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[HiroVoid]

aksoileau wrote...

The prothean is probably a minor character because only Shepard should understand him because of the beacon. They can't hook a translator to a language no one knows. Plus everywhere you'd go npc's would be wide eyed. I doubt theyd write all that in the game. It would be legion walking around ME2 times a million. It's probably a private mission with just Shepard.

Expect to be surprised.

[Cakefish]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Cakefish wrote...
As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

As you can see those were indoctrinated Husk like Protheans and have obviously been mutated.

What? But then how do you explain these statues:



Come'on Bioware, don't make us believe for 2 whole games that they actually have awesome tentacle beards and then change them at the last minute! THAT'S NOT FAIR! Protheans, man I thought you were cool. So it turns out your just Collector look-a-likes but more boring versions, great!

[V1per7]

El Ejcovero wrote...

phantomdragoness wrote...

Imagine if no DLC were offered ever again. Another uproar, and yet another great rift will occur in the BioWare forums.

Good times.

I would be good with that, since I find withholding content on day one to be unacceptable and unethical. I don't want DLC, I want expansions, like back in the day when they were actually expanding the game with new content.

this is exactly how everyone feel. thanks

[Darji]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Darji wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Darji wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....

So because he survived with Cryo of some **** like that this make him important? I don't think so.

I cant believe people are soo dense to not the a prothean as a HUGE deal in the whole universe. And yeah he is totally uselss because he is dumb as **** and knows nothing  about the war or prothean technology.  But yeah I see now that the people who defend this are actually people who know nothing about the story at all.

Because you assume Protheans have better tech? I don't think so even if they did it's not a Soldier who will be able to create something. You would need him to be a scientist or something like that.

really? Wow.... I am out of words here...

Yeah, I actually read parts of the script concerning the Prothean, he doesn't do anything special.

The special thing already is that a prothean survived in the first place...
And the one above me makes a good point. walking with a prothean in your team should be a whole deal for the whole universe and people who actually see him.

[Xero759]

Looks like a quick money grab.

Any fan of Mass Effect will tell you that the new squad member just seems too important to be something that is downloaded instead of being on the disc. Based on the pack-in dlc for ME2, this seems like something that should come with new copies of the game.

In short, I feel like I'm being cheated when I feel obligated to spend an extra 10$ on launch to get the full ME3 experience.

[ArkkAngel007]

HiroVoid wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

The prothean is probably a minor character because only Shepard should understand him because of the beacon. They can't hook a translator to a language no one knows. Plus everywhere you'd go npc's would be wide eyed. I doubt theyd write all that in the game. It would be legion walking around ME2 times a million. It's probably a private mission with just Shepard.

Expect to be surprised.

What do you mean?  He is a minor character.

[El Ejcovero]

Texaboose wrote...

I wonder what would have happened if EA sold all copies of ME3 for $70 (not Bioware, since they don't determine price), and included Prothy with it, would there be this debate?

I think games are overpriced at $60, especially in our current economy, but I would find it more acceptable if you charged $70 and included all current content, at least you know you get all available content when you purchase and they didn't cut out parts of the game to sell to you later.

[nitefyre410]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

This DLC, in a nutshell, is ME3's equivalent of Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian. Hardly a new thing, so I don't really see the issue. But whatever.

Except Sebastian had a fairly major role. And the Prothean is the last surviving member of a species that's played a pivotal role in the series thus far... Yeah...

I actually do find it a bit odd how the Prothean is apparently unimportant to the story given what you stated. Not going to lie about that. The main point stands, though: it's Day 1 DLC just like any BioWare has released in recent years.

This makes this even worst considering that  a non dlc, non squadmate charater   was put in the game as fan/reporter  self- insert.

Just leaves me shaking my head  asking myself... "What are you doing Bioware?"

[gabe2gg]

streamlock wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

I'm sorry.  I have to call shenanigans on this one. 

Like-nine months ago when the cat slipped out of the bag " http://social.biowar...3/index/7551111 "
and Mr. Priestly responded with " Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy." (BTW, don't hate on him for doing that-he was just doing what he was told and did not specifically say anything other then the box/advert text was out of date technically anyway)

But I degress, the point being is that saying that developement was'nt even started until the core game was finished borderlines on, and may be blunt dishonesty.  I completly believe that it was not completed until late, maybe even after the game when into cirtification.  Putting day 1 DLC on the backburner during crunch is a no brainer.  But to expect us to believe that this.....scheme for lack af a non profane word was not a long time in planning is BS.

I know I'm in the minority in thinking the day 1 DLC deal to recover some used game sales is reasonable with no other simple solutions available.  But this is plain-I don't even have the words without sounding like a drunk sailor. 

As a disclaimer: I pre-purchased the DD version and will have access to the content.

What next- Pay a $10 dollars for the privilage to import save game data?  "Well, fans of the series will be shelling out the cash for the collectors edition anyway....."

.........I'm at a loss for words EAWare.  I always laughed at the people that used that term as raging idiots-but God Damn if it's not blatently the case. 

this Bioware is lying right to us. The game just went gold less than weeks ago. Bioware i am dissapoint. 

[padawanmage]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

padawanmage wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

True...I remembered these statues, looked at the Collectors and went...'HUH?"  

It's in the Mass Effect Universe art book that it's basically a retcon.

I really don't like that word...  

[tRambler]

What a lot of bull Bioware.
I've been a loyal fan of your games since I played Baldurs Gate as a kid, but your games have been declining the last few years after your corruption by EA and this is just the last straw.
I will not buy Mass Effect 3, there i said it, the first bioware game i have not bought(on a platform available to me) since BG. Day one DLC is just abhorrent to me, it is ethically unacceptable, and combining this with that DLC being a frickin Protheon character is just... I don't have the words. You just lost a loyal fan BW, a fan that is usually happy to buy your limited or collectors edition games. Just because of some stupid EA marketing decision.

[MegaSovereign]

RiouHotaru wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Do we know what the price of the DLC will be for SE owners?

10$

I think it would have been more reasonable for it to be <$5. Unless it was 2-3 hours of gameplay ofcourse.

It's a squad-member, a mission a weapon and an alternate appearance for EVERY squad-member.

That's worth 10 bucks to me.  Kasumi cost the same too.

I thought Kasumi was 560 points (7 bucks), you're thinking of Liar of the shadow broker which was 10 bucks.

[PaulSX]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

This DLC, in a nutshell, is ME3's equivalent of Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian. Hardly a new thing, so I don't really see the issue. But whatever.

it's different. Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian are all free to download and not really that important in lore and story.  But this protheam makes me feel like cutting Zevran from Origins or Merril from Dragon Age II and asking you to pay more money.

[El Ejcovero]

Xero759 wrote...

Looks like a quick money grab.

Any fan of Mass Effect will tell you that the new squad member just seems too important to be something that is downloaded instead of being on the disc. Based on the pack-in dlc for ME2, this seems like something that should come with new copies of the game.

In short, I feel like I'm being cheated when I feel obligated to spend an extra 10$ on launch to get the full ME3 experience.

And so we are being cheated... Shameful Bioware, shameful...

[AdmiralCheez]

Okay, so let me get this straight:

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Is ALL OF THIS STUFF still in the N7 edition?

[felipejiraya]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, so let me get this straight:

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Is ALL OF THIS STUFF still in the N7 edition?

Yes sir.

[Yuoaman]

Cakefish wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Cakefish wrote...
As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some crazy Collector (of which I've seen going around), I'm happy.

As you can see those were indoctrinated Husk like Protheans and have obviously been mutated.

What? But then how do you explain these statues:



Come'on Bioware, don't make us believe for 2 whole games that they actually have awesome tentacle beards and then change them at the last minute! THAT'S NOT FAIR! Protheans, man I thought you were cool. So it turns out your just Collector look-a-likes but more boring versions, great!

If you want I can PM you the answer, but yeah those are still not Protheans.

[AxisEvolve]

Cakefish wrote...
Come'on Bioware, don't make us believe for 2 whole games that they actually have awesome tentacle beards and then change them at the last minute! THAT'S NOT FAIR! Protheans, man I thought you were cool. So it turns out your just Collector look-a-likes but more boring versions, great!

Sigh...

This was all explained months ago. 

You thinking the Collectors look cooler is your opinion. Bioware doesn't develop games based on that.

Also, the person you quoted is wrong. They are not Prothean husks because they are not Prothean.

[Draconis6666]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

 

its not a matter of being  ungrateful ..its the fact that  no one believes that bs story about it was completed after the game and by a seperate team...no one.   This was planned  and  the people who are outraged have the absolute right to outraged.   Even if the the character is not that important to the story you making one set of people pay extra for content that is already there that another group of people  not paying for..   If you total eveything that  comes with the CE up  its worth way more than 10 bucks.  Matter of fact the soundtrack alone is  is 10 bucks at the cheapest. 

That  ain't right... it just ain't right.  

it makes even less of the buiness sense  considering that  they put themselves in the completely unwinnable position.   The best thing they could have done would have been to make it free from everyone. The CE people would have complained yes but  like I  said an 70 page artbook, litograph and digtial soundtrack  and every thing else still offered is way more than the 10 bucks extra.  

The lesser of two evils given the spot they are in now because now you have  ton of pissed of SE  buyers and CE  buyers beating down Bioware's door... bottomline

This was a dumb move from the start.

Mike's  statement was even dumber and did nothing but throw gas on the fire..

The fact is this simply isnt true, from a business standpoint this outrage is minor and will impact sales very little because the average consumer will never know it existed. There is plenty of believability that the DLC was not fully completed at the time the final build of the game was completed, that would have been months ago. Your argument is also wrong in that the other group IS paying for it they are being rewarded for paying more for the base unit, the fact that the other peoplw are given the option to purchase it at all is a favor to those people that the manufacturer does not have to extend, so yes complaining that you have the ability to purchase something that you would not otherwise have been able to IS being ungrateful

The key point is that even if it was REMOVED from the game, which is a stupid argument because it cannot be proved by any of the people who continue to spout it. It was removed because the developer of the game decided it was NOT a key part of the game and they would instead give it as an incentive to people who paid more for the collectors edition. They could just as easily have said "lets just remove this completely" and thrown it away and given it to no one. 

This whining and complaining is very much about entitlement, and people feeling that they desrve something simply because they are "loyal customers" that is not how business works. You do not deserve things because you buy someones products, they may give you things to reward you for doing so but you have no right to demand that they give things to you because you do so. If you have a problem with it dont buy it... thats how business works and its how it has worked for hundreds of years. If you dont like how free market economy works go live in a socialist economy where "everyone is equal" (lol yeah right) and see how you like it there.

[DiabolicallyRandom]

Ravenmyste wrote...

then we gamer should have bought the n7 ce rather then complain about paying a extra 10 bucks, yeah i think i speak for all the ce owners.. you all should have jumped on the boat when you first heard of the  dlc cover up when it was first told in JUNE..

Stop - Just stop right there - first, as a CE preorderer, I had no knowledge of this extra DLC even though it was talked about and known - not everyone can stay up on the latest and greatest news.

If, IF - IF the "collectors edition" did not have some limited number of copies, I could see this statement taking hold. However it was NOT an option for everyone - the collectors editions, as you might not be aware, are sold out - everywhere. You cannot reserve one anymore. They are simply unavailable. Before launch day. Most people do not "have the option" to have purchased the collectors edition.

Your argument has absolutely no merit - and it does not change the fact that they could have done the "right thing" and included the prothean as day one DLC for ALL NEW GAME purchases, and had a different character, less integral to the core lore of the series, as day one DLC free only for "collectors" editions.

[Warden130]

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

Don't expect him to look like that, thoughs statues are not of Protheans.

[GnusmasTHX]

padawanmage wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

padawanmage wrote...

Cakefish wrote...



As long as they look like they are meant to and not like some wannabe Collector (of which I've seen concept art going around), I'm happy.

I want an actual Prothean not some dumb Collector thanks. They are nothing without their awesome tentacle beard.

True...I remembered these statues, looked at the Collectors and went...'HUH?"  

It's in the Mass Effect Universe art book that it's basically a retcon.

I really don't like that word...  

Tough.

Their reasoning was that since the statues were left ambiguous, they had free reign to design the Protheans as they saw fit in ME3. 

Nevermind that

1. The Collector's were designed before Protheans, and the Protheans backwards from the Collector's.
2. The statues match the visions of "old Prothean's" become Collector's.
3. The Codex.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 23 février 2012 - 01:03 .

[Vasiliii]

You cut a Prothean from the game and then tried to sell it as on launch DLC?


How is this even ethical? I'm not buying ME3 and I won't pirate it (that would just give you more ammo against the PC gamers wouldn't it?).

What a way to end a franchise, by milking the fans.

[Yuoaman]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, so let me get this straight:

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Is ALL OF THIS STUFF still in the N7 edition?

Yes it is.