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[foo man chew]

Evilelf007 wrote...

The whining by the entitled is amusing! lol

Way to be mature by calling people whiney and entitled  im sure that helps your argument.

[Rdubs]

Rip504 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

The prothean squadmate was not removed, the text was, ergo I am correct, you are incorrect. Try again.

LOL.  That is how it turned out, yes.  So how could it be???  Chris said the Prothean squad mate was removed yet it turns out there actually is one?  HOW COULD THAT BE????  Two options, I am sure you will choose whichever one makes you feel less foolish for having put so much investment in defending all this.

1) It was originally scheduled, then they decided to cut it, then "no wait let's slam to get it back in!!!!!  Whew glad we made it!!!"
2) Chris was doing his job as PR guy and leak damage control guy which occassionally involves either lying or obfuscating the truth.

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

Rumors number 2...
But a different team had to create and finish the squadmate after verification. The character is also not needed in ME3,only enhances the story. And only for those interested in the Protheans & Eden Prime.

But these amps go to 11!

[obie191970]

Squallypo wrote...

i do need gold memb on xbox 360 to play mp stuff right? (duh obviously)

You get a 2 day pass with the game.  But, otherwise yes.

[Rdubs]

Lufven1 wrote...

The thing is that most people don't view this day-one DLC as an addon to the game but as a cut-off of the main game. And who could blame them? For all we know this character could have been completed months ago (yes, I know what Bioware said about that). Like me, many feel that content that is being available at launch should be included in the game and not be treated as an addon.

And there is fairly decent evidence which indicates that is the case.

[Squallypo]

obie191970 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

i do need gold memb on xbox 360 to play mp stuff right? (duh obviously)

You get a 2 day pass with the game.  But, otherwise yes.

aWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwie well i never got interested on mp stuff anyways but ill just take advantage of the 2 days thank you kind sir

[Evilelf007]

Didn't know my comment about people being whiny and entitled was even supposed to be an argument...I would call it more of a personal observation, and pointed out the fact that this threat is amusing.

[rainasa]

Rdubs wrote...



And there is fairly decent evidence which indicates that is the case.

"random statments that I just pulled out of my ass" is not fairly decent evidence.

[OdanUrr]

Rdubs wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

LOL.  That is how it turned out, yes.  So how could it be???  Chris said the Prothean squad mate was removed yet it turns out there actually is one?  HOW COULD THAT BE????  Two options, I am sure you will choose whichever one makes you feel less foolish for having put so much investment in defending all this.

1) It was originally scheduled, then they decided to cut it, then "no wait let's slam to get it back in!!!!!  Whew glad we made it!!!"
2) Chris was doing his job as PR guy and leak damage control guy which occassionally involves either lying or obfuscating the truth.

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

He never said the Pro. was being removed show where he directly said it. and no more foolish then you look argueing it.
 What you said above proves it your going off what you think and not facts your assumeing.

"Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy."

The key word there is THAT.
QED.

Like I said 100+ pages ago, it comes down to interpretation. The key word isn't "that," but "it." What is "it"? The text? The Prothean squadmate and adventure? We didn't know then as was expected. If Bioware had stated earlier that the bonus squadmate and mission was this "Prothean squadmate/adventure" then we would have had this discussion months ago. Because they didn't, we're having it two weeks before release.

[Rdubs]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

The prothean squadmate was not removed, the text was, ergo I am correct, you are incorrect. Try again.

LOL.  That is how it turned out, yes.  So how could it be???  Chris said the Prothean squad mate was removed yet it turns out there actually is one?  HOW COULD THAT BE????  Two options, I am sure you will choose whichever one makes you feel less foolish for having put so much investment in defending all this.

1) It was originally scheduled, then they decided to cut it, then "no wait let's slam to get it back in!!!!!  Whew glad we made it!!!"
2) Chris was doing his job as PR guy and leak damage control guy which occassionally involves either lying or obfuscating the truth.

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

What a peach you are, twisting everyone's words and ignoring all evidence to cling to your argument.

He was preplanned.  Gamestop or whoever leaked out the Prothean's inclusion in the CE.  BioWare marketing and PR remove the text, as they weren't prepared to make an announcemet, as they had nothing to show at the time out side of concept art from preproduction.

And again, none of the work had been done on "From Ashes" at that point.  VO sessions hadn't even begun outside of Meer and Hale.

Now, who is the fool again?  Those who actually know what they are talking about?  Or the squishy human who can't keep their drama restricted to  Bravo TV?

1) Thank you for proving one of my points!  That this guy almost a YEAR ago was planned withhold content most fans would deem important for the sole purpose of trying to offer it as extra pay-for Day 1 DLC.
2) The rest: pathetic.

[Tar-Minastir]

rainasa wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...


The ppl attacking have something to gain whether it be in a change in the release content of ME3 or in terms of how dlc is handled in the future.

Those defending gain nothing and are fanatically defending something which, if truely justifiable, will not need their righteous support.  Bioware/EA are big companies that are very finacially secure.  They do not need your charity purchase or vocal support.  Simply buying their product will be enough.  They are the big boys of the industry.

the only thing the people who are throwing a temper tantrum like you are proving is that we can never have nice things, and that bioware shouldnt try to do somthing special for their long time fans ever again.

Bioware is not doing you a favor w/ this dlc.  They are charging for it to make money.  Don't act like they need charirty money to stay solvent and we won't get anything if we don't lick their fingers.  If this was really a special thnak you to all their loyal fans they wouldn't be charging for it.

Imagine you are buying apples at the store and then are 1$ each. Upon reaching the register you are informed that b/c you are a loyal customer you get the privilage of buying and extra apple for only 1$ more.  Although in this case for the content amount in the dlc compared to the rest of the game it would be more like 3$ for the extra apple.  This is not how customer relations work.  

What boggles my mind is that it is only the video game industry were consumers will defend flawed business practices.  It's ad if they fear the entire industy wil fail if they don't bend over an take it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Rdubs wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

The thing is that most people don't view this day-one DLC as an addon to the game but as a cut-off of the main game. And who could blame them? For all we know this character could have been completed months ago (yes, I know what Bioware said about that). Like me, many feel that content that is being available at launch should be included in the game and not be treated as an addon.

And there is fairly decent evidence which indicates that is the case.

Which is?  Because the scripts, TLK files, and other information say otherwise.

[Rdubs]

Exia001 wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Rdubs wrote...
Again, confusing "plot" and "lore" with the experience of obtaining that information.  Why don't you go back and play ME2 except have someone else handle all the parts with Legion, then call you on the phone and give you a recap.  In that situation you're still getting all the plot and lore information right?  But somehow I think you'd argue that would detract from your gaming experience.

Exactly, we all know this content is out there, so denying it on day 1 is just bad.  The expirence of the game is being diluted and tainted.

But not by much, and its not like you cant do anything about it

You lucky bum, in order to be able to make the statement "But not by much" the only way you could know that is to have played the game.  Did you win the balloon competition thing?  Agh it must be awesome to be you.
And you are totally correct, no one can do anything about it.  Except create enough backlash that Bioware realizes this was a stupid idea.  I have the CE so it doesn't affect me personally, but on principle this is messed up.

[Rdubs]

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

I am foolish for backing up what I say with evidence, yet you are not foolish by providing baseless speculation without it?

I see. Interesting. I'll just continue conversing with anyone that actually has anything worthwhile to say then.

Re-posting incorrect information does not constitute "evidence" no matter how many times you post it.  If you think so, GLWT.

[ArkkAngel007]

Rdubs wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Wrong again, nice try.  You provide the quote yet the point I made, which invalidates your point, is what the word "that" is referencing.  Chris' "that" was referencing the Prothean squad member, not the text.  Basic English.

The prothean squadmate was not removed, the text was, ergo I am correct, you are incorrect. Try again.

LOL.  That is how it turned out, yes.  So how could it be???  Chris said the Prothean squad mate was removed yet it turns out there actually is one?  HOW COULD THAT BE????  Two options, I am sure you will choose whichever one makes you feel less foolish for having put so much investment in defending all this.

1) It was originally scheduled, then they decided to cut it, then "no wait let's slam to get it back in!!!!!  Whew glad we made it!!!"
2) Chris was doing his job as PR guy and leak damage control guy which occassionally involves either lying or obfuscating the truth.

Your constant and stretched defense of this is making you look foolish.

What a peach you are, twisting everyone's words and ignoring all evidence to cling to your argument.

He was preplanned.  Gamestop or whoever leaked out the Prothean's inclusion in the CE.  BioWare marketing and PR remove the text, as they weren't prepared to make an announcemet, as they had nothing to show at the time out side of concept art from preproduction.

And again, none of the work had been done on "From Ashes" at that point.  VO sessions hadn't even begun outside of Meer and Hale.

Now, who is the fool again?  Those who actually know what they are talking about?  Or the squishy human who can't keep their drama restricted to  Bravo TV?

1) Thank you for proving one of my points!  That this guy almost a YEAR ago was planned withhold content most fans would deem important for the sole purpose of trying to offer it as extra pay-for Day 1 DLC.
2) The rest: pathetic.

You skipped my other response to you, where I said the overall idea of your argument is fine, but your evidence and execution is lacking.

And wow, again, you just disregard everything that comes your way just because you don't care about the reality, just your opinion.  You wouldn't have even received the snarky bits if you weren't acting like a total **** in the first place.

[rainasa]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Bioware is not doing you a favor w/ this dlc.  They are charging for it to make money.  Don't act like they need charirty money to stay solvent and we won't get anything if we don't lick their fingers.  If this was really a special thnak you to all their loyal fans they wouldn't be charging for it.

Imagine you are buying apples at the store and then are 1$ each. Upon reaching the register you are informed that b/c you are a loyal customer you get the privilage of buying and extra apple for only 1$ more.  Although in this case for the content amount in the dlc compared to the rest of the game it would be more like 3$ for the extra apple.  This is not how customer relations work.  

What boggles my mind is that it is only the video game industry were consumers will defend flawed business practices.  It's ad if they fear the entire industy wil fail if they don't bend over an take it.

you REALLY need to work on your analogies, they dont make sense at all. it would be less you having the "privilage" to do anything and more along the lines of a "hey guys, to celebrate our Xth anniversary we are releasing Y, somthing Z ammount of people have been asking for awhile now, enjoy!"

[Niemack Saarinen]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Imagine you are buying apples at the store and then are 1$ each. Upon reaching the register you are informed that b/c you are a loyal customer you get the privilage of buying and extra apple for only 1$ more.  Although in this case for the content amount in the dlc compared to the rest of the game it would be more like 3$ for the extra apple.  This is not how customer relations work.  

Except in this case you go up to the register with all those apples.  (whycantiholdalltheseapples.jpg)  -   and they say "hey for being a loyal customer we're going to give you an offer,  we're tossing in some oranges, they might not be your taste but its there if your interested - you dont have to buy them if you dont want to, you can enjoy those apples fully without these oranges, but these oranges, man.. these oranges? are effin delicious. "

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...



And there is fairly decent evidence which indicates that is the case.

"random statments that I just pulled out of my ass" is not fairly decent evidence.

You noticed that those who wanted the evidence from me that I PM'd no longer are like that?

[Rdubs]

Rip504 wrote...

LoL
Legion? Compared to the Prothean?

Lol Really?

The Geth/Quarian conflict plays a role in the Reaper war. Legion was needed in ME2,to help make this happen in ME3.

Prothean is for the fans who are interested in it. It does not effect the Reaper war,it enhances ME3. (ME2-3 Story)

Take away Legion,Garrus,Tali etc,is a failed argument. Really.

Legion wasn't needed to handle either the Heretics or the Geth/Quarian war.  Those easily could have been handled other ways which did not detract from the "plot", but having Legion do it enriched the game play experience.  Saying the Prothean isn't an important part of the content because he's not an important part of the plot is a very weak, although very common, position to take.

[rainasa]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


You skipped my other response to you, where I said the overall idea of your argument is fine, but your evidence and execution is lacking.

And wow, again, you just disregard everything that comes your way just because you don't care about the reality, just your opinion.  You wouldn't have even received the snarky bits if you weren't acting like a total **** in the first place.

just report and block Rdubs at this point, she did the same things to me yesterday. at this point she is trolling whether she is doing it on purpose or not has yet to be seen.

Modifié par rainasa, 25 février 2012 - 11:17 .

[AlanC9]

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...
The thing is that most people don't view this day-one DLC as an addon to the game but as a cut-off of the main game. And who could blame them? For all we know this character could have been completed months ago (yes, I know what Bioware said about that). Like me, many feel that content that is being available at launch should be included in the game and not be treated as an addon.

Of course he could have been completed months ago. Bio can allocate resources any way they like.

I just don't understand how you can say that you'd be happier if Bio finished From Ashes and then deliberately held it back rather than release it on day 1. You're worse off; you're getting the content later.

Is your fantasy that buying a game entitles you to all the content the company has ready on day 1 really that important to you? So important that you'd rather that the company lie to you about what's ready and what isn't?

I'm pretty sure Bioware is not lying(a lot). They are just withelding information. I'm not saying I'm entitled to anything I just believe that any content planned for the release is going to be there. Prothy was planned to be ready on launch and he was but not avaiable to everybody (and don't say he's avaiable for 10$). Content that is planned to be released later, expansions and DLC's, is fine to charge extra for. But then again, we will never know if the next DLC that is released for ME3 is already done and is just sitting there waiting for someone to push the "release" button.  

Why not say he's available for $10? It's true.

And if the next DLC really is ready now, we'd all be better off if they released it on day 1 too. Though if they'd rather hold it back to keep people like you from feeling sad, I'd rather know that's what they're doing. Of course, admitting that publicly would make people like you sad too, so Chris will have to PM me or something.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2012 - 11:20 .

[Tar-Minastir]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

Imagine you are buying apples at the store and then are 1$ each. Upon reaching the register you are informed that b/c you are a loyal customer you get the privilage of buying and extra apple for only 1$ more.  Although in this case for the content amount in the dlc compared to the rest of the game it would be more like 3$ for the extra apple.  This is not how customer relations work.  

Except in this case you go up to the register with all those apples.  (whycantiholdalltheseapples.jpg)  -   and they say "hey for being a loyal customer we're going to give you an offer,  we're tossing in some oranges, they might not be your taste but its there if your interested - you dont have to buy them if you dont want to, you can enjoy those apples fully without these oranges, but these oranges, man.. these oranges? are effin delicious. "

They're not tossing in anything. They are charging for it.  If this dlc was out of the goodness of bioware/ea's hearts as a gift to their loyal fans, as you have stated, then they wouldn't be charging extra.  Do not delude yourself into thinking bioware has you best interest at heart. 

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 25 février 2012 - 11:19 .

[Rip504]

Rdubs wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

LoL
Legion? Compared to the Prothean?

Lol Really?

The Geth/Quarian conflict plays a role in the Reaper war. Legion was needed in ME2,to help make this happen in ME3.

Prothean is for the fans who are interested in it. It does not effect the Reaper war,it enhances ME3. (ME2-3 Story)

Take away Legion,Garrus,Tali etc,is a failed argument. Really.

Legion wasn't needed to handle either the Heretics or the Geth/Quarian war.  Those easily could have been handled other ways which did not detract from the "plot", but having Legion do it enriched the game play experience.  Saying the Prothean isn't an important part of the content because he's not an important part of the plot is a very weak, although very common, position to take.

Legion was the way Bioware decided to handle it,LoL.
Hence Legion being needed in ME2.

I want my Prothean Squadmate to scream "Can NOT be STOPPED" during fire fights.

Modifié par Rip504, 25 février 2012 - 11:20 .

[Rdubs]

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

I'm glad myself and all the other people upset have agreed that ArkkAngel should be the one who is judge and jury of what we feel is "essential"!

It's pretty clear here what one of the issues is.  You've got some people, probably PS3 players, who don't think having the option of having a Prothean squaddie, already designed and ready to go, is important to achieving maximum enjoyment of ME3.  Then you've got others who do believe having a squad member from the most enigmatic race in the game, and the mission with him, is important to them fully experiencing the game.  For anyone to claim they are a huge fan of the mass effect lore yet missing out on important storytime with a Prothean, is laughable.

ArkkAngel only uses facts to back up his arguments, while you constantly use strawmans and the same points that have been proven to be misinformed to downright malicous time and time again. their comes a point when fanaticism causes only more harm to what people believe in, as the developers are more likely to simply disregard their opinion as trolling and you are far past that point.

It is getting annoying reading your comments, all you do is claim how you have proven anyone wrong and then repeat it later without ever having done so, in fact it has been shown to you where the faults in your evidence lie yet you continue to repeat the evidence without ever having addressed the disproving.  Just calling an argument a straw man does not make it so.  But it's sure easier to think you've won an argument by calling someone else's a straw man.  Good for you, that that works for you.

[obie191970]

Rdubs wrote...
Legion wasn't needed to handle either the Heretics or the Geth/Quarian war.  Those easily could have been handled other ways which did not detract from the "plot", but having Legion do it enriched the game play experience.  Saying the Prothean isn't an important part of the content because he's not an important part of the plot is a very weak, although very common, position to take.

Continuously using Legion in your argument is weak at best.  He was part of the main storyline and therefore critical to the plot of the game.  

[bennyjammin79]

Really? Am I the only one hearing that?