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[ZX12r Ninja]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Seriously, if people are going to play this game with some arbitrary expectation about the Protheans then don't buy this game at all. Don't feel like having a perfectly good story ruined because some people think they know more about storytelling then the professionals.

You do realize that even professionals have to deal wtih corporate meddling, which does screw up good storeis al lthe time, right?

And, frankly, CS Goto is a professional writer, and I'll gouge my eyes out before I read another of his Warhammer 40k books.

Could you first please reply to my other reply to your post before you start claiming you explained it to me 9 times?

What you're saying is that corporate medling will always destroy content? What about all the great movies, games, books, music we've had over last decades? They've all had corporate medling. If you're saying: "It's going to be bad because EA had a hand in it" then yet again there's no basis for that aswell. ME2 had EA medling and it turned out to be just fine. You assume it's going to be bad because you want it to be bad, you can't say it's bad untill you actually have the content.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

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But this isn't the past , things change over time.The time of free dlc is coming to an end , but it doesn't mean you can't play the game from begining to end without Prothean.

first off, im not asking for 'free' DLC.  im asking everyone, regardless of what version of the game they bought, get the same story experience at launch.  even today, thats how most companies work. more importantly though, its how ME1 and ME 2 worked.  again, i dont care about multiplayer.. there are plenty of games that provide that as a feature, and still give everyone the same story experience.

they want to charge for dlc after release.  awesome.  as long as the content looks like something im interested, ill be happy to support it.

the fact is, EA and bioware are only getting away with this because we allow them to.  if we want it to stop, all we have to do is not buy their product and vote with our wallets.

and thats what really ticks me off about this whole thing .. for ME1 and ME2, this wasnt an issue.  EVERYONE got access to the same story driven content on day of release.  now all of a sudden, at the end of the trilogy they pull this stunt because they know that:

1.  most fans could care less and will buy the game anyway.
2.  people will want to see the end of the story because of the time invested in the previous two games (like myself)

its really bad business, and honestly its starting to make me lose any respect i once had for bioware. which is hard for me to say.  im sure the devs and the rest of the staff are all great people.  but what they are doing is wrong.  period.

What exactly is EA getting away with ? Either you choose to buy day 1 dlc or you don't , nobody's forcing anyone to buy it.

their not forcing me to buy it, but they know that there a lot of people like myself that disagree with this kind of thing, but will still purchase the game to complete the trilogy.  and honestly.. thats the ONLY reason im doing so.  you can bet i wont be supporting any of their future franchises if this is how they want to sell their product.

your right.  TECHNICALLY bioware and EA have done nothing wrong.. but they are basically nickel and diming a portion of their playerbase because they know they can.  some may be ok with this kind of business practice.. i myself am not.

If you want to be so pessimistic, any sequel, merchandise, and so forth are nickel and diming. Anything you buy that's not a essential human need is nickel and diming that is well-crafted and well-thought out. From Facebook to Movies, it's something that occurs throughout our lives that we do to others to be well-off in our respective societies. 

I think let's not be naive here. 

people's definition of 'nickle and diming' is different.. granted..

my version just includes companies like EA monetizing story driven content at launch, when 95% of the rest of the market doesnt do that.

do companies monetize weapons, armor, social items, vanity pets, that kind of thing at launch?  absolutely.. however, i would hope you would see the difference between a vanity pet and an actual quest/mission.

as ive asked earlier in the thread, would you be ok if bioware/EA decided to release the content for ashley/liara as the day 1 dlc?  wouldnt that be considered nickel and diming?

one of the arguments for this type of practice is that its bioware's game, and they have a right to decide what is and is not an important part of their game.

well, wouldnt that be exactly what they are doing in this case.  so why is it suddenly wrong?

imo, it shouldnt matter.  whats important to the story should be left up to the player because all of that is SUBJECTIVE.  some may care about the liara/ashley story line.. others may care about the prothean. 

Nickel and Diming started by making Mass Effect 3 and a ending that necessitated it. Nickel and Diming is something you have to do to live well and to even influence lives good and bad. Many things in life are not granted for free and are privledges. You have to pick the best way to nickel and dime for yourself that is not a chore for you but something that you like to do and get paid well for it. 

[Kithrus]

fropas wrote...

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

[rainasa]

wrdnshprd wrote...



people's definition of 'nickle and diming' is different.. granted..

my version just includes companies like EA monetizing story driven content at launch, when 95% of the rest of the market doesnt do that.

do companies monetize weapons, armor, social items, vanity pets, that kind of thing at launch?  absolutely.. however, i would hope you would see the difference between a vanity pet and an actual quest/mission.

as ive asked earlier in the thread, would you be ok if bioware/EA decided to release the content for ashley/liara as the day 1 dlc?  wouldnt that be considered nickel and diming?

one of the arguments for this type of practice is that its bioware's game, and they have a right to decide what is and is not an important part of their game.

well, wouldnt that be exactly what they are doing in this case.  so why is it suddenly wrong?

imo, it shouldnt matter.  whats important to the story should be left up to the player because all of that is SUBJECTIVE.  some may care about the liara/ashley story line.. others may care about the prothean. 

I would have had proplems with that if it was full of exculsive dialog, lore and character development. but from ashes has none of that, javick does not effect characters in a significant way and all the infomation he provides is already in the original game but from diffrent sources.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

He's only available from Eden Prime, and you can't go to Eden Prime unless you have the DLC.  There are not Eden Prime indicators in the TLK files.  He is also not present outside of any dialogue in the TLK files.  No powers, cinematic descriptions..nothing other than what was already confirmed for VO work in production.  These are the files in the game that have been 100% reliable regarding everything that's been shown to us and teased.  There is no better information out there except the developers, who people aren't going to belive anyways.  

The only thing we don't know is the actual decision on why a Prothean was the choice of all their dropped concepts to bring back as DLC we have to pay for instead of being just a new game perk along with the online pass, though I'm sure we have already established a likely explanation.

So, where is the other thread getting his leaked powers?  Because they are saying they got it from harveszting the game files too.

[MissOuJ]

O3Hundred wrote...

How am I wrong? As I posted just now, if it was someone like Kasumi, who had nothing to do with the story, then fine, I don't care. But this is part of the story, that fans of the trilogy can't miss. It would be like making the ending of the trilogy a DLC. Its a must have, but I shouldn't pay extra for it.

Unless the Prothean ends up being the magical Deus Ex Machina who decends from Shepard's space ship and expels all the reapers with his inner channeling of insectoid Jesus Chi while a Hanar choir sings him prases, that comparison is not valid at all.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 07:29 .

[rainasa]

Kithrus wrote...

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

that is an OPINION, bioware developed from ashes after the original game was done and could not be altered in any way, and was always planned to be EXTRA content, why the hell should the DLC not earn money for their hard work? because you said so?

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 07:22 .

[fropas]

Kithrus wrote...

fropas wrote...

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

Wrong, he isn't part of the SE developement. Prothy is the "ADDITIONAL character/mission" I was promised for my CE. That's what the prothy is--additional content excluded from the SE of the game. You don't have to accept that, but it won't change what the character is now.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Kithrus wrote...

fropas wrote...

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

That's just an arbitrary limit you've made up in your own mind. So what you're saying is that if Bioware had kept this under wraps and had released it 6 months down the line it would've been okey?

What you're saying is that when a movie is released, any footage shot before the release I am entitled to. Tell yourself that nexttime you buy a directors cut edition.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 07:20 .

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

He's only available from Eden Prime, and you can't go to Eden Prime unless you have the DLC.  There are not Eden Prime indicators in the TLK files.  He is also not present outside of any dialogue in the TLK files.  No powers, cinematic descriptions..nothing other than what was already confirmed for VO work in production.  These are the files in the game that have been 100% reliable regarding everything that's been shown to us and teased.  There is no better information out there except the developers, who people aren't going to belive anyways.  

The only thing we don't know is the actual decision on why a Prothean was the choice of all their dropped concepts to bring back as DLC we have to pay for instead of being just a new game perk along with the online pass, though I'm sure we have already established a likely explanation.

So, where is the other thread getting his leaked powers?  Because they are saying they got it from harveszting the game files too.

Which thread is this?  All that has been said is that people think he may be a Vanguard, due to that being the only class not present in the squad in the main game.  I didn't see anything of the sort in the TLK files, though I could look again.

If you can link to that thread though, please do so.

[Kevin Lozandier]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

fropas wrote...

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

That's just an arbitrary limit you've made up in your own mind. So what you're saying is that if Bioware had kept this under wraps and had released it 6 months down the line it would've been okey?

Amen. Also, double-dipping your wallet to something that is not necessary for you to live  is something people make happen in their lives and it's your fault to allow yourself to think about when buying something not necessary for you to live.

[O3Hundred]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I would understand if it was someone like Zaeed in ME2. Who has nothing to do with the story, he's just an additional character that you can have in your squad. Same goes for Kasumi. But a Prothean squadmate is much more than a regular squadmate.

Just some random smuck that people won't care about and justify asking loyal fans to get them to buy  a CE for the final game of the trilogy, which is supposed to bring closure and be a big deal. Hope you didn't put much thought into that comment.

The Prothean Character and DLC that means a lot of fans is a great treat for those who invested early into the new game via pre-ordering the CE which is meant to be dealt with in limited supply before the game is launched is sold well. 

This is nothing too different than paying off your most loyal investors with dividends with preferred stock than those who bought the normal stock. 

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person, and that doesn't mean that I should be left out.

Modifié par O3Hundred, 25 février 2012 - 07:23 .

[rainasa]

O3Hundred wrote...

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person.

So buy the DLC, they did not release it so they could steal everyones ten dollars while they giggle maniacally, they released it so fans who did not buy the CE for whatever reason could experiance the OPTIONAL and EXTRA squadmate.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[Kithrus]

rainasa wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

that is an OPINION, bioware developed from ashes after the original game was done and could not be altered in any way,.and was always planned to be EXTRA content, they the hell should the DLC not earn money for their hard work? because you said so?

An example in the same spirit.

I grind patterns into cement floors with a heavy duty grinder that few people have access too with the purpose of make those floors less slippery.

If I was about to do a job and didn't tell my customer I found a way to make things cheeper and was going to lower my price two weeks from now he would be upset.

It comes to be honest with your customers. I'm not doing anything wrong not telling him but its a morally bankrupt route to take.

so in the same spirit I pay the company to make the game from inception to launch with the price of the game. If they want to generate more costs by making additional content meant to bait me into paying more for the game then I'm taking my money else where.

I'm not buying another bioware title again.

[Stealth3]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

[Stealth3]

fropas wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Just found out about this, and this is really disappointing. Not having this Prothean squadmate is like chopping a limb off a human body. You are taking a very important part of the game, and making people spend even more money on something that should already be in the game. This trilogy is about the Protheans, and the Reapers. Can't see you logic BioWare.

No. The Trilogy is about the Reapers, not the Protheans. You have it twisted and you're making who's important and who's not in something you don't own or truly fully understand as a creative universe that you didn't make.

You're interested in the universe to play and explore more of it though. You're in love in the universe to think about buying something that is deemed optional about the universe by the creators though it seems.

There's a huge difference there....

Not in how I see things. Protheans were the civilization that came before. Mass Effect 1 & 2 both, have a lot to do with the Protheans. If not the Prothean Beacons, Shepard would've never become who he is now, and the game would've ended with Soverign attempt. In Mass Effect 2, we find out that the Protheans are the Collectors who have been indoctrinated by the Reapers. It is very hard to ignore something like this, when the previous games are built on the Prothean extinction.

You're wrong; don't take it from me though: The creators of the game want to disagree with you; see Case Hudson's tweets about this. 

How am I wrong? As I posted just now, if it was someone like Kasumi, who had nothing to do with the story, then fine, I don't care. But this is part of the story, that fans of the trilogy can't miss. It would be like making the ending of the trilogy a DLC. Its a must have, but I shouldn't pay extra for it.

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

Its not about the money, you idiot.  Its about the whole principle. 

[Kevin Lozandier]

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I would understand if it was someone like Zaeed in ME2. Who has nothing to do with the story, he's just an additional character that you can have in your squad. Same goes for Kasumi. But a Prothean squadmate is much more than a regular squadmate.

Just some random smuck that people won't care about and justify asking loyal fans to get them to buy  a CE for the final game of the trilogy, which is supposed to bring closure and be a big deal. Hope you didn't put much thought into that comment.

The Prothean Character and DLC that means a lot of fans is a great treat for those who invested early into the new game via pre-ordering the CE which is meant to be dealt with in limited supply before the game is launched is sold well. 

This is nothing too different than paying off your most loyal investors with dividends with preferred stock than those who bought the normal stock. 

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person.

If that's your definition of what a CE is for, I can see your disapppointment. Personally Collector Editions are usually before their devaluation from Gaming Companies 2007-2011 is that they're supposed to bring extended hedons to those who think highly of the franchise and are meant to have items to please such fans.

It doesn't mean they are supposed to be merely trinkets and what not. Non-essential items but would make a long-time fan smile. Being the final game of the series, the Collector Edition of Mass Effect should make that happen. 

With the Prothean Character, and a visit to Eden Prime where the series started + alternate customes I assume will be original outfits of some character or outfits of characters that long-time fans have seen or wanted for some characters from earlier games, art books, and even fan-made outfits for specific characters this is a GREAT package... 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[O3Hundred]

Stealth3 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

I know right.  Yet people seem to try prove that this isn't important. I mean why Prothean? For CE? Then make it that only the CEs' have the guy, and it isn't DLC. So everyone goes out and buys a CE.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Stealth3 wrote...

Its not about the money, you idiot.  Its about the whole principle. 

And what is the principle? They created the game, they finished it and after finishing it instead of moving the team to a completely different project they moved it to a project related to the game. The content was planed anf budgetted seperatly from the main game.

Why is this a principle issue?

What you're saying is that when the iPhone 5 comes out, you should also get the Apple Case and the Deskstand with it because it was developed by Apple before launch. Nonsense!

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[rainasa]

Stealth3 wrote...

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

ehhh, you do know there was thousands of stasis pods on Illos right? some of those people where important, some where not, for all we know javick could have been a foot solider lucky enough to be put into the stasis pod that worked or was just a pizza delivery man who fell into the pod by accident, only to wake up 50,00 years later with no idea what the hell is going on.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[fropas]

Kithrus wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

So when is it not okay?

Devopling anything before launch belongs on the disk or free dlc. simple as that.

Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

that is an OPINION, bioware developed from ashes after the original game was done and could not be altered in any way,.and was always planned to be EXTRA content, they the hell should the DLC not earn money for their hard work? because you said so?

An example in the same spirit.

I grind patterns into cement floors with a heavy duty grinder that few people have access too with the purpose of make those floors less slippery.

If I was about to do a job and didn't tell my customer I found a way to make things cheeper and was going to lower my price two weeks from now he would be upset.

It comes to be honest with your customers. I'm not doing anything wrong not telling him but its a morally bankrupt route to take.

so in the same spirit I pay the company to make the game from inception to launch with the price of the game. If they want to generate more costs by making additional content meant to bait me into paying more for the game then I'm taking my money else where.

I'm not buying another bioware title again.

That's a wise descision. I hope your money makes you happy .

[AlanC9]

Kithrus wrote...
Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

Why the Odd capitalization? English is your native language, right?

As for the substance,.no, you didn't pay them for the DLC already; you should know better. The ME3 production plan always included DLC. The development time was assigned based on DLC/CE revenue coming in.

[fropas]

Stealth3 wrote...

fropas wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Just found out about this, and this is really disappointing. Not having this Prothean squadmate is like chopping a limb off a human body. You are taking a very important part of the game, and making people spend even more money on something that should already be in the game. This trilogy is about the Protheans, and the Reapers. Can't see you logic BioWare.

No. The Trilogy is about the Reapers, not the Protheans. You have it twisted and you're making who's important and who's not in something you don't own or truly fully understand as a creative universe that you didn't make.

You're interested in the universe to play and explore more of it though. You're in love in the universe to think about buying something that is deemed optional about the universe by the creators though it seems.

There's a huge difference there....

Not in how I see things. Protheans were the civilization that came before. Mass Effect 1 & 2 both, have a lot to do with the Protheans. If not the Prothean Beacons, Shepard would've never become who he is now, and the game would've ended with Soverign attempt. In Mass Effect 2, we find out that the Protheans are the Collectors who have been indoctrinated by the Reapers. It is very hard to ignore something like this, when the previous games are built on the Prothean extinction.

You're wrong; don't take it from me though: The creators of the game want to disagree with you; see Case Hudson's tweets about this. 

How am I wrong? As I posted just now, if it was someone like Kasumi, who had nothing to do with the story, then fine, I don't care. But this is part of the story, that fans of the trilogy can't miss. It would be like making the ending of the trilogy a DLC. Its a must have, but I shouldn't pay extra for it.

But he isn't essential to the story of SHEPERD defeating the reapers which is what ME3 is all about. 

If you bought all three games new you've already spent 180~220$ so you're mad about an extra 10$? wow those are some real big fans you're talking about. . .

Its not about the money, you idiot.  Its about the whole principle. 

Oh. . sry I didn't know video games were such a morally complex issue. I thought it was just a hobby or something.

[wrdnshprd]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
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Nickel and Diming started by making Mass Effect 3 and a ending that necessitated it. Nickel and Diming is something you have to do to live well and to even influence lives good and bad. Many things in life are not granted for free and are privledges. You have to pick the best way to nickel and dime for yourself that is not a chore for you but something that you like to do and get paid well for it. 

thanks for proving my point.. i get it.. everyone has their own definition of nickel and diming.  i have mine, you have yours.  and neither of us is wrong.

however, you still didnt answer my question.  would you be ok with liara/ashley being day 1 DLC?  if not, why is that suddenly wrong, when this isnt.  we honestly dont know if liara or ashley's storyline is critical to finishing the game or not.  thus, we can only make assumptions as to whats important.

as with the nickel and dime definition, if i deamed the prothean content more important than the ashley/liara storylines, while you deam the ashley/liara storyline more important..  neither of us would be wrong.

so why is it suddenly ok for bioware to deem the prothean 'optional' when its not ok for them to do so with liara/ashley?

to me, neither decision is correct.

[obie191970]

rainasa wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

ehhh, you do know there was thousands of stasis pods on Illos right? some of those people where important, some where not, for all we know javick could have been a foot solider lucky enough to be put into the stasis pod that worked or was just a pizza delivery man who fell into the pod by accident, only to wake up 50,00 years later with no idea what the hell is going on.

Protheans ate pizza?  Link please....