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[Evilelf007]

"I'm commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on the forum!"

[OdanUrr]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Just popping in to see what is going on and I had a flashback to over 200 pages ago? Way to beat the dead horse folks! I am so proud of BSN!

What can I say? We try.

[LinksOcarina]

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

[SharpShoot211]

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Well then, I hope that is the case.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

And how do you boycott something that isn't out yet? I don't get it...

Even if they did cut this out from the came, (I don't care wither way, I bought the CE.) thats capitalism for you, it's just the way it is, and I personally don't see it changing anytime in the future.

[SharpShoot211]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

And how do you boycott something that isn't out yet? I don't get it...

Even if they did cut this out from the came, (I don't care wither way, I bought the CE.) thats capitalism for you, it's just the way it is, and I personally don't see it changing anytime in the future.

Actually, it's corporate capitalism.

[CommanderCoffee]

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

[LinksOcarina]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

Yeah I know...

Is this a sign of just...well...the fact that we debated and yelled and screamed for four days straight that we really care about this game so much?

[Dilos01]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

I almost thought about ice cream...but it wasn't worth the brainfreeze.

[ArkkAngel007]

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

[Mike Shepard]

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

This. So much this. They put some of the assets such as squad banter in the game which allows the files you download to interact with the existing ones. It limits download sizes for the DLC and all that. It was not "ripped from the game" to be sold later. it was finished after the game went to certification.

Modifié par Mike Shepard, 26 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

Oh boy! I sure do hope it's mint choclate chip! 

[Kithrus]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

[PSUHammer]

LinksOcarina wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

Yeah I know...

Is this a sign of just...well...the fact that we debated and yelled and screamed for four days straight that we really care about this game so much?

Based on this thread, I can't tell if it is love or hate.  Maybe both?  I just play.

[SharpShoot211]

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

I do hope to God that the media doesn't get involved.

[Mike Shepard]

SharpShoot211 wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

I do hope to God that the media doesn't get involved.

Too late, LDR. I already called my friend at the NY Daily News. They're doing a front page exposé on this.

unless they're not.

[CommanderCoffee]

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

Uh, I honestly don't give a crap what happens at this point. I'm more concerned over getting my CE, but I gotta wait 10 days for it. Ah well. 

If the media gets involved, what happens? All they can really do is report. The media can't press legal papers, and there isn't anything that is really illegal going on. Some say it's unethical, some say its unfair, but the media isn't going to serve papers. If anything, it'll be press, and people will start looking at the story. If they're for you, good for you, you have supporters. If not, well, ME3 gets free advertisement and that would be kinda what you don't want.

tl;dr, I could care less.

[ArkkAngel007]

OdanUrr wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

A lot of people bought the CE due to the additional in-game content.  If it weren't for the additional mission and squad member, I may have purchased the SE instead (I say may have, as I always knew that this was included in the CE).  

We weren't told until just a few days ago that it was available elsewhere, and like it was said elsewhere on this thread, people are paying $40 some-odd more for this content in the CE in various countries.  Suddenly the $40 some odd value is decreased without a refund...not good. 

I like the idea of those who purchase the CE can get free DLC down the line to make up that cost, but it's probably too late for any of that.

1) Naturally.

2) Okay, but if you bought it expecting the additional mission and squadmate to be the Prothean, then you were misinformed (until a few days ago when they confirmed that particular DLC was included in the CE).

3) I suggested that very same idea here but, as you have said, I believe that particular train has come and gone.

How was I misinformed?  BioWare/GameStop dropped the ball a year ago and had the Prothean mentioned.  Marketing and PR tried to cover-it-up, but the damage is done and many of us have known since.

[Rdubs]

Well all it's been fun, all of you be safe. Just a couple parting points:
1) I actually ordered the CE, actually my wife got it for me as a Christmas present. But this whole mess has me pretty turned off from what happened here, so I'm thinking about canceling the CE and switching to a SE, and related to the DLC content, just watch someone else pay it on Youtube. Won't be as good, and I'd be removing just one drop of rain from the flood of revenue that will be coming from this game, but it's hard feel okay with taking this lying down.

2) If you want to boycott, you don't HAVE to give up playing the game to do so. All you do is, at first rent it from some kind of gaming rental company which will mail it to you so you'll have it day of release (my subscription is like $15 a month), and then after a while once used copies show up on the market just buy one used. Then if you want the DLC content pay $10 extra. That process will minimize the amount of money Bioware gets from you, but still enables you to play the game when it comes out and keep it afterwards.

Modifié par Rdubs, 26 février 2012 - 01:19 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

Uh, I honestly don't give a crap what happens at this point. I'm more concerned over getting my CE, but I gotta wait 10 days for it. Ah well. 

If the media gets involved, what happens? All they can really do is report. The media can't press legal papers, and there isn't anything that is really illegal going on. Some say it's unethical, some say its unfair, but the media isn't going to serve papers. If anything, it'll be press, and people will start looking at the story. If they're for you, good for you, you have supporters. If not, well, ME3 gets free advertisement and that would be kinda what you don't want.

tl;dr, I could care less.

This is to uninteresting for the media, a story more like this one suits the media better...

[LinksOcarina]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

See, I just love how simple investigation reveals the truth, rather than knee jerk reactions in the end. Thanks for confirming my friend as correct, it puts me at ease on this a lot now.

[ForceXev]

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, as I understand it people are taking issue with this DLC for a variety of reasons:

1) Anything made before release by the same team who worked on the game must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

2) Anything made before release by anyone must be made available with the game at no additional cost.

I think these two points are true if you are referring to a portion of the game content comprising story, gameplay, character, etc.  Weapons and cosmetic stuff being monitized separately is annoying, but it is a little more justifyable.

3) If the DLC is considered to be important enough for X reason, then it
must be made available for free or at a reasonable (definitions vary)
price.

Points 1 and 2 trump this, so this is sort of irrelevant.  Any game & story content that comes out on day 1 should be included in the game, regardless of its importance.  This is why people claiming "From Ashes" is optional is irrelevant, IMO.

If you are referring to post-release DLC, then the content can be any level of importance to the story.  It should of course be priced fairly, but that's true about any product.

My particular issue is the following:

5) If you developed a Prothean squadmate and mission as paid DLC and didn't prepare for the ****storm that was bound to pop up at some point, you, my friend, have a very limited understanding of human nature.

I think it would have been very cool post-release DLC, if it came out a few weeks or so after release.  It would have given people a decent reason to do another playthrough of the game, and the importance of the content would have made it a worthy purchase.  By releasing it at the same time as the game they are creating the perception that "From Ashes" is not extra content, but rather it is a piece of the original game that you have to pay extra for.

[CommanderCoffee]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

You laugh but if the media get involved hom much back peddling will be done?

Uh, I honestly don't give a crap what happens at this point. I'm more concerned over getting my CE, but I gotta wait 10 days for it. Ah well. 

If the media gets involved, what happens? All they can really do is report. The media can't press legal papers, and there isn't anything that is really illegal going on. Some say it's unethical, some say its unfair, but the media isn't going to serve papers. If anything, it'll be press, and people will start looking at the story. If they're for you, good for you, you have supporters. If not, well, ME3 gets free advertisement and that would be kinda what you don't want.

tl;dr, I could care less.

This is to uninteresting for the media, a story more like this one suits the media better...

"I NEVER PLAYED IT BUT ALIEN SEX SIM OMG BAN BAN"

[SharpShoot211]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

See, I just love how simple investigation reveals the truth, rather than knee jerk reactions in the end. Thanks for confirming my friend as correct, it puts me at ease on this a lot now.

Yeah...I think I spoke without logic. Ugh.

And I just generally hate the media. Comes with punching reporters (Ooh-Rah).

[Evilelf007]

LinksOcarina wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Oh man, almost 400 pages. Keep it up, people. Maybe at 400, ice cream will rain from the ceilings!

Yeah I know...

Is this a sign of just...well...the fact that we debated and yelled and screamed for four days straight that we really care about this game so much?

And there's the thing.  This game series wouldn't exist without Bioware's genius... thus even if they aren't doing things exactly how you personally (not you personally, just a general reference to anyone reading this lol) would... we should all appreciate the great quality product that they have made for everyone!

I purchased the CE myself... even without the dlc, I know it would literally be getting HUNDREDS of hours of entertainment out of this game, just as I had the previous 2.  The additional content didn't make me think twice about locking up my CE back in July.

Where else can you spend $60 for the SE or $80 for the CE and get that kind of return on investment in the entertainment market?

I spend $70/seat for hockey tickets for a 2 and a half hour game, which I then have to pay $8 for a beer!

This is a AAA quality game that will give hundreds of hours of gaming entertainment that is at the same price as most of the other crap games people are still paying $60 for!

This is still such a spectacular value for the dollar it's crazy!  I am more than appreciative for the value.