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[RDSFirebane]

Yuoaman wrote...

The CE comes with a ridiculous amount of stuff, having to share one of the items with people who didn't get it won't devalue the other stuff. And I'm also a student, I shelled out money for the CE, but I still believe that all players should experience the Prothean squadmate and all of the new lore.

Agreed... They should have to pay for it like the rest of us I dont understand how this is still an argument  CE people paid for that added bonus so should the SE people. so if they dont experence it then its on them no one is forceing them to buy it day one heck they can even wait and see if it goes on sale at some point.

[OdanUrr]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Jesus Christ at this thread being this long. Seriously start a petition as that would be more effective showing the number of people in support of a policy.

I think there is one already, at least, I know there's someone with a link to a petition on his/her sig.

[rainasa]

Rdubs wrote...

Gocad wrote...

*yawn* 385 pages about something that has happened before (DA2 - Exiled Prince anyone?) Also, it makes me feel slightly better about buying the N7 Edition.

Incorrect.  Exiled Prince was not important to Dragon Age lore.

it provides backstory and character development even though it is not substantial to the plot in any way, shape, or form. you know, EXACTLY like what Javick and from ashes is going to do.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 10:17 .

[Lufven1]

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

What stops the people who think the DLC should be with the game and free any way form complaining the CE fans get the next DLC free? are you saying we wouldnt be haveing this issue if it was simply a a Shadow broker type deal that added a whole new area with a major impact and lore information like SB?

The issue is Day One DLC, mostly.  No one's got any problems with stuff being made after the games released.

I'm having a hard time believing that people are upset with day 1 DLC like it's a radical idea or something.  It's pretty common practice in the industry.  You want to argue that it shouldn't be a Prothean, I'll somewhat agree.  But the day 1 DLC argument is weak at best.

I disagree with you here. Ever since games started with this day-one DLC thingy people have been opposed to it. Usually the day-one DLC's are just cosmetic stuff that we are kinda "ok" with. Another way of explaining it is that the cosmetic stuff doesn't add the overall experience of the game, at least that's what the majority thinks and that is why it hasn't gotten that much attention. This, however, is not just cosmetic stuff and is therefor NOT ok.

Really?  Bioware has a history of doing this.  Warden's Keep and The Exiled Prince were both free to the CE and $7 day 1 DLC for everyone else.

And I ask again. Why does it make it OK because others or Bioware themselfs are doing it? I'd say it's still wrong.

*silly example* So if a lot of people are stealing TV's does it make it right?

And don't at me with the "what Bioware is doing is not illegal". That's not the point of the example.

Needed to update this a little. The Exiled Prince DLC was available for Signature edition of DA2 which could be obtained by pre-ordering the game. This is on the border of acceptable in my opinion as they should just have given it to all buyers of DA2. What is the difference in pre-ordering the game and buying it really?

[IlluminaZer0]

Lufven1 wrote...
Needed to update this a little. The Exiled Prince DLC was available for Signature edition of DA2 which could be obtained by pre-ordering the game. This is on the border of acceptable in my opinion as they should just have given it to all buyers of DA2. What is the difference in pre-ordering the game and buying it really?

Marketting. Create an artificially low supply and demand will skyrocket.

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 25 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[Tar-Minastir]

rainasa wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CEer's who have already paid extra should get extra.  In this case they are actually paying 20$ for material they should be getting standard as well.  Had I ordered a CE edition I'd still be upset b/c they are giving me something that should come standard and saying it's part of my compensation for buying the CE.

Uh what?   If you had ordered a CE edition you did so knowingly purchase it because of the extras,   you had the choice hypothetically to purchase the SE edition that did not have the extras.    Your logic makes no sense.

I love how you argue that you should be getting a dimished product.  In my opinion, this dlc should come standard meaning you the CE'er would get it and more.  I can understand how you would argue to get a lesser product for you extra investment -- that makes complete sense.

the SE is not a " dimished" product at all, from ashes is EXTRA content that is OPTIONAL, it provides no lore that cannot be found elsewhere in the game, nor does it have a lasting effect on the story. you are not entitled to it because you want it.
complaining about the fact that he is a prothean is a letgimate complaint, ****ing about why he isnt free is just a waste of space that could be used for someone with somthing actually intellegent to say.

To anyone who has any investment in the story of this game the day dlc is NOT optional or extra.  It is essential and that is the main problem.  If ppl want the complete expirience i.e. getting the full lore info, they will have to pony up. Thait is a bad business practice and one I cannot condone.

Until someone plays the game and puts the dlc up on youtube we won't know were it fits.  B/c of this people will either feel pressured to purchase the dlc or they will fall into the categories of renting, pirating, buying used, etc.

Sadly, this entire dlc debacle is a stain on ME3 and its release.

[obie191970]

Lufven1 wrote...
Needed to update this a little. The Exiled Prince DLC was available for Signature edition of DA2 which could be obtained by pre-ordering the game. This is on the border of acceptable in my opinion as they should just have given it to all buyers of DA2. What is the difference in pre-ordering the game and buying it really?

A lot of people either don't preorder or wait to the last minute.  That cut off date was like 2 months before the release.  Just go look at the thread here with people asking for them to release more CE's for the 360.

[Rdubs]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Incorrect, we covered this 50-100 pages ago including the exact wording he used.  It has to do with where the pronoun "that" is assigned.  The Biodrones wish he said something like "the text was wrong" but that's not what he said, yet they claim it anyway.

o look we just feel back into name calling thats nice and from what I've seen he never directly comments on anything and uses loose sentences can you re link what he said and what your point is? At this point he hasent lied to anyone he answered but being indirect its a sound way of saying something and nothing at the same time.

Sorry am having a difficult time figuring out how best to describe someone where, once presented with direct facts that invalidates their position, continues to espouse said position.  I had never heard of that term "Biodrone" before yesterday, and when I did I googled it, and the description seemed fairly accurate.

http://www.urbandict...p?term=Biodrone

The rest of your paragraph I did not understand due to poor wording, but if you want to research the exact quote and discussion it should not be too hard to find.  It's irrelevant anyway because the issue is content important to a fan of the series is being sold as extra.

[ArkkAngel007]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

CEer's who have already paid extra should get extra.  In this case they are actually paying 20$ for material they should be getting standard as well.  Had I ordered a CE edition I'd still be upset b/c they are giving me something that should come standard and saying it's part of my compensation for buying the CE.

Uh what?   If you had ordered a CE edition you did so knowingly purchase it because of the extras,   you had the choice hypothetically to purchase the SE edition that did not have the extras.    Your logic makes no sense.

I love how you argue that you should be getting a dimished product.  In my opinion, this dlc should come standard meaning you the CE'er would get it and more.  I can understand how you would argue to get a lesser product for you extra investment -- that makes complete sense.

the SE is not a " dimished" product at all, from ashes is EXTRA content that is OPTIONAL, it provides no lore that cannot be found elsewhere in the game, nor does it have a lasting effect on the story. you are not entitled to it because you want it.
complaining about the fact that he is a prothean is a letgimate complaint, ****ing about why he isnt free is just a waste of space that could be used for someone with somthing actually intellegent to say.

To anyone who has any investment in the story of this game the day dlc is NOT optional or extra.  It is essential and that is the main problem.  If ppl want the complete expirience i.e. getting the full lore info, they will have to pony up. Thait is a bad business practice and one I cannot condone.

Until someone plays the game and puts the dlc up on youtube we won't know were it fits.  B/c of this people will either feel pressured to purchase the dlc or they will fall into the categories of renting, pirating, buying used, etc.

Sadly, this entire dlc debacle is a stain on ME3 and its release.

You've been told and demonstrated to that you get all the lore info in the actual game.  The DLC, specifically Javrik, expresses it in just a different way.

You find it essential because you feel it is.  Not because it actually is.  That is why I'm starkly against that argument, because it's based on personal feelings and assumptions, not facts.

[Exia001]

I dont really care about morals and ethics and business

...I just like things

[Lufven1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?

I'm interfering here. Yes, delaying the DLC would make perfect sense actually. Just don't tell the consumers that the DLC was finished on day-one and this debate wouldn't have happened. I don't think ANYONE here would be upset if this DLC was released 1-2 months after the release-day.

Thanks.

This strikes me as being so irrational that I'm not sure how to respond to it. 

orly? You don't understand that people are upset about day-one DLC's but are totally ok with DLC's being released months after?

I understand that they feel that way. I'm saying that it's irrational, not that it isn't real.

As it stands now, you can play From Ashes on day 1, or day 14, or day 60, or later, or never..

If Bioware delays From Ashes for two months you can play From Ashes on day 60, or later, or never. The only change is that you've now lost the option to play it before day 60.

Edit: Whoops. That's not the only effect. If Bio did things the way you want then everyone else loses the option to play From Ashes earlier too.

I get that having Bio take away your option to play From Ashes on day 1 would have made you happier. I just think it's really stupid to be happier because you've lost options.

An option isn't lost if there's no option. If there were no available day-one DLC's no one would even know that there is a character ready to be released as a DLC later on. That is how DLC's used to work and is working in most of the cases.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Tar-Minastir wrote...


To anyone who has any investment in the story of this game the day dlc is NOT optional or extra.  It is essential and that is the main problem.  If ppl want the complete expirience i.e. getting the full lore info, they will have to pony up. Thait is a bad business practice and one I cannot condone.

So on the grounds of emotional investment in the story,  it should be free?   False.

[AlanC9]

Tar-Minastir wrote...
To anyone who has any investment in the story of this game the day dlc is NOT optional or extra.  It is essential and that is the main problem.

That's simply false anyway. I'm plenty invested in ME and I have no interest in buying the DLC.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[Tar-Minastir]

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Gocad wrote...

*yawn* 385 pages about something that has happened before (DA2 - Exiled Prince anyone?) Also, it makes me feel slightly better about buying the N7 Edition.

Incorrect.  Exiled Prince was not important to Dragon Age lore.

it provides backstory and character development even though it is not substantial to the plot in any way, shape, or form. you know, EXACTLY like what Javick and from ashes is going to do.

Exiled Prince was, like zaeed/katsumi, a personal story genreally unrelated to the greater lore of the DA universe.  A portheanin in the ME universe cannot be that w/o some seriously silly writing.  By all means add a zaeed/katsumi and make it paid dlc, but don't coerce ppl into buying day 1 dlc becouase it A. completes the lore, or B is framed as being lore important but actually isn't.  Either senerio is bad.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 10:30 .

[Rdubs]

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

He claimed the advertising contained old wording. He never claimed it had been removed.

Incorrect, we covered this 50-100 pages ago including the exact wording he used.  It has to do with where the pronoun "that" is assigned.  The Biodrones wish he said something like "the text was wrong" but that's not what he said, yet they claim it anyway.

http://social.biowar...51111/1#7551129

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

Oh wait... no I don't.

Incorrect, but thanks for playing. I've also read though every single page of this thread, so I know what has/has not been covered here, thanks.

Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. End of sentance. New sentance. It is being removed [the text, not the content].

If you took that as meaning the content was being removed, that's your own misinterpretation, not anyone else's fault.

Also, might be worth noting that I never stated my opinion on BioWare's decision to include it with the CE and not the SE, so I can hardly be considered a "Biodrone".

This whole situation was taken out of their hands by Microsoft's muckup, all BioWare could do from that point onwards was damage control - that's not some "Biodrone" talking, that's fact.

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

[AlanC9]

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So you'd prefer the DLC to come later, all other things being equal? You'd really rather that they had done what I suggested -- delay From Ashes and put the people who were working on From Ashes onto something else?

I'm interfering here. Yes, delaying the DLC would make perfect sense actually. Just don't tell the consumers that the DLC was finished on day-one and this debate wouldn't have happened. I don't think ANYONE here would be upset if this DLC was released 1-2 months after the release-day.

Thanks.

This strikes me as being so irrational that I'm not sure how to respond to it. 

orly? You don't understand that people are upset about day-one DLC's but are totally ok with DLC's being released months after?

I understand that they feel that way. I'm saying that it's irrational, not that it isn't real.

As it stands now, you can play From Ashes on day 1, or day 14, or day 60, or later, or never..

If Bioware delays From Ashes for two months you can play From Ashes on day 60, or later, or never. The only change is that you've now lost the option to play it before day 60.

Edit: Whoops. That's not the only effect. If Bio did things the way you want then everyone else loses the option to play From Ashes earlier too.

I get that having Bio take away your option to play From Ashes on day 1 would have made you happier. I just think it's really stupid to be happier because you've lost options.

An option isn't lost if there's no option. If there were no available day-one DLC's no one would even know that there is a character ready to be released as a DLC later on. That is how DLC's used to work and is working in most of the cases.

So  ignorance makes you happy? The problem is that you know you could have this DLC , and that just really bothers you for some strange reason?

Keep it up. This is fascinating.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 10:24 .

[OdanUrr]

Exia001 wrote...

I dont really care about morals and ethics and business

...I just like things

Not just things... flashy things!

[BTCentral]

Rdubs wrote...

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

The prothean squadmate was not removed, the text was, ergo I am correct, you are incorrect. Try again.

[RDSFirebane]

Rdubs wrote...

The rest of your paragraph I did not understand due to poor wording, but if you want to research the exact quote and discussion it should not be too hard to find.  It's irrelevant anyway because the issue is content important to a fan of the series is being sold as extra.

Dont worry about it some one already proved you wrong.

^ what she said prove *That* ment the pro. and not the text. you cant.

Modifié par RDSFirebane, 25 février 2012 - 10:25 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

He claimed the advertising contained old wording. He never claimed it had been removed.

Incorrect, we covered this 50-100 pages ago including the exact wording he used.  It has to do with where the pronoun "that" is assigned.  The Biodrones wish he said something like "the text was wrong" but that's not what he said, yet they claim it anyway.

http://social.biowar...51111/1#7551129

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

Oh wait... no I don't.

Incorrect, but thanks for playing. I've also read though every single page of this thread, so I know what has/has not been covered here, thanks.

Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. End of sentance. New sentance. It is being removed [the text, not the content].

If you took that as meaning the content was being removed, that's your own misinterpretation, not anyone else's fault.

Also, might be worth noting that I never stated my opinion on BioWare's decision to include it with the CE and not the SE, so I can hardly be considered a "Biodrone".

This whole situation was taken out of their hands by Microsoft's muckup, all BioWare could do from that point onwards was damage control - that's not some "Biodrone" talking, that's fact.

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

Removing the word Prothean from the description.  He wasn't in the game during primary development to even be removed.  The VO work wasn't even in yet.

[Lufven1]

obie191970 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...
Needed to update this a little. The Exiled Prince DLC was available for Signature edition of DA2 which could be obtained by pre-ordering the game. This is on the border of acceptable in my opinion as they should just have given it to all buyers of DA2. What is the difference in pre-ordering the game and buying it really?

A lot of people either don't preorder or wait to the last minute.  That cut off date was like 2 months before the release.  Just go look at the thread here with people asking for them to release more CE's for the 360.

I totally get that. And I pre-ordered it for that sole reason. I mean, I was going to buy it anyway and now that they added stuff if you pre-order I pretty much had to do it. I still didn't like what they were doing there though. The Signature Edition was priced the same as the Standard one, at least where I live.

[Exia001]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Gocad wrote...

*yawn* 385 pages about something that has happened before (DA2 - Exiled Prince anyone?) Also, it makes me feel slightly better about buying the N7 Edition.

Incorrect.  Exiled Prince was not important to Dragon Age lore.

it provides backstory and character development even though it is not substantial to the plot in any way, shape, or form. you know, EXACTLY like what Javick and from ashes is going to do.

The importance of Javik has on the game has placed their by assumption, Just because hes a protheans that by no means comfirms he will us anything game breaking, thats been bandwagoned

Exiled Prince was, like zaeed/katsumi a personal story genreally unrelated to the greater lore of the DA universe.  A portheanin the ME universe cannot be that w/o some seriously silly writing.  By all means add a zaeed/katsumi and make it paid dlc, but don't coerce ppl into buying day 1 dlc becouase it A. completes the lore, or B is framed as being lore important but actually isn't.  Either senerio is bad.

The importance placed on Javik has been placed by assumption, im willing to bet he'll be just another character given that he said his homeland was totaled before he was born

Modifié par Exia001, 25 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[Insaner Robot]

Yuoaman wrote...
The CE comes with a ridiculous amount of stuff, having to share one of the items with people who didn't get it won't devalue the other stuff. And I'm also a student, I shelled out money for the CE, but I still believe that all players should experience the Prothean squadmate and all of the new lore.

The fact that it comes with other CE bonus content is irrelevant.
Anyone who wants to experience the Prothean can, and all it costs is $10 worth of bioware points.

Here in the UK the CE costs £59.99 (£64.94 with express delivery) and the SE £32.99, $10 worth of points still makes it considerably cheaper than the CE.
I would probably be justifiably outraged if suddenly it was announced that anyone who bought the SE gets this DLC for free and the CE loses that bonus. Unless the CE was lowered in price.

I'm a student also and I do not beleve this DLC should be given free to all who purchase the SE as the cost of the CE is almost double.

[OdanUrr]

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

The prothean squadmate was not removed, the text was, ergo I am correct, you are incorrect. Try again.

Are we still talking about Chris' post about why the "Prothean squadmate/adventure" was removed? I thought we'd covered this like a hundred pages ago.<_<

[Tar-Minastir]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...


To anyone who has any investment in the story of this game the day dlc is NOT optional or extra.  It is essential and that is the main problem.  If ppl want the complete expirience i.e. getting the full lore info, they will have to pony up. Thait is a bad business practice and one I cannot condone.

So on the grounds of emotional investment in the story,  it should be free?   False.

Yes, because it is important content comming out on day 1.  If they had developed new content post release, like the shadow broker, that had meaningful content ppl would buy it, but throwing it out ther day 1 is just shows disdain for ppl invested in the story.

The prothean aspects is bad regardless of whether it is meaningful content simply b/c ppl automaticly view it as meaningful by its very nature.

AlanC9 wrote...

That's simply false anyway. I'm plenty invested in ME and I have no interest in buying the DLC.

 

You may feel that way, but I believe that most feel that the story is damn important and selling off a portion of that as a cash-grab is a business practice most pp would disaprove of.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 10:29 .