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[KillTheLastRomantic]

DarthSliver wrote...



The way I look it is that the people complaining about this DLC because it all of a sudden is an important DLC and they skipped getting the CE because they assumed it wouldnt are in the wrong of complaining. It isnt Bioware's fault you assumed the DLC wouldnt be awesome, I am glad the DLC like this isnt sticking to only the CE people and that everyone will be able to get him. Heck I dont care if they made all the digital content available from the CE to everyone to purchase as day 1 DLC.

But also agree with people that say Bioware did go at this wrongly but I also blame Microsoft and this situation has become one of damn if your do and damn if you dont typed thing. I do believe this DLC was meant to be a pure surprise when the game came out and Microsoft let the cat out of the bag and now Bioware and ME3 devs are now doing damage control. Like one of my friends said when we were playing ME3 MP yesterday, I think Microsoft is screwing with Bioware because they gave the series, minus ME1, to PS3 fanbase of Bioware.

But it's NOT "DLC". The prothean squadmate was revealed months ago with the collectors edition. Any content available on release day should be part of the main game, or at least available for free for those who buy new (Zaeed etc) to understandably reduce used sales and increase profits . If Bioware then decide they want to create additional content for ME3 POST RELEASE, well, great! It's optional content for those who enjoyed ME3 and wish to expand the experience. They can charge whatever they like and people can choose whether they think that content is of good value or not.

[Lufven1]

obie191970 wrote...

Aemony wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

You mean other than the people who bought the CE and were promised an extra character and mission as advertised.

They shouldn't have advertised that in the first place. That's not the issue here at all. It's that fact that the DLC is there on release and not available to all the consumers (unless you open up your wallet).

What do you mean they shouldn't have advertised it?  That was the main selling point to begin with.  I will guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of CE buyers bought it specifically for that reason.

Why is that?  I mean, CEs have sold a ton since time immemorial without specific added in-game content. A lot of CEs ships quite a ton of units merely for the bonuses outside of the game, such as the soundtrack, an art book, or other random bonus item. Exclusive game content available in a limited special edition is an entirely new thing, and there's no reason to suggest that this matters more from a consumer perspective than all the other bonuses combined.

Heck, reading through the advertisement of the CE again and I notice that the existence of the character DLC takes a backseat position in favor of practically everything else. It's squeezed in besides other more elaborated small DLCs and in the form of an inner, less important, bullet point as opposed to being a major bullet point.

It's not an entirely new thing - Bioware has done it before with Warden's Keep for DAO.  All the Assassin's Creed CE's contain extra Lairs to explore.  I could go on and on with examples of how prevalent this is.

What makes it OK because other companies are doing this. We don't like what they did in AC either, come on. If I remembered correctly the developers of AC:Brotherhood later said that they delibratly CUT content from the main game to sell as DLC's later. This is what we are trying to fight people!

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

By the way, those who asked for PMs or PM'd me, I have replied or sent those out.

Nice of you to share that with people who want it.  I don't want the spoilers - The art book did a good enough job with that.

[ehoddes]

They also, hilariously, could have avoided the complaints if they'd just left the Prothean completely on the cutting room floor (some people seem to think the character is still in the main game, but I don't know that that's been suggested, if that's the case, then I mean leave whatever's in the DLC on the cutting room floor). Apparently, with Dragon Age: Origins, had they actually finished the Human Commoner and Human Barbarian origins, then made then a day-1 $10 DLC, customers would have been screwed, whereas they served their customers better by never making that content, and never offering to sell it to anyone.

[rainasa]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

But it's NOT "DLC". The prothean squadmate was revealed months ago with the collectors edition. Any content available on release day should be part of the main game, or at least available for free for those who buy new (Zaeed etc) to understandably reduce used sales and increase profits . If Bioware then decide they want to create additional content for ME3 POST RELEASE, well, great! It's optional content for those who enjoyed ME3 and wish to expand the experience. They can charge whatever they like and people can choose whether they think that content is of good value or not.

you do know almost all DLC is planned as the game is being made right? bioware did the same thing with kasumi and shadow broker as well, Bioware worked on from ashes AFTER the main game was finished and could not be altered in any way.

[obie191970]

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

It's not an entirely new thing - Bioware has done it before with Warden's Keep for DAO.  All the Assassin's Creed CE's contain extra Lairs to explore.  I could go on and on with examples of how prevalent this is.

What makes it OK because other companies are doing this. We don't like what they did in AC either, come on. If I remembered correctly the developers of AC:Brotherhood later said that they delibratly CUT content from the main game to sell as DLC's later. This is what we are trying to fight people!

Personally, I don't care that companies are doing this.  They are in business to make money and will explore every avenue available to them to do so.  If I deem what they are offering is worth my money, they I'll gladly give it to them.  If I don't, I won't.  Nobody is forcing you to buy DLC or even the game for that matter.  It's a hobby, a piece of entertainment.

Modifié par obie191970, 25 février 2012 - 09:17 .

[ArkkAngel007]

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

By the way, those who asked for PMs or PM'd me, I have replied or sent those out.

Nice of you to share that with people who want it.  I don't want the spoilers - The art book did a good enough job with that.

If people want to know and fact-check their arguments, then I will be happy to help.  And yeah, the artbook had more than enough to send heads spinning, despite the ME3 section being the shortest.

[Tar-Minastir]

rainasa wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

But it's NOT "DLC". The prothean squadmate was revealed months ago with the collectors edition. Any content available on release day should be part of the main game, or at least available for free for those who buy new (Zaeed etc) to understandably reduce used sales and increase profits . If Bioware then decide they want to create additional content for ME3 POST RELEASE, well, great! It's optional content for those who enjoyed ME3 and wish to expand the experience. They can charge whatever they like and people can choose whether they think that content is of good value or not.

you do know almost all DLC is planned as the game is being made right? bioware did the same thing with kasumi and shadow broker as well, Bioware worked on from ashes AFTER the main game was finished and could not be altered in any way.

They could not alter the game, but it would have been possible to make it free dlc on day 1.  They could easily have placate the CE with a promise that the next major dlc would be free for them.  Imagine getting content like the shadow broker for free instead of zaeed/katsumi.  Better deal right?  It also would have generated a great deal of positive responses from the player generating more sales and hype.  The way this whole situation has grown, it can only hurt overall sales.

[DJStarstryker]

^ I don't think that idea would've worked either. People without the CE would still be upset that they "had to" buy whatever it was.

[O3Hundred]

rainasa wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

But it's NOT "DLC". The prothean squadmate was revealed months ago with the collectors edition. Any content available on release day should be part of the main game, or at least available for free for those who buy new (Zaeed etc) to understandably reduce used sales and increase profits . If Bioware then decide they want to create additional content for ME3 POST RELEASE, well, great! It's optional content for those who enjoyed ME3 and wish to expand the experience. They can charge whatever they like and people can choose whether they think that content is of good value or not.

you do know almost all DLC is planned as the game is being made right? bioware did the same thing with kasumi and shadow broker as well, Bioware worked on from ashes AFTER the main game was finished and could not be altered in any way.

First I want to say that the consumer is always right. Now, here is what would've been good if BioWare did.
1)Release the DLC a few months after ME3 released or
2)Not charge money for the DLC(give it for free like Zaeed), and make something else for the ones who pre-ordered the CE. (for example make something similar to Normandy's Crash Site, so the players could explore previous planets and see what's changed i.e Feros, Noveria, Virmire ) Believe me, BioWare could've come up with anything they wanted.

[rainasa]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

They could not alter the game, but it would have been possible to make it free dlc on day 1.  They could easily have placate the CE with a promise that the next major dlc would be free for them.  Imagine getting content like the shadow broker for free instead of zaeed/katsumi.  Better deal right?  It also would have generated a great deal of positive responses from the player generating more sales and hype.  The way this whole situation has grown, it can only hurt overall sales.

that argument holds zero weight at all and you know it, lets face it. its what, 10 days before release? that isnt enough time for them to MAKE the codes, let alone ship them to the millions of copies of ME3 that are currently being shipped to stores. this is a pointless argument.

[RDSFirebane]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

They could not alter the game, but it would have been possible to make it free dlc on day 1.  They could easily have placate the CE with a promise that the next major dlc would be free for them.  Imagine getting content like the shadow broker for free instead of zaeed/katsumi.  Better deal right?  It also would have generated a great deal of positive responses from the player generating more sales and hype.  The way this whole situation has grown, it can only hurt overall sales.

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

[obie191970]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

They could not alter the game, but it would have been possible to make it free dlc on day 1.  They could easily have placate the CE with a promise that the next major dlc would be free for them.  Imagine getting content like the shadow broker for free instead of zaeed/katsumi.  Better deal right?  It also would have generated a great deal of positive responses from the player generating more sales and hype.  The way this whole situation has grown, it can only hurt overall sales.

I would have had no problem with that.  But they're kind of screwed now as they can do nothing.

[Wulfram]

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

[RDSFirebane]

O3Hundred wrote...

2)Not charge money for the DLC(give it for free like Zaeed), and make something else for the ones who pre-ordered the CE. (for example make something similar to Normandy's Crash Site, so the players could explore previous planets and see what's changed i.e Feros, Noveria, Virmire ) Believe me, BioWare could've come up with anything they wanted.

you get multiplayer for free they don't make you buy a Code to get past lvl 5. Granted its free for new and used but free is free. (its the Zaeed of Me 3)

[rainasa]

O3Hundred wrote...

First I want to say that the consumer is always right. Now, here is what would've been good if BioWare did.
1)Release the DLC a few months after ME3 released or
2)Not charge money for the DLC(give it for free like Zaeed), and make something else for the ones who pre-ordered the CE. (for example make something similar to Normandy's Crash Site, so the players could explore previous planets and see what's changed i.e Feros, Noveria, Virmire ) Believe me, BioWare could've come up with anything they wanted.

there is a reason things like consumer sovereignty is really only work for things like resturants. its because diffrent people are diffrent, for every 1 person who disagrees with somthing there is 1 person who agrees with it, and more imporantly there is 5 people who dont care. why should they go back and change somthing this close to  release, which by the way, would cause an almost unprecidented logistical nightmare, for the sake of a few people not willing to buy their product?

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 09:23 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The evidence is there for how early this has been planned, and there is essentially zero possibility that it started development after the core game was finished. Even if it was, the fact that it has been completed prior to launch means that it should have been on the disc to begin with. You do not cut content from a game in order to sell it to a limited number of individuals. You also do not backpedal when you're found out and decide "oh well we were going to release it to everybody anyway...for a price" and expect all consumers to be happy. Piecemeal production is NOT acceptable. This is essentially the same as what would have happened if Obsidian had managed to finish KOTOR 2 and then decided to charge for M4 and the HK-47 plotline anyway.

This. How long ago was the CE announced? Six months ago? Longer? I honestly don't how people can defend this, or why they would want to.

[ScorpioProX]

I am fine with no more dlc as we know it ever. Only expansion packs, something that
adds more than 2 hours of bleached crap.

Day one dlc is even worse.
What? They did not have the money to make the game just as we/they wanted it?
They ran out and added some dlc for something they thought was cool when they saw how great there game was doing?

No, they knew the game would be running great and had money to spare and decided they could make even more money if they cut the game up a bit and sell parts separately.

Modifié par ScorpioProX, 25 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[RDSFirebane]

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

Well if thats true then guess us CE people can get it on release and they could just let you guys buy it a few months down the road if thats all it takes...

[obie191970]

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

I'm having a hard time believing that people are upset with day 1 DLC like it's a radical idea or something.  It's pretty common practice in the industry.  You want to argue that it shouldn't be a Prothean, I'll somewhat agree.  But the day 1 DLC argument is weak at best.

[rainasa]

RDSFirebane wrote...


Well if thats true then guess us CE people can get it on release and they could just let you guys buy it a few months down the road if thats all it takes...

yep bioware is in a rock and a hardplace, they knew what ever they choose to do there was going to be tears, so they did damage control as best they could and only admited it when there was no time left to change anything at all.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 09:27 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The evidence is there for how early this has been planned, and there is essentially zero possibility that it started development after the core game was finished. Even if it was, the fact that it has been completed prior to launch means that it should have been on the disc to begin with. You do not cut content from a game in order to sell it to a limited number of individuals. You also do not backpedal when you're found out and decide "oh well we were going to release it to everybody anyway...for a price" and expect all consumers to be happy. Piecemeal production is NOT acceptable. This is essentially the same as what would have happened if Obsidian had managed to finish KOTOR 2 and then decided to charge for M4 and the HK-47 plotline anyway.

This. How long ago was the CE announced? Six months ago? Longer? I honestly don't how people can defend this, or why they would want to.

The content was planned, but not developed yet.  The VO files that are on the retail disc weren't even made then.

[Lufven1]

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

It's not an entirely new thing - Bioware has done it before with Warden's Keep for DAO.  All the Assassin's Creed CE's contain extra Lairs to explore.  I could go on and on with examples of how prevalent this is.

What makes it OK because other companies are doing this. We don't like what they did in AC either, come on. If I remembered correctly the developers of AC:Brotherhood later said that they delibratly CUT content from the main game to sell as DLC's later. This is what we are trying to fight people!

Personally, I don't care that companies are doing this.  They are in business to make money and will explore every avenue available to them to do so.  If I deem what they are offering is worth my money, they I'll gladly give it to them.  If I don't, I won't.  Nobody is forcing you to buy DLC or even the game for that matter.  It's a hobby, a piece of entertainment.

Nobody is forcing me to buy DLC, that is absolutely true. But the issue is not about buying the DLC, again, It's about WHEN it's released. And as I'm spending money on this hobby I feel that I should have some say about what I'm buying.

[Tar-Minastir]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

They could not alter the game, but it would have been possible to make it free dlc on day 1.  They could easily have placate the CE with a promise that the next major dlc would be free for them.  Imagine getting content like the shadow broker for free instead of zaeed/katsumi.  Better deal right?  It also would have generated a great deal of positive responses from the player generating more sales and hype.  The way this whole situation has grown, it can only hurt overall sales.

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

CE's paid extra; they get extra.  This DLC should not be counted as extra; everyone should be getting it.  The next dlc would be that extra they already paid for ergo everone else would need to pay.

[DJBare]

I finished off on page 360 yesterday, I attempted to continue reading from there when I returned, but I could not, because of the lazy gits who cannot be bothered to edit and select the relevant quotes instead building huge pyramids, if this thread had any meaning at all it's been diminished by those who cannot be bothered to tidy up their responses.