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BaronIveagh wrote...

The problem with that is that Bioware themselves slipped up and announced the same... nine months ago.

While that's true, they still managed to cover that up pretty effectively. (I'm not going to say they lied/denied it, because they didn't - they just chose their words very carefully).

A lot of people that were not following the forums closely would not have known about that.

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Does it suck that there is day 1 DLC that would have been better off just being in the game? You bet. Is boycotting the game and depriving yourself of an experience you know will enjoy anyway going to make a difference? No, you are just hurting yourself and the game will still sell a ton anyway.

I was initially irked about all of this as well, but came to realize that I am still going to love this game. What good is it going to do if I pout and deny myself the conclusion I have been waiting for since 2007? If you want to say no to something, just don't buy the DLC. Maybe it will be worth it on a second play through or something. But for crying out loud, don't deny yourself the game, guys.

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obie191970 wrote...

Nobody seemed to care back then.  That was the time for this discussion to take place.  Maybe then it could have been addressed.


It was, and Chris Preistly claimed it had been removed.  And people belived him.  He just left out tht the leaked info was being removed, not hte DLC.

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BaronIveagh wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Nobody seemed to care back then.  That was the time for this discussion to take place.  Maybe then it could have been addressed.

It was, and Chris Preistly claimed it had been removed.  And people belived him.

BTCentral wrote...

While that's true, they still managed to cover that up pretty effectively.
(I'm not going to say they lied/denied it, because they didn't - they just chose their words very carefully).

A lot of people that were not following the forums closely would not have known about that.

He claimed the advertising contained old wording. He never claimed it had been removed.

Modifié par BTCentral, 25 février 2012 - 08:45 .


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You mean other than the people who bought the CE and were promised an extra character and mission as advertised.


They shouldn't have advertised that in the first place. That's not the issue here at all. It's that fact that the DLC is there on release and not available to all the consumers (unless you open up your wallet).


What do you mean they shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers bought it specifically for that reason.

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obie191970 wrote...



Nobody seemed to care back then.  That was the time for this discussion to take place.  Maybe then it could have been addressed.


yep, every single time somone says " if they had just held off on the DLC until a few months later than none of this would have happened!! I feel like I enter bizarro world.

obie191970 wrote...



What do you mean they
shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin
with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers
bought it specifically for that reason.



i might have bought it otherwise, but the squadmate simply sealed the deal. to suddenly give it out for free would be bad, as of right now the QQ is simply in the form of temper tantrums, but then it will be "I want my 10$ back!" and that would be a logistical nightmare.

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BTCentral wrote...
He claimed the advertising contained old wording. He never claimed it had been removed.


*points back up to my post, which was revised due to being unclear.*

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Kasces wrote...

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If Bio thinks that your position is common among gamers, it gives them an incentive to deliberately delay content for a couple of months. Put the people who were going to work on From Ashes onto TOR, and finish up From Ashes after ME3 ships. (It means they can't use this content for the CE, but OTOH they would now get revenue from CE buyers who would have got the DLC free under the existing plan.)


Yes, but they didn't release it on Day One. On Day One, you want the complete package, but oh no, they decided to cut a part out of the game and make you buy it now, just when you thought that you bought the full package. DLCs' are supposed to make people come back to the game, replay it again, experience something you didn't already experience in that game.


So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?


They can finish From Ashes, and then move on to other DLC or whatever BioWare is planning. Just wait from releasing it on day one. On day one, people want the full complete game. But when they say, extra content on the same day that you got the so called "complete" package for that day, is very sad.


Why does it matter if it's just released later though? If it was always meant to end up as DLC, and you accept that, why not make it available as soon as possible? The criticism that a Prothean is too important to be regulated to DLC is an understandable point, I personally disagree with that as it depends on how he's written, but why would a company not make a DLC with such incentive available as soon as possible if it's going to be DLC no matter what?


I don't know about you, but when I buy a game on its official release day, I want to have everything the game has to offer on release day. But they come out and say that they already have additional content for the game. So what not? If we support this, by buying the DLC, this could become a trend, which will ruin what DLCs are for. Not only will you pay 60$ for the game, not get everything the game has to offer for that moment. But you will be forced to pay even more for the DLC, which was supposed to be in the package you bought.

DLCs' that are released post release (i.e 2 months) are not a problem. Day 1 DLCs' is what I am talking about.

Modifié par O3Hundred, 25 février 2012 - 08:50 .


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ArkkAngel007 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

spolier finger itching....no! no! I must resist!



I know :unsure:

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Let me know when I should stop reading then.

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obie191970 wrote...

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You mean other than the people who bought the CE and were promised an extra character and mission as advertised.


They shouldn't have advertised that in the first place. That's not the issue here at all. It's that fact that the DLC is there on release and not available to all the consumers (unless you open up your wallet).


What do you mean they shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers bought it specifically for that reason.


Yes, yes! We are getting somewhere here. Then you know why people are upset about this whole issue. They obvisouly want that extra character because it enhances their experience. No one complained about the silly dog, new outfits or extra guns because that's not important to the majority of the players. And if that is the main selling point of the CE (Collectors Edition: "Now with less collectables™") then Bioware have won...people need to hold on to their hard earned cash more.

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O3Hundred wrote...

I don't know about you, but when I buy a game on its official release day, I want to have everything the game has to offer on release day. But they come out and say that they already have additional content for the game. So what not? If we support this, by buying the DLC, this could become a trend, which will ruin what DLCs are for. Not only will you pay 60$ for the game, not get everything the game has to offer for that moment. But you will be forced to pay even more for the DLC, which was supposed to be in the package you bought.


No, it was supposed to be in the package for the $20 more expensive CE.  SE buyers are given the option to purchase a part of that package for $10.  This is not new information - People have known they were doing this for a long time.  I think the fact that they chose a Prothean as the DLC is more of an issue.  While not important to the game, anyone who has played the previous two is understandably going to want the chance to recruit a Prothean.

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_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

spolier finger itching....no! no! I must resist!



I know :unsure:

Worst part is, you PM them the source or where to get the source, and they blow it off anyways.  Just makes you want to splurge it all on here directly where no one can ignore it.

Let me know when I should stop reading then.


Well, I don't want to spoil the general public if I can avoid it.  I don't want to ruin anyone's experience with this DLC or the actual game.

But my main concern is BioWare on this matter.  And with the technical issues of Origin tied to your EA/BioWare account, I don't want to risk a ban that will prevent me from playing Mass Effect 3.  And even then, I enjoy this community enough that I'd rather not get banned in the first place.

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obie191970 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I don't know about you, but when I buy a game on its official release day, I want to have everything the game has to offer on release day. But they come out and say that they already have additional content for the game. So what not? If we support this, by buying the DLC, this could become a trend, which will ruin what DLCs are for. Not only will you pay 60$ for the game, not get everything the game has to offer for that moment. But you will be forced to pay even more for the DLC, which was supposed to be in the package you bought.


No, it was supposed to be in the package for the $20 more expensive CE.  SE buyers are given the option to purchase a part of that package for $10.  This is not new information - People have known they were doing this for a long time.  I think the fact that they chose a Prothean as the DLC is more of an issue.  While not important to the game, anyone who has played the previous two is understandably going to want the chance to recruit a Prothean.


Exactly. I mean, if it was some new characters from the current races, then sure. It wouldn't be a problem. But what also bothers me, is that its Day 1 Release. If BioWare makes enough money from this "deal", other companies could notice this, and make a habit of it. So essencially, you will stop paying 60$ for a game. And I am not happy with that thought.

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obie191970 wrote...


No, it was supposed to be in the package for the $20 more expensive CE.  SE buyers are given the option to purchase a part of that package for $10.  This is not new information - People have known they were doing this for a long time.  I think the fact that they chose a Prothean as the DLC is more of an issue.  While not important to the game, anyone who has played the previous two is understandably going to want the chance to recruit a Prothean.


pretty much. "the first squadmate released should not have been a prothean", and "they should have ofically announced it much sooner so we could talk to bioware about it." are valid complaints i can understand and even somewhat argree with.

however "the dlc  is being released on day one? oh the humanity! my game is no longer complete!!! gimme gimme I want  and derserve it for free!" is not

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 08:59 .


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obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

You mean other than the people who bought the CE and were promised an extra character and mission as advertised.


They shouldn't have advertised that in the first place. That's not the issue here at all. It's that fact that the DLC is there on release and not available to all the consumers (unless you open up your wallet).


What do you mean they shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers bought it specifically for that reason.



Why is that?  I mean, CEs have sold a ton since time immemorial without specific added in-game content. A lot of CEs ships quite a ton of units merely for the bonuses outside of the game, such as the soundtrack, an art book, or other random bonus item. Exclusive game content available in a limited special edition is an entirely new thing, and there's no reason to suggest that this matters more from a consumer perspective than all the other bonuses combined.

Heck, reading through the advertisement of the CE again and I notice that the existence of the character DLC takes a backseat position in favor of practically everything else. It's squeezed in besides other more elaborated small DLCs and in the form of an inner, less important, bullet point as opposed to being a major bullet point.

Collectors Edition contains

• Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
• 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
• Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
• Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch. 
• Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
• A full collection of in-game content that can’t be found anywhere else!
o N7 Arsenal Pack – Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
o Access to an additional downloadable mission and character 
o Mechdog Companion – A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
o Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack – New appearances for your favorite squad members.
o N7 Hoodie – For Commander Shepard’s casual days on board the Normandy.
• Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
• Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks. 

Modifié par Aemony, 25 février 2012 - 08:58 .


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Lufven1 wrote...

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So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?


I'm interfering here. Yes, delaying the DLC would make perfect sense actually. Just don't tell the consumers that the DLC was finished on day-one and this debate wouldn't have happened. I don't think ANYONE here would be upset if this DLC was released 1-2 months after the release-day.


Thanks.

This strikes me as being so irrational that I'm not sure how to respond to it. 

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obie191970 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I don't know about you, but when I buy a game on its official release day, I want to have everything the game has to offer on release day. But they come out and say that they already have additional content for the game. So what not? If we support this, by buying the DLC, this could become a trend, which will ruin what DLCs are for. Not only will you pay 60$ for the game, not get everything the game has to offer for that moment. But you will be forced to pay even more for the DLC, which was supposed to be in the package you bought.


No, it was supposed to be in the package for the $20 more expensive CE.  SE buyers are given the option to purchase a part of that package for $10.  This is not new information - People have known they were doing this for a long time.  I think the fact that they chose a Prothean as the DLC is more of an issue.  While not important to the game, anyone who has played the previous two is understandably going to want the chance to recruit a Prothean.


Just for giggles I'm going to make a list here of made up DLC's for ME3:

"All released on day-one"
10$ Reaper companion :)
10$ Equip the Normandy with nukes
10$ New character class: Scientist
10$ Alternate ending for ME3

Would you buy them all? The game would theoreticly cost 100$ now (give or take). Would it make you guys happy with more and more day-one DLC. You get your prothean with the CE but these four DLC's are not included.

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O3Hundred wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

O3Hundred wrote...

I don't know about you, but when I buy a game on its official release day, I want to have everything the game has to offer on release day. But they come out and say that they already have additional content for the game. So what not? If we support this, by buying the DLC, this could become a trend, which will ruin what DLCs are for. Not only will you pay 60$ for the game, not get everything the game has to offer for that moment. But you will be forced to pay even more for the DLC, which was supposed to be in the package you bought.


No, it was supposed to be in the package for the $20 more expensive CE.  SE buyers are given the option to purchase a part of that package for $10.  This is not new information - People have known they were doing this for a long time.  I think the fact that they chose a Prothean as the DLC is more of an issue.  While not important to the game, anyone who has played the previous two is understandably going to want the chance to recruit a Prothean.


Exactly. I mean, if it was some new characters from the current races, then sure. It wouldn't be a problem. But what also bothers me, is that its Day 1 Release. If BioWare makes enough money from this "deal", other companies could notice this, and make a habit of it. So essencially, you will stop paying 60$ for a game. And I am not happy with that thought.


Almost every game has day 1 DLC these days.  What's worse is that the majority of them are merely unlocks meaning they are already on the disc.  With Bioware advertising this as an extra to CE, I kind of view this issue a little differently.  As in not fleecing the customer with day 1 DLC, but offering a portion of the CE that they had to make anyway to everyone.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?


I'm interfering here. Yes, delaying the DLC would make perfect sense actually. Just don't tell the consumers that the DLC was finished on day-one and this debate wouldn't have happened. I don't think ANYONE here would be upset if this DLC was released 1-2 months after the release-day.


Thanks.

This strikes me as being so irrational that I'm not sure how to respond to it. 


orly? You don't understand that people are upset about day-one DLC's but are totally ok with DLC's being released months after?

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Aemony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

You mean other than the people who bought the CE and were promised an extra character and mission as advertised.


They shouldn't have advertised that in the first place. That's not the issue here at all. It's that fact that the DLC is there on release and not available to all the consumers (unless you open up your wallet).


What do you mean they shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers bought it specifically for that reason.



Why is that?  I mean, CEs have sold a ton since time immemorial without specific added in-game content. A lot of CEs ships quite a ton of units merely for the bonuses outside of the game, such as the soundtrack, an art book, or other random bonus item. Exclusive game content available in a limited special edition is an entirely new thing, and there's no reason to suggest that this matters more from a consumer perspective than all the other bonuses combined.

Heck, reading through the advertisement of the CE again and I notice that the existence of the character DLC takes a backseat position in favor of practically everything else. It's squeezed in besides other more elaborated small DLCs and in the form of an inner, less important, bullet point as opposed to being a major bullet point.


It's not an entirely new thing - Bioware has done it before with Warden's Keep for DAO.  All the Assassin's Creed CE's contain extra Lairs to explore.  I could go on and on with examples of how prevalent this is.

And where it is on the list is irrelevant.  I bought it because of the character and mission.  And from hearing others on here, most people did as well.

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Not like this is gonna stop the freakout for the more reptilian-brained members of the gaming community, but your candour is appreciated nevertheless.

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AlanC9 wrote...


Thanks.

This strikes me as being so irrational that I'm not sure how to respond to it. 


just Ignore Lufven1, his opinion is just so out there it makes talking to him without him twisting your words into the equivalent of a yoga position impossible.

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It's just confusing to customers. Imagine if you were a fan of the series, but didn't spend time on BSN and game websites to follow it. You just wanted the game so you put in a pre-order. You didn't buy the CE because you don't want all the extra fluff hanging around your house, because you only care about the game.

Fast forward to launch day. You go to pick up the game, and then are suddenly told by the cashier, or when you launch the game and the Alliance News Network chimes in, that there is DLC already available, but you have to pay $10 more for it.

That is the perspective a lot of people are ignoring. You can't just assume every person who enjoys this game is in the know.

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Aemony wrote...

Collectors Edition contains

• Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
• 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
• Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
• Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch. 
• Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
• A full collection of in-game content that can’t be found anywhere else!
o N7 Arsenal Pack – Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
o Access to an additional downloadable mission and character 
o Mechdog Companion – A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
o Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack – New appearances for your favorite squad members.
o N7 Hoodie – For Commander Shepard’s casual days on board the Normandy.
• Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
• Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks. 


ya the DLC wasent really a major selling point well atleast not for me heck when I pre orderd my CE a friend had told me it was going to be another Extra pointless character and even then I looked forward to it  the fact that it turned out to be a cool extra really shouldnt have set people off.

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By the way, those who asked for PMs or PM'd me, I have replied or sent those out.