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[Kithrus]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

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But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

What exactly is EA getting away with ? Either you choose to buy day 1 dlc or you don't , nobody's forcing anyone to buy it.

Its less the buying more what this mind set that created represents. Thats its unjust to be creating content before the launch of the game to make an extra buck. The only time this can be reasonable allowed is if the content is more flavor likes skins, pets, weapons. Anything that adds or could be seen as important to the main plot has no excuse to not be paid in the price of the game as is.

The Flip side is if this DLC is 'fluff' and doesn't truely add anything how can they justify a price tag of 10 dollars?

Modifié par Kithrus, 25 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
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You must hate all major creative mediums than if you hate fan-service being used to take advantage of fans....

how much of that fan service includes  charging for expansions (thats what dlc is isnt it.  a mini expansion) on LAUNCH DAY of the original game.  right, hardly any, unless you are a company if EA that is.

It's quite common in other mediums and Collector Editions of old. Heck even Witcher 2 did before they had two mess-ups they couldn't forseen that lead to a lot of content that was meant to be exclusive for CE be available for everyone. 

[ZX12r Ninja]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

No, what's sad it's been explained 8 times, and you haven't bothered to read.

Well.. Since I've replied 8 times and you have ignored my reply up untill now... Don't really feel to need to reread what you wrote over the past 20 pages. You assume it's important nothing more, you have no way of verifying it is actuallly important untill the game gets released.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

More on the timing and clarity on the content and decision behind it.  

So this is the argument , everyone who's mad wanted early notification CE dlc would be a prothean.Which would have allowed them to Pre-order a CE and not have to pay $10 on launch day.Even though people are actually paying less than most CE buyers.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 25 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[ArkkAngel007]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

No, what's sad it's been explained 8 times, and you haven't bothered to read.

Well.. Since I've replied 8 times and you have ignored my reply up untill now... Don't really feel to need to reread what you wrote over the past 20 pages. You assume it's important nothing more, you have no way of verifying it is actuallly important untill the game gets released.

I've explained exactly why he isn't important 

[rainasa]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

I'm sort of interested why? Lol, Batarians are like the most hated race in Mass Effect to kick ass with I think; they're so one-dimensional. I guess one that wasn't would have been interesting. A Female Krogan could have been interesting but there's too many Krogans, to many Asaris. They need a female Salarian maybe....

All that said, people are hypocritical to have known the CE would have as far as bonuses and be angered that it's something so Awesome. It's like they expect that a Collector's Edition should have medicore DLC that only meatheads buy or something? I don't know, it's sort of great for Bioware to have something so great as DLC that hopefully pushes DLC back to Shivering Isles deep in qualty... Notice how Bethseda hasn't lowered the price on that thing (didn't buy it by the way), though that still me questionable why they haven't...

this is true with all online game downloads from things like xbox live and the psn, im pretty sure assassins creed 1 and 2 and brotherhood are still rocking their 30$ pricetag

and a batarian would have been an interesting squadmate, not all of them are ruthless pirates, its just that the Hegemony is so oppresive that really only the criminals leave batarain space, it would be interesting to see a prespective of one who disagrees with their goverment.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 06:44 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

More on the timing and clarity on the content and decision behind it.  

So this is the argument , everyone who's mad wanted early notification CE dlc would be a prothean.Which would have allowed them to Pre-order a CE and not have to on launch day.Even though people are actually paying less than most CE buyers.

That sounds about right. I don't get why SE owners are mad for essentially downplaying the CE and not thinking it might have been well rewarding  to fans who bought the CE edition than the SE. Bioware payed huge dividends to Collector Edition owners which they should be lauded for. 

Some expect it to be the trinket crap that many have hated about Collector Editions in gaming recently. Things that major and minor publications about gaming also have droned, over and over again. More importantly, fans. Now that there's actually a CE worth getting, people think it's too cool to be CE-only or CE-first? It's poor logic...

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 06:46 .

[MissOuJ]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

on a fps or an action game sure, a sequel doesn't need that much research.
on a story driven game it's almost a requisite so that you can fully enjoy the woven up world by adding up some context.

Normally I'd totally agree with you, but in the last months EA/BioWare have marketed ME3 quite heavily with combat, and didn't some developer even say "ME3 is a good place to start with the franchise" or something along those lines? Also, the new "Action" mode kind of heavily implied that aswell.

So I think they're trying to appeal to the general FPS/TPS action crowd who're usually not so big on RPG's, but that's just my 2 cents.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[wrdnshprd]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

<snip>

But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

What exactly is EA getting away with ? Either you choose to buy day 1 dlc or you don't , nobody's forcing anyone to buy it.

their not forcing me to buy it, but they know that there a lot of people like myself that disagree with this kind of thing, but will still purchase the game to complete the trilogy.  and honestly.. thats the ONLY reason im doing so.  you can bet i wont be supporting any of their future franchises if this is how they want to sell their product.

your right.  TECHNICALLY bioware and EA have done nothing wrong.. but they are basically nickel and diming a portion of their playerbase because they know they can.  some may be ok with this kind of business practice.. i myself am not.

[MissOuJ]

Double post, because I fail

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 06:44 .

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

He's not important it's what I'm still not getting because everyone else who's mad says otherwise.

Ok, let's start at the top: the Protheans know more about the mass relays and reaper tech then any of the living species. 

Those of you following various plot leaks might  realize just how big that is.  You know, if we use logic.

Him having no role is sort of like that part at the original ending of Fallout 3 where the robot companion who was immune to radiation would not go into the radiation filled chamber, and insisted you had to do it as it was your destiny to die heroicly.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

MissOuJ wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

on a fps or an action game sure, a sequel doesn't need that much research.
on a story driven game it's almost a requisite so that you can fully enjoy the woven up world by adding up some context.

Normally I'd totally agree with you, but in the last months EA/BioWare have marketed ME3 quite heavily with combat, and didn't some developer even say "ME3 is a good place to start with the franchise" or something along those lines? Also, the new "Action" mode kind of heavily implied that aswell.

So I think they're trying to appeal to the general FPS/TPS action crowd who're usually not so big on RPG's, but that's just my 2 cents.

I think that's exactly it

[obie191970]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Back, and see people still clining onto this "Prothean is important" thing with dear life without even 1 person being able explain why the Prothean is important. Sad.

No, what's sad it's been explained 8 times, and you haven't bothered to read.

Well.. Since I've replied 8 times and you have ignored my reply up untill now... Don't really feel to need to reread what you wrote over the past 20 pages. You assume it's important nothing more, you have no way of verifying it is actuallly important untill the game gets released.

Is it important to the ME3 story?  No, the Protheans have been irreleveant to the story since talking with Sovereign and Vigil.  But, it is important to people who are fans of the story and to the lore of ME merely for the experience and interaction - Even if you can find out the information through other avenues.  I'm on your side of the table over this whole thing, but I still think it was a crappy move by Bioware.

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I've explained exactly why he isn't important 

Yes, I know, he's not important becasue he's written that way.  See my Fallout 3 comparison for why that makes no bleeding sense.

[wrdnshprd]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
<snip>

You must hate all major creative mediums than if you hate fan-service being used to take advantage of fans....

how much of that fan service includes  charging for expansions (thats what dlc is isnt it.  a mini expansion) on LAUNCH DAY of the original game.  right, hardly any, unless you are a company if EA that is.

It's quite common in other mediums and Collector Editions of old. Heck even Witcher 2 did before they had two mess-ups they couldn't forseen that lead to a lot of content that was meant to be exclusive for CE be available for everyone. 

list 3 not made by EA  or bioware that included story driven DLC (meaning actual missions and the like) on launch day, because besides bioware, the only time ive seen this is with deus ex (gamestop exclusive)

[nitefyre410]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
<snip>

You must hate all major creative mediums than if you hate fan-service being used to take advantage of fans....

how much of that fan service includes  charging for expansions (thats what dlc is isnt it.  a mini expansion) on LAUNCH DAY of the original game.  right, hardly any, unless you are a company if EA that is.

 

Yeah if I want fan-service... I'll read and watch High School of the Dead...   a playable character is not fan service..

[O3Hundred]

Just found out about this, and this is really disappointing. Not having this Prothean squadmate is like chopping a limb off a human body. You are taking a very important part of the game, and making people spend even more money on something that should already be in the game. This trilogy is about the Protheans, and the Reapers. Can't see you logic BioWare.

[rainasa]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Ok, let's start at the top: the Protheans know more about the mass relays and reaper tech then any of the living species. 

Those of you following various plot leaks might  realize just how big that is.  You know, if we use logic.

Him having no role is sort of like that part at the original ending of Fallout 3 where the robot companion who was immune to radiation would not go into the radiation filled chamber, and insisted you had to do it as it was your destiny to die heroicly.

execpt javick was never going to be some uber reaper killing machine, or a mr exposition like character, he provided insight yes, but its not like he new everything about his pretty much dead culture, or any secret last act of difance like plans *coughvirgilcough*.

[nightcobra]

MissOuJ wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

on a fps or an action game sure, a sequel doesn't need that much research.
on a story driven game it's almost a requisite so that you can fully enjoy the woven up world by adding up some context.

Normally I'd totally agree with you, but in the last months EA/BioWare have marketed ME3 quite heavily with combat, and didn't some developer even say "ME3 is a good place to start with the franchise" or something along those lines? Also, the new "Action" mode kind of heavily implied that aswell.

So I think they're trying to appeal to the general FPS/TPS action crowd who're usually not so big on RPG's, but that's just my 2 cents.

if i remember correctly chris or another of the people in charge clarified that they meant "best place to start with" in gameplay terms. under that perspective it kinda changes the meaning.

it was a quote here in the forums but i can't be arsed to rummage through its depths

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

He's not important it's what I'm still not getting because everyone else who's mad says otherwise.

Ok, let's start at the top: the Protheans know more about the mass relays and reaper tech then any of the living species. 

Those of you following various plot leaks might  realize just how big that is.  You know, if we use logic.

Him having no role is sort of like that part at the original ending of Fallout 3 where the robot companion who was immune to radiation would not go into the radiation filled chamber, and insisted you had to do it as it was your destiny to die heroicly.

But we still don't know this guy role , I don't he going to be revealing exclusive information that Shepard won't have known already.

[_symphony]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I've explained exactly why he isn't important 

Yes, we already sorted that out like ... 30 pages ago. Still it irks me a bit that the squad seems unbalanced without prothy, if you ignore Kaidan/Ash you only have Liara for biotic powers, while there's a least 2 other characters for tech and combat. If prothy is something like a vanguard it would fit nicely in the squad.

[Kevin Lozandier]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

<snip>

But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

What exactly is EA getting away with ? Either you choose to buy day 1 dlc or you don't , nobody's forcing anyone to buy it.

their not forcing me to buy it, but they know that there a lot of people like myself that disagree with this kind of thing, but will still purchase the game to complete the trilogy.  and honestly.. thats the ONLY reason im doing so.  you can bet i wont be supporting any of their future franchises if this is how they want to sell their product.

your right.  TECHNICALLY bioware and EA have done nothing wrong.. but they are basically nickel and diming a portion of their playerbase because they know they can.  some may be ok with this kind of business practice.. i myself am not.

If you want to be so pessimistic, any sequel, merchandise, and so forth are nickel and diming. Anything you buy that's not a essential human need is nickel and diming that is well-crafted and well-thought out. From Facebook to Movies, it's something that occurs throughout our lives that we do to others to be well-off in our respective societies. 

I think let's not be naive here. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I've explained exactly why he isn't important 

Yes, I know, he's not important becasue he's written that way.  See my Fallout 3 comparison for why that makes no bleeding sense.

No you don't because no has the game yet.

[ArkkAngel007]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
What I'm annoyed (not necessarily angered, this is just a game after all) with is that they wait until now to make this announcement to the SE purchasers who now feel compelled to shell out another $10 in addition to the $60+ they planned on.  There hasn't been a reason given on why they have to pay that amount on the same day when many made the decision because they couldn't afford the CE in the first place.

Slightly confused. Are you objecting to the timing of the announcement? It would have been OK if everyone had known back when they were still selling CEs that it was either buy a CE, get an SE and spend $10 more, or don't get this squadmate at all?

More on the timing and clarity on the content and decision behind it.  

So this is the argument , everyone who's mad wanted early notification CE dlc would be a prothean.Which would have allowed them to Pre-order a CE and not have to on launch day.Even though people are actually paying less than most CE buyers.

That and the clarity behind it being DLC.  That is what the majority, including TB, continue to strongly oppose it on the basis they believe it's going to be an important piece of content that will affect their enjoyment of the game, that it was cut during primary production, is a part of the retail game on disc and is just needing an unlock code, and that they are not getting the intended ME3 experience.  It doesn't matter if they are wrong with those assumptions, because there hasn't been much said addressing those concerns.  And at this point, the fans feel slighted to the point that they won't believe anything coming from BioWare on the issue, as was evident when Casey and Mike both spoke on the issue.

[BaronIveagh]

obie191970 wrote...

Is it important to the ME3 story?  No, the Protheans have been irreleveant to the story since talking with Sovereign and Vigil.  But, it is important to people who are fans of the story and to the lore of ME merely for the experience and interaction - Even if you can find out the information through other avenues.  I'm on your side of the table over this whole thing, but I still think it was a crappy move by Bioware.

I grant that it might be specifically uninmportatn to Shepards story (judging by leaks though I'm starting to suspect that there will be serious logic failures at some point though) but to the galaxy at large this is an earthshaking event nearly rivaling the reaper invasion.