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[_symphony]

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.


edit: oh darn it, right at the top of the page, I was hoping to be in a less shiny spot.

Modifié par _symphony, 26 février 2012 - 12:42 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

THX-1137 wrote...



Probably has something called common sense or experience. Remember the Modern Warfare 3 boycott and how many of the signers could be seen playing it on day-1?

You know you'll buy it.

Crap quality but i knicked it from someone else.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 26 février 2012 - 12:42 .

[Kithrus]

_symphony wrote...

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.

I think comprimise at this point would be to make it 5-7 dollars.

That would be fair in my mind but thats me.

[obie191970]

They should have made Niftu Cal the DLC squaddie. Hearing "I am a biotic god, I think things and they happen! Fear me, lesser creatures, for I am biotics made flesh!" and "I am a great wind that will sweep all before me like a... a great wind! A great biotic wind!" during party banter would be priceless.

[BTCentral]

_symphony wrote...

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.

A lot of people keep coming back to this.

My issue with the whole "you didn't fork out an additional $20 for a squadmate" argument is that there are going to be people that did.

Some people pay silly amounts of money even just for things like exclusive pre-order DLC, so it would obviously be worth the "$20" to the likes of them. I saw some people bidding $75+ on pre-order DLC (on ebay) recently, for example - and that was just a single weapon. Not a mission, character, bunch of alternate outfits and weapon.

You are also forgetting it's considerably more expensive than $20 for people in the US - in the UK for example, it's $42 (PC)/$47 (360/PS3) more for the CE. Personally, I definately took the fact that I was getting said DLC included into consideration when justifying the price.

Sure, I liked some of the physical content (in my case the artbook, lithograph, etc.) - but had the DLC not been included, I personally more than likely would have not been able to justify the price increase.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Does it matter what the "boycotters" do purchase wise? That is irrelevant to what we are discussing. They are consumers and have a right to, whether the reasons they do it or not are justified or otherwise. It's their loss on missing the game, and it's EAs/BioWare's loss of whatever monetary amount lost to those people.

If they decide to not boycott because they have a change of heart for whatever reason, that's their business, same if it's the other case.

As long as they aren't spreading misinformation, it's no one else's business, especially when it comes to their money they earned.

[OdanUrr]

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Wait a minute. How'd we suddenly get to the DLCs being free? Since when were we talking about that? I thought we were just talking about the timing of releases.

That's the problem with in this these pages, we as a community haven't agreed on what the problem was/is. And when i asked, I got two different answers almost immediately. This is not going to be sloved anytime soon.
All I can hope for is that it is come the 6th then the Americans get the game, if nothing else they should be too busy play it to be much complaining, and then I can find out myself on the 9th when I get my copy.
Until then it’s all circumstantial

Okay, as I understand it people are taking issue with this DLC for a variety of reasons:

1) Anything made before release by the same team who worked on the game must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

2) Anything made before release by anyone must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

3) If the DLC is considered to be important enough for X reason, then it must be made available for free or at a reasonable (definitions vary) price.

4) Combination of the above.

My particular issue is the following:

5) If you developed a Prothean squadmate and mission as paid DLC and didn't prepare for the ****storm that was bound to pop up at some point, you, my friend, have a very limited understanding of human nature.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 26 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[Rip504]

LoL Sorry

Modifié par Rip504, 26 février 2012 - 12:51 .

[Kithrus]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Does it matter what the "boycotters" do purchase wise? That is irrelevant to what we are discussing. They are consumers and have a right to, whether the reasons they do it or not are justified or otherwise. It's their loss on missing the game, and it's EAs/BioWare's loss of whatever monetary amount lost to those people.

If they decide to not boycott because they have a change of heart for whatever reason, that's their business, same if it's the other case.

As long as they aren't spreading misinformation, it's no one else's business, especially when it comes to their money they earned.

Wht about that fellow that got banned from the forums last year and wasn't able to plau DA2? was that only and issue between him and EA/Bioware?

At what point should the collective customers get together to slap some sence into a company.

What your making it sound like is this is a lost cause and everyone should do their own thing.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BTCentral wrote...

_symphony wrote...

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.

People keep coming back to this.

My issue with the whole "you didn't fork out an additiona $20 for a squadmate argument" is that there are going to be people that did.

You are also forgetting it's considerably more expensive than $20 for people in the US - in the UK for example, it's $42 (PC)/$47 (360/PS3) more for the CE. Personally, I definately took the fact that I was getting said DLC included into consideration when justifying the price.

Sure, I liked some of the physical content (in my case the artbook, lithograph, etc.) - but had the DLC not been included, I personally more than likely would have not been able to justify the price increase.

The prothean dlc was expected for me , but I bought the CE for other reasons.Either way it's a bonus for people who bought the CE , that's why I'm not for giving it away for free.Unless CE buyers get the next dlc after for free it's only fair if porthean is free to everyone.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 26 février 2012 - 12:53 .

[obie191970]

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, as I understand it people are taking issue with this DLC for a variety of reasons:

1) Anything made before release by the same team who worked on the game must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

2) Anything made before release by anyone must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

3) If the DLC is considered to be important enough for X reason, then it must be made available for free.

4) Combination of the above.

My particular issue is the following:

5) If you developed a Prothean squadmate and mission as paid DLC and didn't prepare for the ****storm that was bound to pop up at some point, you, my friend, have a very limited understanding of human nature.

Seconded.  The other points are irrelevant to me.

[_symphony]

BTCentral wrote...

My issue with the whole "you didn't fork out an additiona $20 for a squadmate argument" is that there are going to be people that did.

I know that, and that's BioWare the one people should be complaining at. They never pointed that prothy was going to be in a Day 1 DLC that was planned from the very start. They leave you in the dark so you would buy the more expensive CE

But I don't see people saying "BioWare! What. The. Hell. I bought the CE thinking that was the only way of getting prothy and now you say I can get it in the release day for less money?" I only see CE owners throwing rocks at SE buyers because they are trying to get a better deal.

Modifié par _symphony, 26 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


"That is irrelevant to what we are discussing."
 
"it's no one else's business"

When they are posting it on a public forum they make it other people's business and therefore make it a relevant topic of discussion.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 12:58 .

[Evilelf007]

I think it's funny that people are offering suggestions to solve something that ultimately doesn't need solving.

It will stay as is, and will ultimately have next to zero impact on sales.

The only thing that will affect sales out of this, is the extra free publicity that Bioware is getting as a result. The only BAD publicity is NO publicity!

[ArkkAngel007]

_symphony wrote...

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.


edit: oh darn it, right at the top of the page, I was hoping to be in a less shiny spot.

A lot of people bought the CE due to the additional in-game content.  If it weren't for the additional mission and squad member, I may have purchased the SE instead (I say may have, as I always knew that this was included in the CE).  

We weren't told until just a few days ago that it was available elsewhere, and like it was said elsewhere on this thread, people are paying $40 some-odd more for this content in the CE in various countries.  Suddenly the $40 some odd value is decreased without a refund...not good. 

I like the idea of those who purchase the CE can get free DLC down the line to make up that cost, but it's probably too late for any of that.

[ZX12r Ninja]

_symphony wrote...

I'm risking flame, but I don't see what's the issue if the DLC is free. I'm not saying the it should be free, but I don't see why it can't be free, or at least not 1/6 of the full game price.

People who bought the CE bought just that, the Collection Edition, you didn't fork $20 for an additional squadmate only, you did it for get the CE. Of course that if BioWare tricked you into thinking that prothy was a CE exclusive and the only way to get it was by buying the CE is BioWare's fault and part of this whole problem.


edit: oh darn it, right at the top of the page, I was hoping to be in a less shiny spot.

The price of the DLC is calculated into the price of CE, essentially we paid for it and thus we are getting it.

[Tar-Minastir]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Does it matter what the "boycotters" do purchase wise? That is irrelevant to what we are discussing. They are consumers and have a right to, whether the reasons they do it or not are justified or otherwise. It's their loss on missing the game, and it's EAs/BioWare's loss of whatever monetary amount lost to those people.

If they decide to not boycott because they have a change of heart for whatever reason, that's their business, same if it's the other case.

As long as they aren't spreading misinformation, it's no one else's business, especially when it comes to their money they earned.

This is absolutely true and is the main point brought up in the forbes article.  I just wish more of the gaming community would stand up and demand better service from devlopers and producers.  It would be better for the industry as a whole, but sadly this will never happen (at least until something crazy like sacrificing your first born comes into play).

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 26 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Kithrus wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Does it matter what the "boycotters" do purchase wise? That is irrelevant to what we are discussing. They are consumers and have a right to, whether the reasons they do it or not are justified or otherwise. It's their loss on missing the game, and it's EAs/BioWare's loss of whatever monetary amount lost to those people.

If they decide to not boycott because they have a change of heart for whatever reason, that's their business, same if it's the other case.

As long as they aren't spreading misinformation, it's no one else's business, especially when it comes to their money they earned.

Wht about that fellow that got banned from the forums last year and wasn't able to plau DA2? was that only and issue between him and EA/Bioware?

At what point should the collective customers get together to slap some sence into a company.

What your making it sound like is this is a lost cause and everyone should do their own thing.

That was something that could have affected all of us at any point.

Me choosing to go to GameStop tomorrow and cancel my CE won't affect any of you here, unless you were looking for a CE to become available and lived in the area.

I wasn't talking about not boycotting.  I was talking about respecting people's decisions to boycott, whether or not they decide to fold on that action when the game actually comes out.

I nowhere indicated that it's a loss cause, so you either misunderstood me, or quoted the wrong person.  

[PSUHammer]

Just popping in to see what is going on and I had a flashback to over 200 pages ago? Way to beat the dead horse folks! I am so proud of BSN!

[SharpShoot211]

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

And how do you boycott something that isn't out yet? I don't get it...

Modifié par SharpShoot211, 26 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[Rdubs]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

1)Chris Priestly stating that the Prothy was being removed from the game/CE or whatever.  Your first mistake is believing Mr. Priestly, who is a notorious fan troller.  Jk, his fan interactions leave much to be desired, and he's been wrong in the past as well.  But the fact was that they were just removing that bit of the description, because they had nothing prepared to show the public yet.

2) That the Prothean was developed at that point and removed.  The reality is that there was no work for the Prothean or the rest of "From Ashes" done at that point outside of a handful of lines in the script that were squad banter that interacted with the rest o the game if he were to be downloaded.  The original concept of a Prothean in ME3 was dropped very early in pre production.  Those assets of that Prothean and Eden Prime were reused later during production to develop the "From Ashes" DLC and the character of Javrik.

Arkk this is a great and thorough reply which helps convey understanding, thank you. 

I actually never take anything I hear from a PR person at face value.  I didn't find out about his posting until yesterday so what he wrote never mattered to me.  What bothered me was how only with hindsight bias can one say that he was clearly talking about the text mentioning the prothean, as the way it was written indicates he was referencing the Prothean not the text.  Just look at the number of "Bioware officially denies rumor of Prothean as CE squaddie" threads and responses.  But it's actually fairly irrelevant, so I'll drop it.

On your #2, I'll have to look into that as I remember reading about how he was fairly well developed, or at least all the pieces were put into place for him to be fully integrated by time of launch much like Shale.  To me this is just like Shale except instead of being an included incentive to try and encourage people to buy the game new, it's as if they were trying to sell Shale for $10 extra.

[Mike Shepard]

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

LordDeathRay is that you?

Yeah, Kasumi wasn't even ready at launch, so....what are you trying to say?

[OdanUrr]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

A lot of people bought the CE due to the additional in-game content.  If it weren't for the additional mission and squad member, I may have purchased the SE instead (I say may have, as I always knew that this was included in the CE).  

We weren't told until just a few days ago that it was available elsewhere, and like it was said elsewhere on this thread, people are paying $40 some-odd more for this content in the CE in various countries.  Suddenly the $40 some odd value is decreased without a refund...not good. 

I like the idea of those who purchase the CE can get free DLC down the line to make up that cost, but it's probably too late for any of that.

1) Naturally.

2) Okay, but if you bought it expecting the additional mission and squadmate to be the Prothean, then you were misinformed (until a few days ago when they confirmed that particular DLC was included in the CE).

3) I suggested that very same idea here but, as you have said, I believe that particular train has come and gone.

[Kithrus]

Mike Shepard wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

LordDeathRay is that you?

Yeah, Kasumi wasn't even ready at launch, so....what are you trying to say?

Yeah I have to agree get thine facts straights

[SharpShoot211]

Mike Shepard wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

LordDeathRay is that you?

Yeah, Kasumi wasn't even ready at launch, so....what are you trying to say?

Of course it's me. Who else?