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[Evilelf007]

The whining by the entitled is amusing! lol

[Squallypo]

slimgrin wrote...

rainasa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Do we get any free characters or DLC for buying the game new?

yes like ME2 proived the cerberus network for free, ME3 proives the alliance network, and acsess to multiplayer.

Access to mutliplayer should be free anyway, shouldn't it? So this time around we have to pay for what we got fr free before. Sorry if I'm not impressed EA.

i dont has xbox live gold membership.. so multiplayer is useless for me.

[BaronIveagh]

Wow, I leave and things were almost normal, I get back and there's screams and gunshots.

[RDSFirebane]

OdanUrr wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

so any news here ? ivent been on around obviously not gonna be a camper on this topic.

Aside from solving the Unified Theory about 50 pages back, there's nothing to report.

What?! Electromagnetic, weak, and strong interactions?

yep only thing we've got done on here

[CommanderCoffee]

Squallypo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

unified theory ? 

I guess you had to be there

awww Sir, tell me about it 

We discovered a real Mass Effect. Has to destroy all of Einstein's work, most of Feynman's work, and a bit of Hawking's work to do it.

[Rdubs]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

A Prothean doesn't have to be important to the plot because he is just a Prothean.  What is important to the plot should just be what is important.  Don't like it?  Go write fan fiction like people did when the Star Wars prequels came out.

The issue isn't plot.  Or information.  It's about having an awesome experience with the character and the story mission, where this character is from the most important race (or one of them) referenced in the game.

It's like you're not even bothering to read anyone's reply or commentary and consider their logic, instead you just repeat your talking points.

[BaronIveagh]

And if Commander Coffee can tell me what I was referring to, he gets a cookie.

[AlanC9]

slimgrin wrote...

rainasa wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Do we get any free characters or DLC for buying the game new?

yes like ME2 proived the cerberus network for free, ME3 proives the alliance network, and acsess to multiplayer.

Access to mutliplayer should be free anyway, shouldn't it? So this time around we have to pay for what we got for free before. Sorry if I'm not impressed EA.

You only have to pay if you're buying used.

I'm considering doing buying used, actually, since I've got no interest in MP.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 10:54 .

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

And if Commander Coffee can tell me what I was referring to, he gets a cookie.

Ah, yes. "Reapers". Ancient burial sites that huskify unwitting archaeologists.

We have dismissed such claims.

[Rip504]

Wait off topic question.

If you do not buy the game new,you have to pay for what Bioware is calling MP?
There is no satisfaction of crushing another user's skull under my foot. Really?

So (like most of us) those who buy it new get free access?

CE owner since June 9th 2011...

[AlanC9]

Rdubs wrote...

The issue isn't plot.  Or information.  It's about having an awesome experience with the character and the story mission, where this character is from the most important race (or one of them) referenced in the game.

People are going to be so disappointed when this DLC actually ships.

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

And if Commander Coffee can tell me what I was referring to, he gets a cookie.

Ah, yes. "Reapers". Ancient burial sites that huskify unwitting archaeologists.

We have dismissed such claims.

ROFL but wrong.

'Music and laughter have replaced screams and gunshots!  Even People like you and I can find work! Rejoice!'

[OdanUrr]

RDSFirebane wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

so any news here ? ivent been on around obviously not gonna be a camper on this topic.

Aside from solving the Unified Theory about 50 pages back, there's nothing to report.

What?! Electromagnetic, weak, and strong interactions?

yep only thing we've got done on here

What about the question? THE question? Of life, the universe, and everything?

[rainasa]

Rdubs wrote...

I'm glad myself and all the other people upset have agreed that ArkkAngel should be the one who is judge and jury of what we feel is "essential"!

It's pretty clear here what one of the issues is.  You've got some people, probably PS3 players, who don't think having the option of having a Prothean squaddie, already designed and ready to go, is important to achieving maximum enjoyment of ME3.  Then you've got others who do believe having a squad member from the most enigmatic race in the game, and the mission with him, is important to them fully experiencing the game.  For anyone to claim they are a huge fan of the mass effect lore yet missing out on important storytime with a Prothean, is laughable.

ArkkAngel only uses facts to back up his arguments, while you constantly use strawmans and the same points that have been proven to be misinformed to downright malicous time and time again. their comes a point when fanaticism causes only more harm to what people believe in, as the developers are more likely to simply disregard their opinion as trolling and you are far past that point.

[obie191970]

Rip504 wrote...

Wait off topic question.

If you do not buy the game new,you have to pay for what Bioware is calling MP?
There is no satisfaction of crushing another user's skull under my foot. Really?

So (like most of us) those who buy it new get free access?

CE owner since June 9th 2011...

Yes, that's the part of the package that is Project $10.

[BaronIveagh]

AlanC9 wrote...
People are going to be so disappointed when this DLC actually ships.

Yeah, and then they'll be mad and accuse Bioware of crap writing and ripping them off.  I've seen it before.

[Tar-Minastir]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

The ppl attacking have something to gain whether it be in a change in the release content of ME3 or in terms of how dlc is handled in the future.

Those defending gain nothing and are fanatically defending something which, if truely justifiable, will not need their righteous support.  Bioware/EA are big companies that are very finacially secure.  They do not need your charity purchase or vocal support.  Simply buying their product will be enough.  They are the big boys of the industry.

No ones stated that there doing the defending for charities sake,  but at the same time you cant expect people to sit idly by while you smear a good companies name with falsities and demanding entitlement benefits for "Emotional" investment.

No one is smearing a company.  Bioware makes great games.  I think many of use would admit that, but that does not mean we need to swallow crappy business practices b/c they have been good to us in the past.  Actually, it usually works the other way around.  Loyal customers are given benefits for their patronage.  The consumer does not make concessions if they want the provider to maintain a high standard of servivce.  

Thus, we come to support them w/ our wallet when we feel it is justified, but let them know where the line in the sand is. I had a preorder, but canced it.  For me, this dlc is nonesense and not acceptable.  I will wait and see what happens and what the real content of the dlc is before purchasing.  This is my choice and I feel the only correct one in order to be an informed consumer.

[DJBare]

Squallypo wrote...

awww Sir, tell me about it 

It's a joke, playing on a very old debate in the... awww heck, it's just a joke, like I said, I guess you had to be there.

Modifié par DJBare, 25 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[Squallypo]

DJBare wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

awww Sir, tell me about it 

It's a joke, playing on a very old debate in the... awww heck, it's just a joke, like I said, I guess you had to be there.

i felt played 

[RDSFirebane]

Rdubs wrote...

I'm glad myself and all the other people upset have agreed that ArkkAngel should be the one who is judge and jury of what we feel is "essential"!

It's pretty clear here what one of the issues is.  A)You've got some people, probably PS3 players, who don't think having the option of having a Prothean squaddie, already designed and ready to go, is important to achieving maximum enjoyment of ME3.  Then you've got others who do believe having a squad member from the most enigmatic race in the game, and the mission with him, is important to them fully experiencing the game. C) For anyone to claim they are a huge fan of the mass effect lore yet missing out on important storytime with a Prothean, is laughable.

A)I have a 360 and I find that statment to be way out of line. Stop name calling and attacking people we do try to keep things civil in this thread so the mods dont have to come in.

Nope they said it isnt and unless you got one of the space copy's of the game you don't know otherwise.

C) Agreed and even if I had got the SE I would have bought the DLC on day one.

[Lufven1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I agree the debate wouldn't be happening. But that's because people who think like you are being irrational. If getting From Ashes in a month rather than on day 1 makes you happy, you can get it in a month. Or will you only be happier if no one else can get it before you want it?

As for the next DLC, we'd all be better off if it was available on day 1 too, just as we'd all be better off if ME3 was on sale today rather than some days from now. All other things being equal, having something earlier is better than having it later.

The thing is that most people don't view this day-one DLC as an addon to the game but as a cut-off of the main game. And who could blame them? For all we know this character could have been completed months ago (yes, I know what Bioware said about that). Like me, many feel that content that is being available at launch should be included in the game and not be treated as an addon.

Of course he could have been completed months ago. Bio can allocate resources any way they like.

I just don't understand how you can say that you'd be happier if Bio finished From Ashes and then deliberately held it back rather than release it on day 1. You're worse off; you're getting the content later.

Is your fantasy that buying a game entitles you to all the content the company has ready on day 1 really that important to you? So important that you'd rather that the company lie to you about what's ready and what isn't?

I'm pretty sure Bioware is not lying(a lot). They are just withelding information. I'm not saying I'm entitled to anything I just believe that any content planned for the release is going to be there. Prothy was planned to be ready on launch and he was but not avaiable to everybody (and don't say he's avaiable for 10$). Content that is planned to be released later, expansions and DLC's, is fine to charge extra for. But then again, we will never know if the next DLC that is released for ME3 is already done and is just sitting there waiting for someone to push the "release" button.  

[Squallypo]

i do need gold memb on xbox 360 to play mp stuff right? (duh obviously)

[RDSFirebane]

OdanUrr wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

so any news here ? ivent been on around obviously not gonna be a camper on this topic.

Aside from solving the Unified Theory about 50 pages back, there's nothing to report.

What?! Electromagnetic, weak, and strong interactions?

yep only thing we've got done on here

What about the question? THE question? Of life, the universe, and everything?

Different thread cant recall the name of it lol

[Rdubs]

RDSFirebane wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

LOL.  That is how it turned out, yes.  So how could it be???  Chris said the Prothean squad mate was removed yet it turns out there actually is one?  HOW COULD THAT BE????  Two options, I am sure you will choose whichever one makes you feel less foolish for having put so much investment in defending all this.

1) It was originally scheduled, then they decided to cut it, then "no wait let's slam to get it back in!!!!!  Whew glad we made it!!!"
2) Chris was doing his job as PR guy and leak damage control guy which occassionally involves either lying or obfuscating the truth.

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

He never said the Pro. was being removed show where he directly said it. and no more foolish then you look argueing it.
 What you said above proves it your going off what you think and not facts your assumeing.

"Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy."

The key word there is THAT.
QED.

[ArkkAngel007]

Rdubs wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...



Again - and I swear I've made this point before, possibly specifically to you - it isn't about the PLOT.  It's about EXPERIENCING the game.  You could have learned about the Heretics from Tali, that way it's covered in the plot.  But something tells me you'd rather hear it from Legion. 

im just going to blatently steal this from arkkangel as he says it better than I could.

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You've been told and demonstrated to that you get all the lore info
in the actual game.  The DLC, specifically Javrik, expresses it in just a
different way.

You find it essential because you feel it is.
 Not because it actually is.  That is why I'm starkly against that
argument, because it's based on personal feelings and assumptions, not
facts.

I'm glad myself and all the other people upset have agreed that ArkkAngel should be the one who is judge and jury of what we feel is "essential"!

It's pretty clear here what one of the issues is.  You've got some people, probably PS3 players, who don't think having the option of having a Prothean squaddie, already designed and ready to go, is important to achieving maximum enjoyment of ME3.  Then you've got others who do believe having a squad member from the most enigmatic race in the game, and the mission with him, is important to them fully experiencing the game.  For anyone to claim they are a huge fan of the mass effect lore yet missing out on important storytime with a Prothean, is laughable.

You are skirting the issue. 
You believe he is important that he is essential because he is a Prothean.
The fact, and by fact is what is written/lack of being written in the script, is that he is not important.

BioWare gave an option.  I don't like how the option is handled, but they could have made him the only way you can get that information and actually be missing out.  But no.  They retained all the lore in the main game, and gave an optional offer of having a Prothean squadmate and experience things through his perspective instead.  You get both, then you get two perspectives to the same lore.

He doesn't have an important storyline, because he failed in what his purpose was.  Now he's just along for the ride.

And again, while you insinuate I'm a "biodrone" and defending this between your poor prose, I've made it clear again and again that I disagree in how this has been handled.

What I find laughable is someone such as yourself refusing to acknowledge the flaws in your argument when they are pointed out.  Just reasses what your argument is, and move on.

I mean, your argument is that since Protheans are important to the fans, and are being offered as fan service, we shouldn't have to be paying extra for it on launch day?  There's nothing wrong with that.  It's just the details you are giving that are flawed.  That's all.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 25 février 2012 - 11:04 .