyone would be able to appreciate because the later versions of the game were introduced late to other consoles.

You're saying Collector Editions should never have content like back in the day that made them very valuable and worth a lot to long-time fans who invest in them and would make it highly desired by long-time fans that might like it to the point that they feel like they love for the universe would not be complete without them. Something that THEY made up for themselves....

That's not what I, or even most of us who have been following this closely and heavily involved, are saying.

This content will be really cool, and it will surprise a lot of people in what they get to experience.  It will be cool to have a Prothean squadmate (who may or may not be a Vanguard, can't tell since that would be in the TLK files of the DLC, not the game) and go back to Eden Prime...even way, way back to Eden Prime.

I'm also not against the CE having this content, a CE purchaser myself.

What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

It just feels to me, as well as others, as not a fan-service that we have been told, but using that fan-service to take advantage of those fans.

If that can be cleared up and a specific message on why SE owners have to pay that amount on launch, then I will rest my case.

I think the writing was on the wall months ago, even when they announced tha there would be a bonus character and mission for CE owners. PLUS, the epic sound of it made me assume it would have to be a) A Collector or A Prothean. I was definitely hoping it wouldn't be a Batarian or something boring like that....

[RDSFirebane]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

If they were on trial the case against them would be dismissed for lack of evidence.

Actually, and humourly enough, they tried to get the case dismissed on those grounds.  California Superior Court Judge Elihu Berle ruled out EA’s claim to dismiss Activision’s $400-million contract-interference claims. The judge in Los Angeles admitted that Activision had provided sufficient evidence against EA in the aforesaid suit. Thus, the judge ordered the case to move to trial.

Can you link that plz sorry googled it to find out what your talking about but it seems Ea gets sued alot... which dosent seem to effect them one bit either way.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Are you kidding me?

You're essentialy saying DLC can't be awesome. You're saying that final trilogy games can't have additional content not core to the game but would make a long-time fan warm inside knowing most of the lore that not everyone would be able to appreciate because the later versions of the game were introduced late to other consoles.

You're saying Collector Editions should never have content like back in the day that made them very valuable and worth a lot to long-time fans who invest in them and would make it highly desired by long-time fans that might like it to the point that they feel like they love for the universe would not be complete without them. Something that THEY made up for themselves....

That's not what I, or even most of us who have been following this closely and heavily involved, are saying.

This content will be really cool, and it will surprise a lot of people in what they get to experience.  It will be cool to have a Prothean squadmate (who may or may not be a Vanguard, can't tell since that would be in the TLK files of the DLC, not the game) and go back to Eden Prime...even way, way back to Eden Prime.

I'm also not against the CE having this content, a CE purchaser myself.

What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

It just feels to me, as well as others, as not a fan-service that we have been told, but using that fan-service to take advantage of those fans.

If that can be cleared up and a specific message on why SE owners have to pay that amount on launch, then I will rest my case.

I can accept that , but the thing is the comment made on the matter will be pretty much it.Their not going to revisit and say anymore on the matter.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 06:25 .

[BaronIveagh]

MissOuJ wrote...

Ahh, this the West amd Zabella case?

An outgrowth of it.  They're suing Activsion for 36m, Acitvision is suing EA for 400m.  EA is appearently calling for thier brown pants, because there's pretty good evidence against them, if the judge was willing to let this suit move forward with those numbers.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[rainasa]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I can accept that , but the thing is the comment made on the matter will be pretty much it.Their not going to revisit and say anymore on the matter.

they dont have too, its not like they have time to give the codes out free anyway, most ME3 copies have already shipped

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

[Kevin Lozandier]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The major issue is that BioWare/EA are using something that is important to the core of fan's interest in the series to make a quick buck on the same day the same fans are paying what many would consider a large amount already for the full game that they, up until 2 weeks for launch, felt that was all that they would have to pay for in that time period on that entertainment.

That was the consensus we had 40 page or so back.  I know that this has been moving fast and I can't expect everyone to check all 360-some-odd pages to check on it.  Yet it is still frustrating that every 50 pages or so we end up repeating the whole process again.

Ok, that's close enoughto my position, I can get behind that.  AS I said before, if the DLC was anything BUT this, I'd have no problem with it.

Are you kidding me?

You're essentialy saying DLC can't be awesome. You're saying that final trilogy games can't have additional content not core to the game but would make a long-time fan warm inside knowing most of the lore that not everyone would be able to appreciate because the later versions of the game were introduced late to other consoles.

You're saying Collector Editions should never have content like back in the day that made them very valuable and worth a lot to long-time fans who invest in them and would make it highly desired by long-time fans that might like it to the point that they feel like they love for the universe would not be complete without them. Something that THEY made up for themselves....

That's not what I, or even most of us who have been following this closely and heavily involved, are saying.

This content will be really cool, and it will surprise a lot of people in what they get to experience.  It will be cool to have a Prothean squadmate (who may or may not be a Vanguard, can't tell since that would be in the TLK files of the DLC, not the game) and go back to Eden Prime...even way, way back to Eden Prime.

I'm also not against the CE having this content, a CE purchaser myself.

What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

It just feels to me, as well as others, as not a fan-service that we have been told, but using that fan-service to take advantage of those fans.

If that can be cleared up and a specific message on why SE owners have to pay that amount on launch, then I will rest my case.

Using fan-service to take advantage of those fans = Every sequel, expansion, DLC, merchandise, and extension of a franchise not in its original medium that's ever made after a original game. Heck a original game is made 80% of the time to take advantage of fans of a specific type of game that the developer felt they can exploit and make themselves happy (and rich) providing.


You must hate all major creative mediums than if you hate fan-service being used to take advantage of fans....

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 06:28 .

[wrdnshprd]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

<snip>

But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

[Gatt9]

BTCentral wrote...

Blarty wrote...

How to annoy BSN - simultaneously agree and expose holes in everyone's opinions, no matter which side they ascribe to.....

Indeed, for example no one commented on the below at all. Yet everyone seems willing to speculate on things that are not fact.

BTCentral wrote...

I think what a lot of people fail to realise, is that in the past free character etc. DLC was part of EA's "project ten dollar" initiative - the incentive to buy the game new.

Over time, project ten dollar has evolved - and now pretty much any EA game with online multiplayer seems to get a "free" online pass as the project ten dollar content instead of DLC with the exception of CEs, Limited Editions, etc. - for example, Dead Space 2.

In effect, the bonus content you are getting here for buying the game new is the multiplayer access aka the "Galaxy at War" code.

Now, obviously some people would have preferred the DLC instead of multiplayer access, but at the end of the day EA is the publisher and they decide what they do/do not charge for.

Personally, as soon as multiplayer was announced, I thought "well, there's the project ten dollar content" and assumed that people that pre-ordered the SE would not be getting bonus DLC this time (again, based on past games) - this is something I took into account when pre-ordering the CE, as I assumed that said character DLC would be paid content for everyone else, if released seperately at all.

Who'd have thought, businesses actually want to make money? Damn companies with their carrot and stick approach.

I've got no problems with companies making money.  But this all is about Used Game Buyer DRM,  and the honest consumers are being punished by being forced to pay even more for their games.  Anti-Piracy DRM is tolerable,  at least I can play my whole game.  This isn't,  it forces the honest consumer to pay $70 for the whole game,  while used game buyers get it at retail cost.

Further,  I don't think EA has a right to force the consumers to pay for the problem of used game buyers.  Take it up with Gamestop,  pull your contracts with them.  They're a game store,  if they don't have any games to sell,  they go out of buisness.

See this is the whole issue.... You won't believe Casey Hudson or Mike Gamble, who are arguably in a better position to say what the where's and whyfores are, yet you'll believe TBs point of view as actual facts to make buying decisions on two weeks before release. I actually quite like TotalBiscuit, like seeing his vids on YouTube and believe that he's pretty switched on......

Why would I believe them?  Bioware's been less than honest this whole development cycle,  and the DA2 team blamed gamers for not liking their horrible design decisions instead of taking responsibility.

I think Bathesda has an incredible basis for their next game, because they gained so much loyal fans with skyrim and their creation kit embedded in the steam workshop free of charge. Their next game will sell even better.

Bethesda shipped a game that was unplayable by a large number of buyers,  and has continued to ignore them.  Also,  the game didn't sell anywhere near as well as they want you to believe,  the math doesn't add up.

Bethesda is hands-down the worst company in gaming.  If you only knew what I know about their practices.

[AlanC9]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

[BaronIveagh]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

No, what's sad it's been explained 8 times, and you haven't bothered to read.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

He's not important it's what I'm still not getting because everyone else who's mad says otherwise.

[AlanC9]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...


I think the writing was on the wall months ago, even when they announced tha there would be a bonus character and mission for CE owners. PLUS, the epic sound of it made me assume it would have to be a) A Collector or A Prothean. I was definitely hoping it wouldn't be a Batarian or something boring like that....

Would have preferred a batarian, myself. But yeah, I'm amazed that anyone is surprised by this.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[fropas]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...


I think the writing was on the wall months ago, even when they announced tha there would be a bonus character and mission for CE owners. PLUS, the epic sound of it made me assume it would have to be a) A Collector or A Prothean. I was definitely hoping it wouldn't be a Batarian or something boring like that....

Would have preferred a batarian, myself. But yeah, I'm amazed that anyone is surprised by this.

So was I, but only so I could kill him.

[MissOuJ]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

just a part, most likely not most

like the ps3 fanbase, we didn't go blind. quite a lot of us searched out the previous game to see what it was all about and get as us much information as possible including videoclips of key moments or even full playthroughs so as to be prepared for the next game as anyone should if their first game in the series is a sequel.

I would actually almost bet on that most new people who gen on board with ME3 don't do any/much research, even if you and I did (fellow PS3 owner here!) because many people just don't care enough. Maybe they see the trailer and think "That looks cool, let's see if I can make it to GS on Tuesday"

[AlanC9]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

He's not important it's what I'm still not getting because everyone else who's mad says otherwise.

I think people mean different things when they say "important." Obviously having the DLC doesn't actually matter, since ME3 will finish just fine without it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

I think the writing was on the wall months ago, even when they announced tha there would be a bonus character and mission for CE owners. PLUS, the epic sound of it made me assume it would have to be a) A Collector or A Prothean. I was definitely hoping it wouldn't be a Batarian or something boring like that....

I knew it was a Prothean back around June, and that it was Javik and quite a few of the specifics back around August/September, whenever Microsoft initially leaked the demo.  It was one of the driving points in my purchase of the CE.

However, not everyone closely follows or spoils themselves in game details like I do, as my definition of a spoiler is different that what would be probably the majority would define one.  So not everyone, or even most, could be expected to know or 

Bottom line: SE owners want to know why a fan-service is costing them $10 on the same day they are paying $60+ for the full game.  Plain and simple.  I know most will still want it free, but I know I'd like for someone from marketing or a developer who knows to just explain that aspect of the issue.  If it's a solid explanation, then I'll relax on it.  

Fans just want some clarity on this.  If there was more clarity from the beginning instead of trying to hide it when it first got out, this wouldn't have happened, not to the same extent.  TB wouldn't have been at it, the media wouldn't be at it, and everyone would know exactly what they were getting into.

[rainasa]

AlanC9 wrote...

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

even though anyone that paided attention to ME3 new's would have bet money the squadmate was going to be javick, waiting untill 2 weeks before the launch was kinda a dick move, as it gave no time for people to provide feedback that would actually matter, unlike now, where the most the people throwing the temper trantrums will get is a pat on the back and the replay "well if you dont like it, dont buy it."

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 06:33 .

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

*snip* 



They could have waited to tell everyone on launch day after everyone had been charged/paid for the game.

 pretty much sums it up.

Its what I would have done in BIoware shoes...if you going to sneaky and slick.. at least do  right it.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

<snip>

But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

What exactly is EA getting away with ? Either you choose to buy day 1 dlc or you don't , nobody's forcing anyone to buy it.

[ArkkAngel007]

AlanC9 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

More on the timing and clarity on the content and decision behind it.  

[wrdnshprd]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
<snip>

You must hate all major creative mediums than if you hate fan-service being used to take advantage of fans....

how much of that fan service includes  charging for expansions (thats what dlc is isnt it.  a mini expansion) on LAUNCH DAY of the original game.  right, hardly any, unless you are a company if EA that is.

[Kevin Lozandier]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...


I think the writing was on the wall months ago, even when they announced tha there would be a bonus character and mission for CE owners. PLUS, the epic sound of it made me assume it would have to be a) A Collector or A Prothean. I was definitely hoping it wouldn't be a Batarian or something boring like that....

Would have preferred a batarian, myself. But yeah, I'm amazed that anyone is surprised by this.

I'm sort of interested why? Lol, Batarians are like the most hated race in Mass Effect to kick ass with I think; they're so one-dimensional. I guess one that wasn't would have been interesting. A Female Krogan could have been interesting but there's too many Krogans, to many Asaris. They need a female Salarian maybe....

All that said, people are hypocritical to have known the CE would have as far as bonuses and be angered that it's something so Awesome. It's like they expect that a Collector's Edition should have medicore DLC that only meatheads buy or something? I don't know, it's sort of great for Bioware to have something so great as DLC that hopefully pushes DLC back to Shivering Isles deep in qualty... Notice how Bethseda hasn't lowered the price on that thing (didn't buy it by the way), though that still me questionable why they haven't...

[nightcobra]

MissOuJ wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

just a part, most likely not most

like the ps3 fanbase, we didn't go blind. quite a lot of us searched out the previous game to see what it was all about and get as us much information as possible including videoclips of key moments or even full playthroughs so as to be prepared for the next game as anyone should if their first game in the series is a sequel.

I would actually almost bet on that most new people who gen on board with ME3 don't do any/much research, even if you and I did (fellow PS3 owner here!) because many people just don't care enough. Maybe they see the trailer and think "That looks cool, let's see if I can make it to GS on Tuesday"

on a fps or an action game sure, a sequel doesn't need that much research.
on a story driven game it's almost a requisite so that you can fully enjoy the woven up world by adding up some context.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 février 2012 - 06:36 .