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[ArkkAngel007]

Kithrus wrote...

fropas wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Kithrus wrote...
Day One DLC is a Crime doesn't matter whats in it. It should be free or
in the game. I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

Why the Odd capitalization? English is your native language, right?

As for the substance,.no, you didn't pay them for the DLC already; you should know better. The ME3 production plan always included DLC. The development time was assigned based on DLC/CE revenue coming in.

Picking on my methode of getting a point across with punctuation doesn't make my reasoning more or less flawed.

But getting back to the main point...
"hey, it's DLC because we finished
finalising the disk before all the content was on it" [Which is the
truth of what they are saying] is just bull****. You do not finalise a
game when you still have ideas, and development time allotted to said
game. The minute you start doing that, you cut the "Game" shorter and
shorter and the "DLC" starts getting larger and larger, whilst being
split into more parts for more $$$.

WTF? how is anything supposed to be finished? We never stop having ideas until we die. And development time was supposed to be over in November. So, they're already behind schedule. Really you have some pretty unrealistic standards. . .

Thats arguing to an extreme

And you're basing your whole argument on a slippery slope.

There's no denying that is where the industry will will go, at least attempt to.  But this is not the case.  The case we have here is just a ****ty business decision regarding its conusmers.

[Kithrus]

rainasa wrote...

congratulations! you just proved you know nothing about how games are developed, you win a pat on the back and my pity.

its a little somthing called a due date, they have to had the game DONE by early january to provide enough time for the game to go through the 2 month certification period, so they had to cut certain ideas. this is not new at all, games have done this since way back to the super nintendo. (deus ex HR for example had 2 major hubs cut from release due to time constraints.) not only that but all DLC is planned out even as the game is being made.

No I proved that people need to budget their time constructively and not try to pad off extra costs to the customer when its not called for.

Big differance.

[O3Hundred]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

I know right.  Yet people seem to try prove that this isn't important. I mean why Prothean? For CE? Then make it that only the CEs' have the guy, and it isn't DLC. So everyone goes out and buys a CE.

There is not trying to prove.  It's in the god**** files.  He has no impact on ME3 whatsoever outside of being able to shoot things up.

Yes, he was put in cryo for a reason.  However, it didn't go as planned.  So now you basically have a bitter soldier who feels he failed his race, and can sympathize with the races in the current cycle of destruction.

So yes, he was important to the Protheans.  Yes he is important to the lore of the IP.  Yes he is important to fans.

But he is not important to the game.

He is not important in the sense of not making any crucial impact on the story. True. But as you said, he is important to the lore of the IP. So, why the **** make him a DLC? Especially on Day 1. Its like they spit on your face.

Give us your money. Oh by the way, there is additional content that we cut out of the game, and made into a DLC on day one.

If he was released at a later date. I would not bother arguing. But Day 1 DLC, is just stealing your money, because you know you should already have this content.

Modifié par O3Hundred, 25 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[BaronIveagh]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

X-Men, Batman: Dark knight, The Muppets, Harry Potter, Forest Gump, just to name a few of the top of my head.

Yet again... You assume all content is bad because there is some bad content.

Funny you mention X men, what with how House of M was the spawn of corporate meddling and wow did THAT break the fanbase. 

How about Kingdom of Heaven?

Highlander II? 

Spiderman 3?

Firefly?

Some bad content???

[rainasa]

Kithrus wrote...

No I proved that people need to budget their time constructively and not try to pad off extra costs to the customer when its not called for.

Big differance.

you "proved" nothing other then that you are saying things without thinking them through, if you want to post a valid comparison to what bioware is doing, think about it for a minute or two before you spew it onto the screen for all these poor people to read.

[Kithrus]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And you're basing your whole argument on a slippery slope.

There's no denying that is where the industry will will go, at least attempt to.  But this is not the case.  The case we have here is just a ****ty business decision regarding its conusmers.

I try not too but with all things customer related or money in general you have to put you foot down before something goes too far.

the term is called nipping it in the bud.

Will things get worse? Maybe not but I'd rather makes sure they don't by doing what I can.

[ZX12r Ninja]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

X-Men, Batman: Dark knight, The Muppets, Harry Potter, Forest Gump, just to name a few of the top of my head.

Yet again... You assume all content is bad because there is some bad content.

Funny you mention X men, what with how House of M was the spawn of corporate meddling and wow did THAT break the fanbase. 

How about Kingdom of Heaven?

Highlander II? 

Spiderman 3?

Firefly?

Some bad content???

Stop being ignorant, you can make a long list of bad content and I can make a list of good content. What I said was: "Just because some content is bad doesn't make all of them bad". You have no idea whether ME3 is going to be good or bad because it hans't been released yet.

Still waiting a reply from you on the other topic... Don't want you claiming that you explained it over and over in 20 pages.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[fropas]

O3Hundred wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

I know right.  Yet people seem to try prove that this isn't important. I mean why Prothean? For CE? Then make it that only the CEs' have the guy, and it isn't DLC. So everyone goes out and buys a CE.

There is not trying to prove.  It's in the god**** files.  He has no impact on ME3 whatsoever outside of being able to shoot things up.

Yes, he was put in cryo for a reason.  However, it didn't go as planned.  So now you basically have a bitter soldier who feels he failed his race, and can sympathize with the races in the current cycle of destruction.

So yes, he was important to the Protheans.  Yes he is important to the lore of the IP.  Yes he is important to fans.

But he is not important to the game.

He is not important in the sense of not making any crucial impact on the story. True. But as you said, he is important to the lore of the IP. So, why the **** make him a DLC? Especially on Day 1. Its like they spit on your face.

Give us your money. Oh by the way, there is additional content that we cut out of the game, and made into a DLC on day one.

If he was released at a later date. I would not bother arguing. But Day 1 DLC, is just stealing your money, because you know you should already have this content.

BW doesn't release all content important to lore free to the consumer. . .or LotSB would have been free on the Cerberus Network ala Zaeed and Normandy. This is an assumption you made.

[BaronIveagh]

MissOuJ wrote...

So don't buy it. If enough people stop buying DLC, it becomes unprofitable for them to make, and they'll start looking into new ways of getting that extra $10. Like hiking up the retail prices. And nobody will complain then!

They've already been doing that, on top the DLC, as well as exploiting exchange rates, just not in the North american market.

And people are complaining about that too.  Frankly, the days of the AAA release are numbered,, as it's not really a profitable way to do buisness in this day and age.

[Tobitto]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Tobitto wrote...

Sorry if this was explained before, but if I buy the Digital Deluxe Edition, will i get the Protean DLC included? My origin is poorly translated and i want to confirm it...

Yes. Digital Deluxe includes nonphysical copies of all the goodies in the Collector's Edition (minus the patch, of course) and all the CE goodies.

Thank You

[_symphony]

But this is how it starts! Prothy might not be important to the main plot, but is a bloody prothean. Any fan will want it.

next? bonus alternate ending  for ME4! and not included in anybodies collector editions.

[rainasa]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


Stop being ignorant, you can make a long list of bad content and I can make a list of good content. What I said was: "Just because some content is bad doesn't make all of them bad".

Still waiting a reply from you on the other topic... Don't want you claiming that you explained it over and over in 20 pages.

I really dont see why you are arguing with her/him of all people to this degree, seeing that she at least factchecks what she/he  says, i mean, this is one of the few debates on this entire thread where you can go "well, we can agree to disagree". and move on.

_symphony wrote...

But this is how it starts! Prothy might not be important to the main plot, but is a bloody prothean. Any fan will want it.

next? bonus alternate ending  for ME4! and not included in anybodies collector editions.

this is so, so, so, beyond silly. you should feel bad for even having the audacity to type it.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 07:51 .

[ArkkAngel007]

O3Hundred wrote...


He is not important in the sense of not making any crucial impact on the story. True. But as you said, he is important to the lore of the IP. So, why the **** make his a DLC? Especially on Day 1. Its like they spit on your face.

Give us your money. Oh by the way, there is additional content that we cut out of the game, and made into a DLC on day one.

But it wasn't cut.  That's what you and others do not get.  Eden Prime is not in the script.  Javrik is not listed as any sort of NPC.  The only thing that is present is a handful of dialogue, most of which is in the TLK audio files and on YouTube, because it's all squad banter and battle cries.  The litte bit left in the script is dialogue that is all (except possibly one or two lines) directed at Liara that may or may not be squad banter or on the Normandy.  This script is the one they had to "finalize" before primary production and before they began VO work.

They took him from the concept they dropped very early in pre-development, and resurrected the basis of a Prothean on Eden Prime as DLC content.  Why they did so, well, we do agree on why they did it.

But I agree that it's a low move on their part, just mostly because it does mean that much to the fans.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 07:52 .

[Kithrus]

rainasa wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

No I proved that people need to budget their time constructively and not try to pad off extra costs to the customer when its not called for.

Big differance.

you "proved" nothing other then that you are saying things without thinking them through, if you want to post a valid comparison to what bioware is doing, think about it for a minute or two before you spew it onto the screen for all these poor people to read.

The differance between your arguement and mine is that mine has the history of propper customer relations behind it and yours is based off of whiting knighting becasue your trying to justtify feeding the beast.

Maybe you should think about what your typing before you suject the good people her to if I may jokingly refer to as 'bioware PR indoctrination'.

[BaronIveagh]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Still waiting a reply from you on the other topic... Don't want you claiming that you explained it over and over in 20 pages.

Go back to page 378, it's about a quarter of the way down.

[MissOuJ]

Kithrus wrote...

No I proved that people need to budget their time constructively and not try to pad off extra costs to the customer when its not called for.

Big differance.

... Welcome to capitalism! We hope you'll enjoy your stay!

Seriously tho, something always comes up in the development, and you can only budget so much time  for SNAFU coverage before the investors start to get twitchy. Many people already work crunchtime regularly in the gaming industry because of time management failures - claiming you're entitled to content the developer doesn't have the time to polish for certification is pretty much dooming the game dev team into a ridiculous maelstrom of overtime - just so you could have more content in the game for the same retail price. And giving stuff away for free isn't exactly good business practise.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[nitefyre410]

BaronIveagh wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

So don't buy it. If enough people stop buying DLC, it becomes unprofitable for them to make, and they'll start looking into new ways of getting that extra $10. Like hiking up the retail prices. And nobody will complain then!

They've already been doing that, on top the DLC, as well as exploiting exchange rates, just not in the North american market.

And people are complaining about that too.  Frankly, the days of the AAA release are numbered,, as it's not really a profitable way to do buisness in this day and age.

 

Man I flip a table the Austrailains anyone else  that lives in a conutry where the exchange rate takes  as $60 game and makes it a $100 + game ..

Just as show of solidarity. ... cause  damn.

[Azure33]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

X-Men, Batman: Dark knight, The Muppets, Harry Potter, Forest Gump, just to name a few of the top of my head.

Yet again... You assume all content is bad because there is some bad content.

Ok wait just a second. Forrest Gump was an awful movie with a terrible message. That one does not help your case at all.

[Kevin Lozandier]

O3Hundred wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

I know right.  Yet people seem to try prove that this isn't important. I mean why Prothean? For CE? Then make it that only the CEs' have the guy, and it isn't DLC. So everyone goes out and buys a CE.

There is not trying to prove.  It's in the god**** files.  He has no impact on ME3 whatsoever outside of being able to shoot things up.

Yes, he was put in cryo for a reason.  However, it didn't go as planned.  So now you basically have a bitter soldier who feels he failed his race, and can sympathize with the races in the current cycle of destruction.

So yes, he was important to the Protheans.  Yes he is important to the lore of the IP.  Yes he is important to fans.

But he is not important to the game.

They were supposed to make it. Keep it under wraps months later and then say, we made this DLC in appreciation of our support for Mass Effect 3. 

He is not important in the sense of not making any crucial impact on the story. True. But as you said, he is important to the lore of the IP. So, why the **** make him a DLC? Especially on Day 1. Its like they spit on your face.

Give us your money. Oh by the way, there is additional content that we cut out of the game, and made into a DLC on day one.

If he was released at a later date. I would not bother arguing. But Day 1 DLC, is just stealing your money, because you know you should already have this content.

That logic is flawed. Some arbitrary rule you made up as far as when is DLC okay and not okay with poor reasons behind it. 
It would then be even more scrutinzed as content they specifically cut out to make money down the line for the sake of money rather than what it is today for CE owners and long-time fans of the series to enjoy as a great fan-service extra in the edition most applicable to those who love that kind of thing: The Collector's Edition. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 08:02 .

[JBo796]

Who cares about Day One DLC. If you all would have been prepared, you would have pre ordered the N7 edition forever ago and wouldn't have to worry about buying the DLC seperate. Morons...

[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

But this is how it starts! Prothy might not be important to the main plot, but is a bloody prothean. Any fan will want it.

next? bonus alternate ending  for ME4! and not included in anybodies collector editions.

That's definitely true, but this is where it ends for me. There won't be a ME4--not for me at least. So I can't support your argument that no one should get this DLC, because I've already paid for it as far as I'm concerned.

[O3Hundred]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I would understand if it was someone like Zaeed in ME2. Who has nothing to do with the story, he's just an additional character that you can have in your squad. Same goes for Kasumi. But a Prothean squadmate is much more than a regular squadmate.

Just some random smuck that people won't care about and justify asking loyal fans to get them to buy  a CE for the final game of the trilogy, which is supposed to bring closure and be a big deal. Hope you didn't put much thought into that comment.

The Prothean Character and DLC that means a lot of fans is a great treat for those who invested early into the new game via pre-ordering the CE which is meant to be dealt with in limited supply before the game is launched is sold well. 

This is nothing too different than paying off your most loyal investors with dividends with preferred stock than those who bought the normal stock. 

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person.

If that's your definition of what a CE is for, I can see your disapppointment. Personally Collector Editions are usually before their devaluation from Gaming Companies 2007-2011 is that they're supposed to bring extended hedons to those who think highly of the franchise and are meant to have items to please such fans.

It doesn't mean they are supposed to be merely trinkets and what not. Non-essential items but would make a long-time fan smile. Being the final game of the series, the Collector Edition of Mass Effect should make that happen. 

With the Prothean Character, and a visit to Eden Prime where the series started + alternate customes I assume will be original outfits of some character or outfits of characters that long-time fans have seen or wanted for some characters from earlier games, art books, and even fan-made outfits for specific characters this is a GREAT extra content... 

I am a long time fan, but it's not my fault that I can't afford a CE. Not everyone has enough money to go out an buy it. I am a student at a University. I go to Uni, then go to work, come home at 10PM, play for a couple of hours and go to sleep. So why should I be left out, if I can't afford it right now? I wouldn't bother proving stuff if this was just a DLC like Normandy's crash site, where you could go back to places you have been to in previous games, and explore( Feros, Noveria, Virmire i.e ) . I wouldn't. But this is far more important, than regular DLC.

What's 'regular' DLC? Enligthen me. I'm a student as well at a Uni. Mass Effect 3 is a game and therefore is not necessary for you to live. If you can't afford it, buy only what you can which is the SE which you don't have to buy at all. You will still have a fine experience. You and only you can make a budget of how much to spend on anything. If you felt that you can't afford $20 dollars more for a CE that was offered the same exact time as the SE, that's a problem you put on yourself rather than something that is more important to your well being like food, books, and etc....

Regular DLC is anything other story impacting. i.e Appearance, additional weapons. I am not from the US, and the money here is not the dollars. Mass Effect 3 SE here costs 70$, which is equlivant to my grocery shopping payment for food that's enough for a week. A CE costs 110$. I could get it in illegal ways, but I am not that kind of person. I am too much of a fan, to go down to that level. So now, you see my problem.

I could order it on ebay, but right now it costs more because of the delivery.

Modifié par O3Hundred, 25 février 2012 - 07:56 .

[Kithrus]

MissOuJ wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

No I proved that people need to budget their time constructively and not try to pad off extra costs to the customer when its not called for.

Big differance.

... Welcome to capitalism! We hope you'll enjoy your stay!

Seriously tho, something always comes up in the development, and you can only budget so much time  for SNAFU coverage before the investors start to get twitchy. Many people already work crunchtime regularly in the gaming industry because of time management failures - claiming you're entitled to content the developer doesn't have the time to polish for certification is pretty much dooming the game dev team into doing ridiculous maelstrom of overtime - just so you could have more content in the game for the same retail price. And giving stuff away for free isn't exactly good business.

Your kidding right? I do it all the time. People wash the floors for me fore I work on them they get a discount. I go to shows to flog my wares people get free swag.

Its called making the customer feel valued and when they are they will come to you on their own and just give you money.

Hell Mass effect three had me at coming soon. I was going to just toss Bioware the money but now they ruined my relation to them.

[Stealth3]

fropas wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think we can't know how important this Prothean will be to the storyline, because we know nothing of his back story. For all we know he knows absolutely nothing about the invasion, or was very involved in the "resistance" against them. Either way, to assume the story unfolds around a DLC squadmate solely because he's a Prothean is a bit premature and naive if you ask me. All Protheans were not uber scientists studying on how to defeat the Reapers. There were janitors, soldiers, artists, doctors, construction workers, cubical workers etc etc etc. Protheans too.

More likely than not he's a soldier (based on his armor), who knows much about Prothean lore, culture and society because he was part of it. He probably doesn't know much about the Reapers save for them wiping out his species. It all depends on his station, what he was involved in and how long he was around during the invasion before whatever happened to him. His story could easily be:

"I was a soldier stationed here and the relay became locked down. Soon after we started hearing stories of monsters killing everyone over the beacons. Bla bla bla so I ended up jumping into a stasis pod and now i'm here today. What happened to the rest of my race? Did we survive?"

I think many who are angry about having to buy the CE DLC content for SE would have been angrier if they didn't get the DLC as an option to buy. Then there's the whole "DLC sucks for reasons x, y and z" which have been around since the birth of Expansion Packs ("Why wasn't this included in the main game?" being the universal one). I remember seeing those arguments way back in the mid/late 90s when expansions became popular.

He was important enough to be put into stasis and preserved for 50,000 years so cut the ****ing bull****.  Bioware did this so people buy the DLC, thats they only reason they chose such subject to be the DLC.

I know right.  Yet people seem to try prove that this isn't important. I mean why Prothean? For CE? Then make it that only the CEs' have the guy, and it isn't DLC. So everyone goes out and buys a CE.

There is not trying to prove.  It's in the god**** files.  He has no impact on ME3 whatsoever outside of being able to shoot things up.

Yes, he was put in cryo for a reason.  However, it didn't go as planned.  So now you basically have a bitter soldier who feels he failed his race, and can sympathize with the races in the current cycle of destruction.

So yes, he was important to the Protheans.  Yes he is important to the lore of the IP.  Yes he is important to fans.

But he is not important to the game.

He is not important in the sense of not making any crucial impact on the story. True. But as you said, he is important to the lore of the IP. So, why the **** make him a DLC? Especially on Day 1. Its like they spit on your face.

Give us your money. Oh by the way, there is additional content that we cut out of the game, and made into a DLC on day one.

If he was released at a later date. I would not bother arguing. But Day 1 DLC, is just stealing your money, because you know you should already have this content.

BW doesn't release all content important to lore free to the consumer. . .or LotSB would have been free on the Cerberus Network ala Zaeed and Normandy. This is an assumption you made.

Only LotSB wasnt released day 1.  That was clearly content created after the game came out.  The prothean is clearly content that was though about and created before the game was finished.  Proof is the demo and leaked script...

This whole certification bull**** is just bull**** because that **** is all paperwork and done in paralel.  The prothean is not included in the full game for the sole reason of selling it as a DLC.  And perhaps they made it less important to justify selling it as DLC.   Just the concept of the prothean squadmate is more important than half your squad in ME2.  There were some really unimportant characters in ME2. 

They can make it important, unimportant...doesnt matter.  The point is, they chose to take something crucial to the lore/universe and sell it as DLC because they know it is likely to sell and therefore generate maximum profit for something that chances are was at least somewhat part of the game itself.

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ZX12r Ninja wrote...

X-Men, Batman: Dark knight, The Muppets, Harry Potter, Forest Gump, just to name a few of the top of my head.

Yet again... You assume all content is bad because there is some bad content.

Ok wait just a second. Forrest Gump was an awful movie with a terrible message. That one does not help your case at all.

Forrest Gump was the best movie of the 90s and anyone saying otherwise is a heathen who doesn't know what living is. *crosses arms*