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[Stealth3]

fropas wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Only LotSB wasnt released day 1.  That was clearly content created after the game came out.  The prothean is clearly content that was though about and created before the game was finished.  Proof is the demo and leaked script...

This whole certification bull**** is just bull**** because that **** is all paperwork and done in paralel.  The prothean is not included in the full game for the sole reason of selling it as a DLC.  And perhaps they made it less important to justify selling it as DLC.   Just the concept of the prothean squadmate is more important than half your squad in ME2.  There were some really unimportant characters in ME2. 

They can make it important, unimportant...doesnt matter.  The point is, they chose to take something crucial to the lore/universe and sell it as DLC because they know it is likely to sell and therefore generate maximum profit for something that chances are was at least somewhat part of the game itself.

The release day is irrelevant to me. Because they intended it to be ADDITIONAL CONTENT ever since they advertised it in the CE commercial.

But your argument is that it's"too important to the lore" to be considered additional. And I'm telling you this is your flawed assumption. LotSB was also very important to ME lore/universe, but it was still 10$. I'm simply reminding you that BW doesn't release "important" content free to its consumers. . .sorry that's been the way BW/EA has operated since ME2. You don't need to accept that, but it won't change anything.

Bioware just lost a customer.  Like I said before.....they don't want my money so **** them. 

[O3Hundred]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I would understand if it was someone like Zaeed in ME2. Who has nothing to do with the story, he's just an additional character that you can have in your squad. Same goes for Kasumi. But a Prothean squadmate is much more than a regular squadmate.

Just some random smuck that people won't care about and justify asking loyal fans to get them to buy  a CE for the final game of the trilogy, which is supposed to bring closure and be a big deal. Hope you didn't put much thought into that comment.

The Prothean Character and DLC that means a lot of fans is a great treat for those who invested early into the new game via pre-ordering the CE which is meant to be dealt with in limited supply before the game is launched is sold well. 

This is nothing too different than paying off your most loyal investors with dividends with preferred stock than those who bought the normal stock. 

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person.

If that's your definition of what a CE is for, I can see your disapppointment. Personally Collector Editions are usually before their devaluation from Gaming Companies 2007-2011 is that they're supposed to bring extended hedons to those who think highly of the franchise and are meant to have items to please such fans.

It doesn't mean they are supposed to be merely trinkets and what not. Non-essential items but would make a long-time fan smile. Being the final game of the series, the Collector Edition of Mass Effect should make that happen. 

With the Prothean Character, and a visit to Eden Prime where the series started + alternate customes I assume will be original outfits of some character or outfits of characters that long-time fans have seen or wanted for some characters from earlier games, art books, and even fan-made outfits for specific characters this is a GREAT extra content... 

I am a long time fan, but it's not my fault that I can't afford a CE. Not everyone has enough money to go out an buy it. I am a student at a University. I go to Uni, then go to work, come home at 10PM, play for a couple of hours and go to sleep. So why should I be left out, if I can't afford it right now? I wouldn't bother proving stuff if this was just a DLC like Normandy's crash site, where you could go back to places you have been to in previous games, and explore( Feros, Noveria, Virmire i.e ) . I wouldn't. But this is far more important, than regular DLC.

What's 'regular' DLC? Enligthen me. I'm a student as well at a Uni. Mass Effect 3 is a game and therefore is not necessary for you to live. If you can't afford it, buy only what you can which is the SE which you don't have to buy at all. You will still have a fine experience. You and only you can make a budget of how much to spend on anything. If you felt that you can't afford $20 dollars more for a CE that was offered the same exact time as the SE, that's a problem you put on yourself rather than something that is more important to your well being like food, books, and etc....

Regular DLC is anything other story impacting. i.e Appearance, additional weapons. I am not from the US, and the money here is not the dollars. Mass Effect 3 SE here costs 70$, which is equlivant to my grocery shopping payment for food that's enough for a week. A CE costs 110$. I could get it in illegal ways, but I am not that kind of person. I am too much of a fan, to go down to that level. So now, you see my problem.

Groceries vs. CE. You made the right decision. However it's a want not a need as far as ME is concerned and you shouldn't demand something now that you know what it is for something that you knew was a possibility of existing months ago when the CE was announced. It's a great fan-service item as it is, but not core to gameplay. If it is found out to be by reviewers, then we have a story;  Until then, most people here with their arguments about it being too important to not be in the SE is baseless and naive from something they don't own or have no say in the story.

I said this for a few times now. If they released him after a few months, like they did with any DLC for Mass Effect 2. There wouldn't be 300 something pages here filled with arguments that are saying that this should be in SE. Day One DLC is a knife in the back from them. You keep sticking to the CE. But I am sure there are many more ways to benefit the people who bought the CE without this move from BioWare.

[MissOuJ]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Again,, DLC should not be free.  What it should be, however, is better planned and managed. This is the fundimental break down here.  The idea of using a Prothean outside the core game was not well thought out, unless thier goal was to appear to be forcing people to buy the DLC if they want the complete experiance.

I can agree with that, but I kinda have to agree with BioWare wanting to make a DLC that's actually worth the $10 aswell. Seems like they were a bit too successful there, however. Or they underestimated the love and attention people pay on the lore of the ME universe, but that's pretty much a summary of how Deception got greenlighted right there...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 08:15 .

[AlanC9]

O3Hundred wrote...

rainasa wrote...
so then you where also against LotSB, kasumi, and arrival as well? hell shadow broker and arrival have a much bigger impact on the story then from ashes does, all the infomation javick provides is also found in the original ME3 game, nor does he have any importance in the main story.

Nope. They were released WAY after game release, and you could see that they worked on it after finishing the game. That is justified in every way.  This, however, is not. If they released him in 2 months time, I would not be here arguing, since I wouldn't know that they cut him out from the game, behind my back, and asked me to pay extra money for something I should already have.

Thing is, if you looked at a leaked ME2 script you'll probably find most of LotSB in there. What's left in ME2 is obviously a hook for the future DLC.

If Bio thinks that your position is common among gamers, it gives them an incentive to deliberately delay content for a couple of months. Put the people who were going to work on From Ashes onto TOR, and finish up From Ashes after ME3 ships. (It means they can't use this content for the CE, but OTOH they would now get revenue from CE buyers who would have got the DLC free under the existing plan.)

[Lufven1]

What if Bioware would create like 6 characters and make them all day-one DLC? If they claim that "it did not in any way hinder our development of the main game" would you believe them? People clearly believe anything others tell them. Where do you draw the line here?

I mean, this has a snowball effect on their future releases which will now probably all come with some day-one payed DLC. This is not just a question of Bioware's corporate model but on the industry as a whole. It's getting ridiculous.

[BaronIveagh]

obie191970 wrote...

That was only the last one.  The first three were written by Drew and were spot on in the lore.

There were a few in Drews too where he contradicted himself, but it doesn't avoid the issue of the difference between what Vigil says and what Ninja is claiming.

[rainasa]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...




That was Deception, which was complete trash, but it didn't cover any of this.

The Protheans did build the conduit...whether that was through purely their own research or from their precursors, well...
Guess you have to play Mass Effect 3:devil:

Or wait until someone updates the wiki.  That works too.

the wiki part isnt going to happen for awhile, the mass effect wikia almost got in heaps of trouble when they posted mass effect 2 spoilers (people kept posting it dispite getting a cease and dissist order)

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[nightcobra]

fropas wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Only LotSB wasnt released day 1.  That was clearly content created after the game came out.  The prothean is clearly content that was though about and created before the game was finished.  Proof is the demo and leaked script...

This whole certification bull**** is just bull**** because that **** is all paperwork and done in paralel.  The prothean is not included in the full game for the sole reason of selling it as a DLC.  And perhaps they made it less important to justify selling it as DLC.   Just the concept of the prothean squadmate is more important than half your squad in ME2.  There were some really unimportant characters in ME2. 

They can make it important, unimportant...doesnt matter.  The point is, they chose to take something crucial to the lore/universe and sell it as DLC because they know it is likely to sell and therefore generate maximum profit for something that chances are was at least somewhat part of the game itself.

The release day is irrelevant to me. Because they intended it to be ADDITIONAL CONTENT ever since they advertised it in the CE commercial.

But your argument is that it's"too important to the lore" to be considered additional. And I'm telling you this is your flawed assumption. LotSB was also very important to ME lore/universe, but it was still 10$. I'm simply reminding you that BW doesn't release "important" content free to its consumers. . .sorry that's been the way BW/EA has operated since ME2. You don't need to accept that, but it won't change anything.

LOTSB is important to the lore yes, but it also was developed and released far after launch.
not developed befored and released at launch

[wrdnshprd]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I would understand if it was someone like Zaeed in ME2. Who has nothing to do with the story, he's just an additional character that you can have in your squad. Same goes for Kasumi. But a Prothean squadmate is much more than a regular squadmate.

Just some random smuck that people won't care about and justify asking loyal fans to get them to buy  a CE for the final game of the trilogy, which is supposed to bring closure and be a big deal. Hope you didn't put much thought into that comment.

The Prothean Character and DLC that means a lot of fans is a great treat for those who invested early into the new game via pre-ordering the CE which is meant to be dealt with in limited supply before the game is launched is sold well. 

This is nothing too different than paying off your most loyal investors with dividends with preferred stock than those who bought the normal stock. 

I get your point, and I understand their point of view. But you didn't understand my point. I didn't say they should shove some random person into the CE. A Prothean as a squady is too important to dismiss (which is why I mentioned Kasumi / Zaeed, they are not important, but can still be bought as extra content ) I am a Mass Effect fan, I own both games, but I didn't buy either as a CE. CE have statues, and whatnot, for people with money. I am not that person.

If that's your definition of what a CE is for, I can see your disapppointment. Personally Collector Editions are usually before their devaluation from Gaming Companies 2007-2011 is that they're supposed to bring extended hedons to those who think highly of the franchise and are meant to have items to please such fans.

It doesn't mean they are supposed to be merely trinkets and what not. Non-essential items but would make a long-time fan smile. Being the final game of the series, the Collector Edition of Mass Effect should make that happen. 

With the Prothean Character, and a visit to Eden Prime where the series started + alternate customes I assume will be original outfits of some character or outfits of characters that long-time fans have seen or wanted for some characters from earlier games, art books, and even fan-made outfits for specific characters this is a GREAT extra content... 

I am a long time fan, but it's not my fault that I can't afford a CE. Not everyone has enough money to go out an buy it. I am a student at a University. I go to Uni, then go to work, come home at 10PM, play for a couple of hours and go to sleep. So why should I be left out, if I can't afford it right now? I wouldn't bother proving stuff if this was just a DLC like Normandy's crash site, where you could go back to places you have been to in previous games, and explore( Feros, Noveria, Virmire i.e ) . I wouldn't. But this is far more important, than regular DLC.

What's 'regular' DLC? Enligthen me. I'm a student as well at a Uni. Mass Effect 3 is a game and therefore is not necessary for you to live. If you can't afford it, buy only what you can which is the SE which you don't have to buy at all. You will still have a fine experience. You and only you can make a budget of how much to spend on anything. If you felt that you can't afford $20 dollars more for a CE that was offered the same exact time as the SE, that's a problem you put on yourself rather than something that is more important to your well being like food, books, and etc....

Regular DLC is anything other story impacting. i.e Appearance, additional weapons. I am not from the US, and the money here is not the dollars. Mass Effect 3 SE here costs 70$, which is equlivant to my grocery shopping payment for food that's enough for a week. A CE costs 110$. I could get it in illegal ways, but I am not that kind of person. I am too much of a fan, to go down to that level. So now, you see my problem.

Groceries vs. CE. You made the right decision. However it's a want not a need as far as ME is concerned and you shouldn't demand something now that you know what it is for something that you knew was a possibility of existing months ago when the CE was announced. It's a great fan-service item as it is, but not core to gameplay. If it is found out to be by reviewers, then we have a story;  Until then, most people here with their arguments about it being too important to not be in the SE is baseless and naive from something they don't own or have no say in the story.

the problem is, if this were made by the companies that didnt monetize
story driven content at launch (pretty much everyone else), he wouldnt
have been in that situation.. he could still enjoy the same amount of
story driven content as the  CE buyer, just without having the extra
'fluff'.

[rainasa]

O3Hundred wrote...

I said this for a few times now. If they released him after a few months, like they did with any DLC for Mass Effect 2. There wouldn't be 300 something pages here filled with arguments that are saying that this should be in SE. Day One DLC is a knife in the back from them. You keep sticking to the CE. But I am sure there are many more ways to benefit the people who bought the CE without this move from BioWare.

for the love of all you find holy, O3Hundred learn to break quotes up!!
there is no excuse for having a post that contains almost 10 friggen quotes in it.

 you too wrdnshprd  threre was 8 quotes in that post, and only one was needed. work on that.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 08:11 .

[fropas]

Stealth3 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Only LotSB wasnt released day 1.  That was clearly content created after the game came out.  The prothean is clearly content that was though about and created before the game was finished.  Proof is the demo and leaked script...

This whole certification bull**** is just bull**** because that **** is all paperwork and done in paralel.  The prothean is not included in the full game for the sole reason of selling it as a DLC.  And perhaps they made it less important to justify selling it as DLC.   Just the concept of the prothean squadmate is more important than half your squad in ME2.  There were some really unimportant characters in ME2. 

They can make it important, unimportant...doesnt matter.  The point is, they chose to take something crucial to the lore/universe and sell it as DLC because they know it is likely to sell and therefore generate maximum profit for something that chances are was at least somewhat part of the game itself.

The release day is irrelevant to me. Because they intended it to be ADDITIONAL CONTENT ever since they advertised it in the CE commercial.

But your argument is that it's"too important to the lore" to be considered additional. And I'm telling you this is your flawed assumption. LotSB was also very important to ME lore/universe, but it was still 10$. I'm simply reminding you that BW doesn't release "important" content free to its consumers. . .sorry that's been the way BW/EA has operated since ME2. You don't need to accept that, but it won't change anything.

Bioware just lost a customer.  Like I said before.....they don't want my money so **** them. 

Once again, I hope your money makes you happy .

[AlanC9]

Lufven1 wrote...

What if Bioware would create like 6 characters and make them all day-one DLC? If they claim that "it did not in any way hinder our development of the main game" would you believe them? People clearly believe anything others tell them. Where do you draw the line here?

At wherever I wouldn't find the game without the DLCs worth the money I was paying for the game without the DLCs.

It's not rocket science. Whatever Bio does or doesn't do with DLCs doesn't have anything to do with that transaction. Either the base game is worth buying or it isn't.

[BaronIveagh]

Please stop with the huge pyramids. This is BSN, not lost city of Chichen Itza

[fropas]

O3Hundred wrote...

Regular DLC is anything other story impacting. i.e Appearance, additional weapons. I am not from the US, and the money here is not the dollars. Mass Effect 3 SE here costs 70$, which is equlivant to my grocery shopping payment for food that's enough for a week. A CE costs 110$. I could get it in illegal ways, but I am not that kind of person. I am too much of a fan, to go down to that level. So now, you see my problem.

Think of it this way, by not buying the 110$ CE you actually save 30$ since SE + DLC is still only 80$ for you .

Modifié par fropas, 25 février 2012 - 08:12 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
it's obvious you haven't read the books because some of the things you said are handled in the books. It's nowhere implied that the conduite is built by the Protheans, liek I said the statues on Ilos imply the facilities there were bult by another species before the Prothean. As explained in the books and as seen on Omega, most Prothean tech comes from others.

Read the books then come back.

Vigil flat out says they built the conduit in ME 1.  Play the games and then come back.


BTW: you have seen the massive list of screwups in the books that was so bad Bioware has promised to reissue them with corrected lore, right?

He said they were about to unlock the secrets behind mass relay technology. He never said they created the conduit, could be they found it as an artifact left behind from another species.

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Please stop with the huge pyramids. This is BSN, not lost city of Chichen Itza

Cities aren't built out of pyramids, there's only 3 at Chichen Itza, and IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM. (Inner archaeologist has to comment on this, sorry).

[MissOuJ]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

LOTSB is important to the lore yes, but it also was developed and released far after launch.
not developed befored and released at launch

There were files (mostly audio) on the disk which were there for the future DLC from day 1 though. This also happened with Kasumi. Just goes to show that any company worth its money plans DLC before hand. It might not get finished before the game goes to certification, but it gets at least planned for during the main development time.

[rainasa]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...



He said they were about to unlock the secrets behind mass relay technology. He never said they created the conduit, could be they found it as an artifact left behind from another species.

spolier finger itching....no! no! I must resist!

[g99]

My original post's might be a little wrong on the side of price. If they think it is worth 10$ OK, I just hope it REALLY is worth this much money. Specially considering the fact this will take my/your Shepard away from fighting the war. Think how many humans will die during the time I help this prothe? hmm... It better be worth this time.

[ArkkAngel007]

Azure33 wrote...

I'm guessing that the ME3 original game will end in a cliffhanger. Then it will be followed up by multiple "non-required" DLC releases that will piece together the rest of the story a little at a time. Finally it will culminate in a "Finale" DLC that will cost around $20 and contain about 4 hours of content. The final cost for all the "non-required"(but narrative forwarding) DLC will be $60-70. Add that to the original cost of the game and, well you can do the math.

Except there (supposedly) won't be any post-narrative DLC for ME3.  It will just be auxillary missions/content for the campaign and multiplayer stuff.

[O3Hundred]

AlanC9 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

rainasa wrote...
so then you where also against LotSB, kasumi, and arrival as well? hell shadow broker and arrival have a much bigger impact on the story then from ashes does, all the infomation javick provides is also found in the original ME3 game, nor does he have any importance in the main story.

Nope. They were released WAY after game release, and you could see that they worked on it after finishing the game. That is justified in every way.  This, however, is not. If they released him in 2 months time, I would not be here arguing, since I wouldn't know that they cut him out from the game, behind my back, and asked me to pay extra money for something I should already have.

Thing is, if you looked at a leaked ME2 script you'll probably find most of LotSB in there. What's left in ME2 is obviously a hook for the future DLC.

If Bio thinks that your position is common among gamers, it gives them an incentive to deliberately delay content for a couple of months. Put the people who were going to work on From Ashes onto TOR, and finish up From Ashes after ME3 ships. (It means they can't use this content for the CE, but OTOH they would now get revenue from CE buyers who would have got the DLC free under the existing plan.)

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...



He said they were about to unlock the secrets behind mass relay technology. He never said they created the conduit, could be they found it as an artifact left behind from another species.

spolier finger itching....no! no! I must resist!

I know 

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 08:16 .

[MasterofMunchaster]

So let met get this straight.. now.. I have to pay.. 800 microsoft points... to get those extra appearance packs... and.. that new weapon... while I've already got the Mission and Squadmate through the CE... so basically... I'm paying full price.. for something I already own half of..

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...
Cities aren't built out of pyramids, there's only 3 at Chichen Itza, and IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM. (Inner archaeologist has to comment on this, sorry).

I would have reffed to Deir el-Medina, but that would have gotten a lot of blank looks.

[O3Hundred]

fropas wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Regular DLC is anything other story impacting. i.e Appearance, additional weapons. I am not from the US, and the money here is not the dollars. Mass Effect 3 SE here costs 70$, which is equlivant to my grocery shopping payment for food that's enough for a week. A CE costs 110$. I could get it in illegal ways, but I am not that kind of person. I am too much of a fan, to go down to that level. So now, you see my problem.

Think of it this way, by not buying the 110$ CE you actually save 30$ since SE + DLC is still only 80$ for you .

Hahaha, glad someone still have his sense of humor with him. Yeah, I already thought about this, but I am still angry with what they did.