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[Lufven1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

What if Bioware would create like 6 characters and make them all day-one DLC? If they claim that "it did not in any way hinder our development of the main game" would you believe them? People clearly believe anything others tell them. Where do you draw the line here?

At wherever I wouldn't find the game without the DLCs worth the money I was paying for the game without the DLCs.

It's not rocket science. Whatever Bio does or doesn't do with DLCs doesn't have anything to do with that transaction. Either the base game is worth buying or it isn't.

Oh but it is worth bringing up. What most people here are upset about is the fact that a game at launch should include ALL the content. And I don't really view a new weapon as perticularly interesting content but ANY new character certainly is.

[rainasa]

O3Hundred wrote...

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

where do people keep getting the "it was cut from the game!!!" mentality form?? from ashes was NEVER going to be part of ME3, from ashes was realeased as DLC because it had to be, it COULD NOT be part of the original game it is optional content that is not required for the story at all.

[Candidate 88766]

MasterofMunchaster wrote...

So let met get this straight.. now.. I have to pay.. 800 microsoft points... to get those extra appearance packs... and.. that new weapon... while I've already got the Mission and Squadmate through the CE... so basically... I'm paying full price.. for something I already own half of..

No.

The entire 800 points DLC is included with the CE.

Character, mission, weapon, appearances, the lot.

[Kevin Lozandier]

O3Hundred wrote...

I said this for a few times now. If they released him after a few months, like they did with any DLC for Mass Effect 2. There wouldn't be 300 something pages here filled with arguments that are saying that this should be in SE. Day One DLC is a knife in the back from them. You keep sticking to the CE. But I am sure there are many more ways to benefit the people who bought the CE without this move from BioWare.

I keep sticking to the CE because it was their selling point of the CE for months now. You basically are acting, like many waaaaaay after the fact, off something that was announced years ago and are acting now mostly because you think it's too good to be missed out by SE owners such as yourself. 

Therefore, I have no pity for your disappointment of not being able to have the content for free. By all means act with your dollars and voice your arguments that have mostly leaned to flawed, post hoc fallacies, and more that I can't really see as convincing.

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[ArkkAngel007]

MasterofMunchaster wrote...

So let met get this straight.. now.. I have to pay.. 800 microsoft points... to get those extra appearance packs... and.. that new weapon... while I've already got the Mission and Squadmate through the CE... so basically... I'm paying full price.. for something I already own half of..

No.  The CE comes with the code to download the entire "From Ashes" DLC.  That means Javrik, the Eden Prime mission you recruit him on, the Prothean weapon you receive in that mission, and alternative appearances for Liara, Kaidan, and (I think) James.

[MissOuJ]

MasterofMunchaster wrote...

So let met get this straight.. now.. I have to pay.. 800 microsoft points... to get those extra appearance packs... and.. that new weapon... while I've already got the Mission and Squadmate through the CE... so basically... I'm paying full price.. for something I already own half of..

No. If you have preordered the CE you get pretty mcuh everything: prothy + mission + appearance packs (x2 - one from Ashes and the other one from CE)

Edit Oh shoot 'd

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[AlanC9]

O3Hundred wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
If Bio thinks that your position is common among gamers, it gives them an incentive to deliberately delay content for a couple of months. Put the people who were going to work on From Ashes onto TOR, and finish up From Ashes after ME3 ships. (It means they can't use this content for the CE, but OTOH they would now get revenue from CE buyers who would have got the DLC free under the existing plan.)

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[Shadowrun1177]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
it's obvious you haven't read the books because some of the things you said are handled in the books. It's nowhere implied that the conduite is built by the Protheans, liek I said the statues on Ilos imply the facilities there were bult by another species before the Prothean. As explained in the books and as seen on Omega, most Prothean tech comes from others.

Read the books then come back.

Vigil flat out says they built the conduit in ME 1.  Play the games and then come back.


BTW: you have seen the massive list of screwups in the books that was so bad Bioware has promised to reissue them with corrected lore, right?

Only one book is being reissue cause of lore errors the most recent one, which was written by a different author from the first three. Mass Effect Revelation, Ascension, and Retribution where all written by Drew Karpyshyn the lead writer of ME1 and one of the lead writers of ME2. Mass Effect: Deception is the one with the lore errors and was written by William Dietz.

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...
Cities aren't built out of pyramids, there's only 3 at Chichen Itza, and IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM. (Inner archaeologist has to comment on this, sorry).

I would have reffed to Deir el-Medina, but that would have gotten a lot of blank looks.

Those are tombs. Nobody lives in a tomb. City of the dead is a necropolis, but I consider those seperate and special to living cities. More bones to be found in necropoli.

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I know 

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Like so?  http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

[BaronIveagh]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Only one book is being reissue cause of lore errors the most recent one, which was written by a different author from the first three. Mass Effect Revelation, Ascension, and Retribution where all written by Drew Karpyshyn the lead writer of ME1 and one of the lead writers of ME2. Mass Effect: Deception is the one with the lore errors and was written by William Dietz.

Ten people have already posted on that.  I have already replied where needed.

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

where do people keep getting the "it was cut from the game!!!" mentality form?? from ashes was NEVER going to be part of ME3, from ashes was realeased as DLC because it had to be, it COULD NOT be part of the original game it is optional content that is not required for the story at all.

You have to understand their reasoning, which isn't bad mind you, is that because it was entirely developed before the launch of the game, it should have been included with the game as free DLC.  That's a perfectly understandable impression to get from the situation.

No one cares if it was made with a separate budget and took additional resources.  It's the timing of its development is what they are focusing on.

[O3Hundred]

rainasa wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

where do people keep getting the "it was cut from the game!!!" mentality form?? from ashes was NEVER going to be part of ME3, from ashes was realeased as DLC because it had to be, it COULD NOT be part of the original game it is optional content that is not required for the story at all.

It wasn't cut, more of blocked from access. It is in the demo, that already means something. By "buying" the DLC, you would actually just unblock that content. But that's not my problem, the problem is, that they are making it a Day One DLC. Day One = Full Package, right? But BioWare wants you to spend more money on top of what you already paid.

[rainasa]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I know 

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Like so?  http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

no we mean throughout ME3 we gain new insight into things like the conduit, and its a major plot point, so if we say anything the mods shall come down faster on us than pastries draw varric

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 08:28 .

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Those are tombs. Nobody lives in a tomb. City of the dead is a necropolis, but I consider those seperate and special to living cities. More bones to be found in necropoli.

Yes, but at one time thre was a city of the living adjacent to them.  The dead bodies didn't just materialize out of thin air.

[rapscallioness]

Meh. If I had things my way, SE customers wouldn't have gotten access to Prothy at all. It would have been exclusive for the ppl that went outta their way to pre-order the CE.

I'm still hopeful that they'll yank access to Prothy from the SE customers. Although, I doubt that's gonna happen.

[AlanC9]

O3Hundred wrote...
 By "buying" the DLC, you would actually just unblock that content.

That's just false. Sound files are there, but nothing necessary to actually use those sound files. No model, scripts, levels, none of that.

[bennyjammin79]

Definitely a violin.

[rainasa]

O3Hundred wrote...


It wasn't cut, more of blocked from access. It is in the demo, that already means something. By "buying" the DLC, you would actually just unblock that content. But that's not my problem, the problem is, that they are making it a Day One DLC. Day One = Full Package, right? But BioWare wants you to spend more money on top of what you already paid.

uhh, no the VO was done in the demo, and that is required to be done by then, just like with kasumi who's VO and early concept model was found on the main disc, the planet eden prime, and everything else about from ashes was not developed untill after the game went into certification

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 08:32 .

[BTCentral]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Again,, DLC should not be free.  What it should be, however, is better planned and managed.

This.

Can't fully stand with your breakdown, but that right there...bravo.

I agree, but at the same time it was not BioWare's fault that Microsoft mucked up for a second time (first time being the beta leak) and posted the DLC to XBL.

If they hadn't - everyone could have continued living in blissful ignorance and BioWare could have announced it a couple of weeks after the game was released for all we know.

However, because Microsoft did muck up, EA/BioWare's hand was forced and they had to announce it - the damage had already been done.

Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 08:26 .

[Lufven1]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

where do people keep getting the "it was cut from the game!!!" mentality form?? from ashes was NEVER going to be part of ME3, from ashes was realeased as DLC because it had to be, it COULD NOT be part of the original game it is optional content that is not required for the story at all.

You have to understand their reasoning, which isn't bad mind you, is that because it was entirely developed before the launch of the game, it should have been included with the game as free DLC.  That's a perfectly understandable impression to get from the situation.

No one cares if it was made with a separate budget and took additional resources.  It's the timing of its development is what they are focusing on.

Yes, exactly. I don't know why Bioware thought this was a good idea from a PR standpoint. First of people were upset with the whole Origin exclusive and all that and now this. It's such a terrible PR move.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I know 

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Like so?  http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Not that.  I meant from the script for ME3.  I could post whatever I find on the wiki all I want.

Posting specific details on ME3 though from the script?...yeah, I'd rather not get banned and lose my access to play ME3 on PC 

I was already pushing it when giving semi-details on the first script present in the files.  The only reason I probably haven't been contacted on it have been a) it's no longer relevent content and this thread grows so fast that I'd be amazed if BioWare and the mods are picking up half of what we've discussed.

[O3Hundred]

AlanC9 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
If Bio thinks that your position is common among gamers, it gives them an incentive to deliberately delay content for a couple of months. Put the people who were going to work on From Ashes onto TOR, and finish up From Ashes after ME3 ships. (It means they can't use this content for the CE, but OTOH they would now get revenue from CE buyers who would have got the DLC free under the existing plan.)

Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.

So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?

They can finish From Ashes, and then move on to other DLC or whatever BioWare is planning. Just wait from releasing it on day one. On day one, people want the full complete game. But when they say, extra content on the same day that you got the so called "complete" package for that day, is very sad.

[O3Hundred]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
I know 

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Like so?  http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Not that.  I meant from the script for ME3.  I could post whatever I find on the wiki all I want.

Posting specific details on ME3 though from the script?...yeah, I'd rather not get banned and lose my access to play ME3 on PC 

I was already pushing it when giving semi-details on the first script present in the files.  The only reason I probably haven't been contacted on it have been a) it's no longer relevent content and this thread grows so fast that I'd be amazed if BioWare and the mods are picking up half of what we've discussed.

Mind PMing me with the info?

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Those are tombs. Nobody lives in a tomb. City of the dead is a necropolis, but I consider those seperate and special to living cities. More bones to be found in necropoli.

Yes, but at one time thre was a city of the living adjacent to them.  The dead bodies didn't just materialize out of thin air.

I don't consider a graveyard a city! *fist shake* (This is nice relief. I'm not being serious, are you?)