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[rainasa]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CE's paid extra; they get extra.  This DLC should not be counted as extra; everyone should be getting it.  The next dlc would be that extra they already paid for ergo everone else would need to pay.

this is an opinion, and a very badly thought out one at that, you, nor anyone else DERSEVE content that was desgined to be OPTIONAL and EXTRA because you feel like it.

the fact that he is a prothean is a letigimate complaint, but ****ing about day one DLC is not. bioware did not wrong you or their customers by not giving away the work they did AFTER the game was done and could no longer be altered in anyway for free.

DJBare wrote...

I finished off on page 360 yesterday, I
attempted to continue reading from there when I returned, but I could
not, because of the lazy gits who cannot be bothered to edit and select
the relevant quotes instead building huge pyramids, if this thread had
any meaning at all it's been diminished by those who cannot be bothered
to tidy up their responses.

you poor, poor, man. are you trying to give yourself brain damage?? at least the mods are getting paid for their sacrifice.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[Gocad]

*yawn* 385 pages about something that has happened before (DA2 - Exiled Prince anyone?) Also, it makes me feel slightly better about buying the N7 Edition.

[Tar-Minastir]

DJBare wrote...

I finished off on page 360 yesterday, I attempted to continue reading from there when I returned, but I could not, because of the lazy gits who cannot be bothered to edit and select the relevant quotes instead building huge pyramids, if this thread had any meaning at all it's been diminished by those who cannot be bothered to tidy up their responses.

Something I wrote earlier went back and forth between two people until....

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[Jakeratboy81]

Of course they're not going to back-door authorize the day one DLC content. They wanna see how the chips fall.
Most online geek outrages fail to affect sales. Remember the outrage over the incredibly stupid, shockingly awful dialogue replacement on the Star Wars Blu-rays? And what happened? Oh, they sold 500 million copies. Well... damn.
So they'll sit on their hands and wait to see how the final sales shake out. Most will probably bend and buy it day one anyway.
I know I'm waiting, for a long damn time, before I give them my money again.
Are you strong enough?

[Wulfram]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Well if thats true then guess us CE people can get it on release and they could just let you guys buy it a few months down the road if thats all it takes...

It's still day 1 DLC even if it's CE exclusive.  That would just make it even more ludicrously overpriced.

[rainasa]

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Well if thats true then guess us CE people can get it on release and they could just let you guys buy it a few months down the road if thats all it takes...

It's still day 1 DLC even if it's CE exclusive.  That would just make it even more ludicrously overpriced.

granted it includes not only javick, but a new weapon and addtional apperances for ALL squadmembers.
kasumi was, what 7$? and the apperance packs where about 3$? its not that bad of a deal, but if you dont think its worth it then you dont need to get it.

[Lufven1]

obie191970 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

I'm having a hard time believing that people are upset with day 1 DLC like it's a radical idea or something.  It's pretty common practice in the industry.  You want to argue that it shouldn't be a Prothean, I'll somewhat agree.  But the day 1 DLC argument is weak at best.

I disagree with you here. Ever since games started with this day-one DLC thingy people have been opposed to it. Usually the day-one DLC's are just cosmetic stuff that we are kinda "ok" with. Another way of explaining it is that the cosmetic stuff doesn't add the overall experience of the game, at least that's what the majority thinks and that is why it hasn't gotten that much attention. This, however, is not just cosmetic stuff and is therefor NOT ok.

[RDSFirebane]

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Well if thats true then guess us CE people can get it on release and they could just let you guys buy it a few months down the road if thats all it takes...

It's still day 1 DLC even if it's CE exclusive.  That would just make it even more ludicrously overpriced.

Looks like its now between a rock and an open space as not one could agree on the Day 1 dlc *hard place*

[DJBare]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Something I wrote earlier went back and forth between two people until....

It's a combination of laziness and a frantic need to respond as quickly as possible.

[rainasa]

Lufven1 wrote...

I disagree with you here. Ever since games started with this day-one DLC thingy people have been opposed to it. Usually the day-one DLC's are just cosmetic stuff that we are kinda "ok" with. Another way of explaining it is that the cosmetic stuff doesn't add the overall experience of the game, at least that's what the majority thinks and that is why it hasn't gotten that much attention. This, however, is not just cosmetic stuff and is therefor NOT ok.

your argument at its core comes down to, " even if it was done, they should have just sat on their asses and waited a month before releasing it". that is what is called a weak argument.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[obie191970]

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

I'm having a hard time believing that people are upset with day 1 DLC like it's a radical idea or something.  It's pretty common practice in the industry.  You want to argue that it shouldn't be a Prothean, I'll somewhat agree.  But the day 1 DLC argument is weak at best.

I disagree with you here. Ever since games started with this day-one DLC thingy people have been opposed to it. Usually the day-one DLC's are just cosmetic stuff that we are kinda "ok" with. Another way of explaining it is that the cosmetic stuff doesn't add the overall experience of the game, at least that's what the majority thinks and that is why it hasn't gotten that much attention. This, however, is not just cosmetic stuff and is therefor NOT ok.

Really?  Bioware has a history of doing this.  Warden's Keep and The Exiled Prince were both free to the CE and $7 day 1 DLC for everyone else.

[Evilelf007]

Complain all you want...this is a capitalist society, and this is good business for Bioware. Sorry you disagree, but Bioware created the story and can distribute how they see fit. If the consumer accepts it, they did no wrong.

Other than a vocal minority, the average consumer doesn't care. Bioware wins again!

[ArkkAngel007]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

It's just confusing to customers. Imagine if you were a fan of the series, but didn't spend time on BSN and game websites to follow it. You just wanted the game so you put in a pre-order. You didn't buy the CE because you don't want all the extra fluff hanging around your house, because you only care about the game.

Fast forward to launch day. You go to pick up the game, and then are suddenly told by the cashier, or when you launch the game and the Alliance News Network chimes in, that there is DLC already available, but you have to pay $10 more for it.  Sure, it doesn't have to be bought then and there, or even at all, but you can't expect Joe Blow to know that or understand that when they thought that they weren't missing out on any content, included or not, that day.

That is the perspective a lot of people are ignoring. You can't just assume every person who enjoys this game is in the know.

I wanted to repost this, as I think it puts things into perspective for those with the "Shoulda bought CE" or "Should be grateful" arguments.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Insaner Robot]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CE's paid extra; they get extra.  This DLC should not be counted as extra; everyone should be getting it.  The next dlc would be that extra they already paid for ergo everone else would need to pay.

That has got to be possibly the most ridiculous idea idea I've encountered today, and I just spent the day watching Blackadder.

e.g.
(Baldrick and Blackadder are in a cell and facing the guillotine in the morning, so they're  trying to come up with a plan to escape)


Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
Baldrick: They certainly are, sir!
Blackadder: Well, forgive me if I don't do a cartwheel of joy. Your record in this department is hardly 100%. So what is it?
Baldrick: We do nothing.
Blackadder: Yup. It's another world-beater!
Baldrick: No, wait. We do nothing... until our heads have actually been cut off.
Blackadder: And then we... spring into action?
Baldrick: Exactly! You know how when you cut a chicken's head off, it runs round and round the farmyard and then out the gate?
Blackadder: [haltingly] Yyyyyyyeah...?
Baldrick: Well, we wait until our heads have been cut off, then we run round and round, out the gate, and escape! What do you think?

All your solution would result in is this:

"CE's paid extra, they got extra. This DLC should not be counted as extra, everyone should be getting it. The weapons and appearance dlc was the extra they paid for, ergo everone should pay or nobody should pay."

[Tar-Minastir]

rainasa wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CE's paid extra; they get extra.  This DLC should not be counted as extra; everyone should be getting it.  The next dlc would be that extra they already paid for ergo everone else would need to pay.

this is an opinion, and a very badly thought out one at that, you, nor anyone else DERSEVE content that was desgined to be OPTIONAL and EXTRA because you feel like it.

the fact that he is a prothean is a letigimate complaint, but ****ing about day one DLC is not. bioware did not wrong you or their customers by not giving away the work they did AFTER the game was done and could no longer be altered in anyway for free..

The content was made prior to release and has been on the out there for months (i don't care about certification or any other pr excuses).  This smacks or piece meal development that was designed to milk the consumers.  Day 1 paid dlc is a bad thing and sets a bad precedent.  Hell, if bioware has simply not released it on day 1 and rather waited and lied to us, I think many ppl would be less offended by the day one dlc.

The prothean is the main problem, if it was a zaeed or katsumi ppl would be less botherd, but as it stands ppl will have to pay extra on day 1 to get the complete expirence.  Regardless of the truth that is how it will play out.  This was a stupid move by bioware/ea and can only hurt them in the end.

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

It's just confusing to customers. Imagine if you were a fan of the series, but didn't spend time on BSN and game websites to follow it. You just wanted the game so you put in a pre-order. You didn't buy the CE because you don't want all the extra fluff hanging around your house, because you only care about the game.

Fast forward to launch day. You go to pick up the game, and then are suddenly told by the cashier, or when you launch the game and the Alliance News Network chimes in, that there is DLC already available, but you have to pay $10 more for it.  Sure, it doesn't have to be bought then and there, or even at all, but you can't expect Joe Blow to know that or understand that when they thought that they weren't missing out on any content, included or not, that day.

That is the perspective a lot of people are ignoring. You can't just assume every person who enjoys this game is in the know.

I wanted to repost this, as I think it puts things into perspective for those with the "Shoulda bought CE" or "Should be grateful" arguments.

While true to a certain extent, this DLC was obviously made with the core fans in mind.  The casual fan isn't going to care that it's a Prothean.

[AlanC9]

Lufven1 wrote...

Just for giggles I'm going to make a list here of made up DLC's for ME3:

"All released on day-one"
10$ Reaper companion
10$ Equip the Normandy with nukes
10$ New character class: Scientist
10$ Alternate ending for ME3

Would you buy them all? The game would theoreticly cost 100$ now (give or take). Would it make you guys happy with more and more day-one DLC. You get your prothean with the CE but these four DLC's are not included.

You mean the game plus all DLC's there, right?

Wouldn't bother me. Wouldn't interest me too much unless the Scientist class was really fun to play, plus maybe the alternate ending. (I'd pay $5 for the cut KotOR ending where Carth redeems a DS female PC at the last minute).

[Rdubs]

BTCentral wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Nobody seemed to care back then.  That was the time for this discussion to take place.  Maybe then it could have been addressed.

It was, and Chris Preistly claimed it had been removed.  And people belived him.

BTCentral wrote...

While that's true, they still managed to cover that up pretty effectively.
(I'm not going to say they lied/denied it, because they didn't - they just chose their words very carefully).

A lot of people that were not following the forums closely would not have known about that.

He claimed the advertising contained old wording. He never claimed it had been removed.

Incorrect, we covered this 50-100 pages ago including the exact wording he used.  It has to do with where the pronoun "that" is assigned.  The Biodrones wish he said something like "the text was wrong" but that's not what he said, yet they claim it anyway.

[Evilelf007]

Ignorance is no excuse either. Consumers have to take it upon themselves to make informed purchases.

You don't go to a car dealership and just pick a color and drive off only to wonder about specs later...you look into the product before hand so you know what you want/and get.

I feel no sympathy for those who blindly purchase anything.

[Lufven1]

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

I'm having a hard time believing that people are upset with day 1 DLC like it's a radical idea or something.  It's pretty common practice in the industry.  You want to argue that it shouldn't be a Prothean, I'll somewhat agree.  But the day 1 DLC argument is weak at best.

I disagree with you here. Ever since games started with this day-one DLC thingy people have been opposed to it. Usually the day-one DLC's are just cosmetic stuff that we are kinda "ok" with. Another way of explaining it is that the cosmetic stuff doesn't add the overall experience of the game, at least that's what the majority thinks and that is why it hasn't gotten that much attention. This, however, is not just cosmetic stuff and is therefor NOT ok.

Really?  Bioware has a history of doing this.  Warden's Keep and The Exiled Prince were both free to the CE and $7 day 1 DLC for everyone else.

And I ask again. Why does it make it OK because others or Bioware themselfs are doing it? I'd say it's still wrong.

*silly example* So if a lot of people are stealing TV's does it make it right?

And don't at me with the "what Bioware is doing is not illegal". That's not the point of the example.

[rainasa]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

The content was made prior to release and has been on the out there for months (i don't care about certification or any other pr excuses).  This smacks or piece meal development that was designed to milk the consumers.  Day 1 paid dlc is a bad thing and sets a bad precedent.  Hell, if bioware has simply not released it on day 1 and rather waited and lied to us, I think many ppl would be less offended by the day one dlc.

The prothean is the main problem, if it was a zaeed or katsumi ppl would be less botherd, but as it stands ppl will have to pay extra on day 1 to get the complete expirence.  Regardless of the truth that is how it will play out.  This was a stupid move by bioware/ea and can only hurt them in the end.

I........what? please go back and edit this for clarification, between the very badly worded stentences, your points are just thrown in there like someone voimited it up and change from one viewpoint to the complete opposite of it .

[Tar-Minastir]

Insaner Robot wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CE's paid extra; they get extra.  This DLC should not be counted as extra; everyone should be getting it.  The next dlc would be that extra they already paid for ergo everone else would need to pay.

That has got to be possibly the most ridiculous idea idea I've encountered today, and I just spent the day watching Blackadder.

e.g.
(Baldrick and Blackadder are in a cell and facing the guillotine in the morning, so they're  trying to come up with a plan to escape)


Blackadder: Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
Baldrick: They certainly are, sir!
Blackadder: Well, forgive me if I don't do a cartwheel of joy. Your record in this department is hardly 100%. So what is it?
Baldrick: We do nothing.
Blackadder: Yup. It's another world-beater!
Baldrick: No, wait. We do nothing... until our heads have actually been cut off.
Blackadder: And then we... spring into action?
Baldrick: Exactly! You know how when you cut a chicken's head off, it runs round and round the farmyard and then out the gate?
Blackadder: [haltingly] Yyyyyyyeah...?
Baldrick: Well, we wait until our heads have been cut off, then we run round and round, out the gate, and escape! What do you think?

All your solution would result in is this:

"CE's paid extra, they got extra. This DLC should not be counted as extra, everyone should be getting it. The weapons and appearance dlc was the extra they paid for, ergo everone should pay or nobody should pay."

The fact that you watch the black adder gives you some credit, but you are far from making anysense.

Since this particular dlc has been viewed as being fairly important  and was completed before release it should be available with the new sale of the game. CEer's who have already paid extra should get extra.  In this case they are actually paying 20$ for material they should be getting standard as well.  Had I ordered a CE edition I'd still be upset b/c they are giving me something that should come standard and saying it's part of my compensation for buying the CE.

[Morroian]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Complain all you want...this is a capitalist society, and this is good business for Bioware. Sorry you disagree, but Bioware created the story and can distribute how they see fit. If the consumer accepts it, they did no wrong.

In the short term it may be good business but in the long term it isn't because Bioware is generating a lot of bad will amongst those who have been its fans.

[ArkkAngel007]

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

It's just confusing to customers. Imagine if you were a fan of the series, but didn't spend time on BSN and game websites to follow it. You just wanted the game so you put in a pre-order. You didn't buy the CE because you don't want all the extra fluff hanging around your house, because you only care about the game.

Fast forward to launch day. You go to pick up the game, and then are suddenly told by the cashier, or when you launch the game and the Alliance News Network chimes in, that there is DLC already available, but you have to pay $10 more for it.  Sure, it doesn't have to be bought then and there, or even at all, but you can't expect Joe Blow to know that or understand that when they thought that they weren't missing out on any content, included or not, that day.

That is the perspective a lot of people are ignoring. You can't just assume every person who enjoys this game is in the know.

I wanted to repost this, as I think it puts things into perspective for those with the "Shoulda bought CE" or "Should be grateful" arguments.

While true to a certain extent, this DLC was obviously made with the core fans in mind.  The casual fan isn't going to care that it's a Prothean.

I see the word casual thrown about a lot.  Just because people aren't "hard-core" doesn't mean they don't undertand the significance or don't care.  I have friends who are casual Mass Effect fans.  They don't go on BSN or follow up on the Wikis and news sites.  But they love the games and the story, and frequently talk about it whenever the game is brought up.

The problem is, no matter how it's justified, people are going to feel slighted by this.  They don't care about the facts, or what happened behind the scenes.  They just care that this is the product of all of that, and that is the part they don't agree with.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[obie191970]

Lufven1 wrote...

And I ask again. Why does it make it OK because others or Bioware themselfs are doing it? I'd say it's still wrong.

*silly example* So if a lot of people are stealing TV's does it make it right?

And don't at me with the "what Bioware is doing is not illegal". That's not the point of the example.

We're just going to have to agrre to disagree.  Because like i said earlier, I have no problem with day 1 DLC.