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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Evilelf007 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

and just like Duke Nukem I won't buy them... you seem to think that just Because Bioware makes and its good  we so how obligated to pay for it.  no matter how we feel they do buisness.

. Big whopp they make triple A  quality games.. . NICE..  THAT IS THERE  JOB.  The job is to  make the high quality title.

Where they  are dropping the ball is customer relations . which is  just as Important if not more because you know anything about customer service you can offer  the same product and the same price. If you customer feels like they are being slighted or mistreated... They will go some place else  even if its slight more expensive.  

I don't like the way Bioware handled and distrubted this DLC ... so therefore  I will not buy the product new out the box any more.   

If you don't want to buy it, that's your choice... that's the wonderful thing about capitalism.  Just don't expect Bioware will miss you, as their product is epic and an extreme value!

You say they dropped the ball on customer relations, I say most of the customers haven't even noticed!  It's only the select hard core fans that pay attention to forums like this that even noticed.  If they did notice, it was due to one of the few blogs/articles about it... but all that achieved was getting the publicity for the game out there.  The casual fan has already proven year after year, that day 1 dlc is acceptable.  If they were going to rail against this, it would have happened in 2009... not now.

If you don't want to get incredible value for your entertainment dollar, that is your choice... as that is what you are getting when you buy a ME game!

Either way... I DGAF.... as my signature obviously points out... lol

^This , if it wasn't for the value I'm know I'm getting.I would have bought the regular SE.

[XSpectreGreyX]

I have the N7 Collector's Edition pre-ordered, but I can't resist.

[BaronIveagh]

Evilelf007 wrote...

If you don't want to buy it, that's your choice... that's the wonderful thing about capitalism.  Just don't expect Bioware will miss you, as their product is epic and an extreme value!

You say they dropped the ball on customer relations, I say most of the customers haven't even noticed!  It's only the select hard core fans that pay attention to forums like this that even noticed.  If they did notice, it was due to one of the few blogs/articles about it... but all that achieved was getting the publicity for the game out there.  The casual fan has already proven year after year, that day 1 dlc is acceptable.  If they were going to rail against this, it would have happened in 2009... not now.

One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.  It even made the nightly news here. 

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[_symphony]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Day 1 DLC #Firstworldproblems

If you don't feel the issue is a big deal why are you getting involved?

To laugh at everyone else who thinks it is.

aw, you're so cute.

[nitefyre410]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

If you don't want to buy it, that's your choice... that's the wonderful thing about capitalism.  Just don't expect Bioware will miss you, as their product is epic and an extreme value!

You say they dropped the ball on customer relations, I say most of the customers haven't even noticed!  It's only the select hard core fans that pay attention to forums like this that even noticed.  If they did notice, it was due to one of the few blogs/articles about it... but all that achieved was getting the publicity for the game out there.  The casual fan has already proven year after year, that day 1 dlc is acceptable.  If they were going to rail against this, it would have happened in 2009... not now.

One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

 

Check his Signature ...remember its says it... and he is right that it does say it all and alot more too.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

If you don't want to buy it, that's your choice... that's the wonderful thing about capitalism.  Just don't expect Bioware will miss you, as their product is epic and an extreme value!

You say they dropped the ball on customer relations, I say most of the customers haven't even noticed!  It's only the select hard core fans that pay attention to forums like this that even noticed.  If they did notice, it was due to one of the few blogs/articles about it... but all that achieved was getting the publicity for the game out there.  The casual fan has already proven year after year, that day 1 dlc is acceptable.  If they were going to rail against this, it would have happened in 2009... not now.

One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Yeah , but just because you find out doesn't mean you get angry and cancel a pre-order.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you do not understand what I mean by what I said thats fair enough where business decides what actions to take are based on sales of particular revenues game sales vs DLC sales will be treated seporatley by them we both should know this. Lets not kid ourselves here, ME3 has broken all previous Bioware pre-order numbers for worldwide product release so far of their titles. But you could do with less of a cheesy catchphrase because the only thing reminded me of is your wishing to be he-man.

*silly picture snipped*

Actually never saw that before, the time I remember someone screaming it was a property owner who thought his house was haunted. 

He was holding a burning brand and screaming 'I'm alive and *I* have the power and I will burn this mother****ing house down and you will have no place to haunt!'  


The point was that buisnesses change thier minds if and when enough of thier customers start heading elsehwere due to bad decisions.  And, sure, it's broken all sorts of records for Bioware, but it still only reached half the goal EA set for it.

Sorry thats just the image that ripped it's way to the front of my mind when read that last line. Maybe showing signs of my old age recalling such a thing. 

I was trying to help you in a roundabout way, explaining because of the high sales and breaking numbers of pre-orders for the game itself, the only way to make a major impact given this element is how many of those will pay for the DLC out of those who buy the game. The game itself is selling so well that the loss of past or potential customers is marginalised due to this. Now if those who buy the product who do not buy the DLC is high in number they may rethink it in future. Think of it like first front you have already lost, you have lost because your impact financially is negligible to the sales of the game. You have a second opportunity via impact on DLC sales but you lost the first round because everyone else has filled your shoes with the pre-orders at it's current rate.

I will always defend a companies right to sell the product they create in a way they create, I will always defend a distributers right to distribute their products the way they wish (on both counts as long as remains within the law). But I will defend also peoples rights to not buy a product. The aspects are compatible, they have the right to create and distribute their products and you have the right to not buy them if so wish. All above stated principles are compatible and I have never changed or swayed from them as those are my beliefs. I fully endorse your right to not buy something (hence the second paragraph), but I also protect their right to sell you it how they like as long as falls within legal boundries.

It is probably why you hate me so much due to the Origin thread of which my stance there is the same here. 

[DJBare]

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

[Dragoonlordz]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

This is why I always have a go at those who come on BSN and spam a link to his videos, if they cannot put something in their own words, show they are capable of independant thought, then they deserve no respect from me. If they can do both those things they at least have some ground to stand on.

[Evilelf007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.  It even made the nightly news here. 

The only BAD publicity is NO publicity.

I've mentioned before, I know a couple people who had no interest in ME until they saw one of the articles about the dlc... it got them even more curious about the series, and have since taken Amazon.com up on their sale of the first two games as well as pre-ordered the 3rd.

These are people who I tried to tell for years to give the game a shot, yet had no desire to even look into it until the hardcore fans brought up a stink about the dlc being too good to be dlc! lol

[piemanz]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

I agree, I'm subscribed to TB and usually agree with him, but his time i think he put the video out without knowing the true facts and made assumptions based on nothing.

[ArkkAngel007]

We're back on TB again!?

FUUUUUU!!!!

[TheGoddess0fWar]

But in all seriousness. 8 Days till the game drops. None of this #OccupyBioware BS is going to do anything.

[Yuoaman]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

I don't think it was that big of a deal, he was obviously very passionate about what he was saying and he just happened to overstate the magnitude of DLC.

I still personally think the Prothean is a big deal, but that hasn't exactly been a secret around here.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

This is why I always have a go at those who come on BSN and spam a link to his videos, if they cannot put something in their own words, show they are capable of independant thought, then they deserve no respect from me. If they can do both those things they at least have some ground to stand on.

That's a bit harsh , but you make a valid point.People need to make up their own mind , and only use TB/EventStatus(I like  his videos) as hearing an opinion.Then they can search or come to their own conclusion on their own.

[Yuoaman]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

But in all seriousness. 8 Days till the game drops. None of this #OccupyBioware BS is going to do anything.

I still think it's worth a go, but again - my opinion and all that nonsense.

[Dragoonlordz]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

This is why I always have a go at those who come on BSN and spam a link to his videos, if they cannot put something in their own words, show they are capable of independant thought, then they deserve no respect from me. If they can do both those things they at least have some ground to stand on.

That's a bit harsh , but you make a valid point.People need to make up their own mind , and only use TB/EventStatus(I like  his videos) as hearing an opinion.Then they can search or come to their own conclusion on their own.

I know it is harsh but if they cannot take time or make the effort to express themselves for themselves, that is the line I take. If they cannot be bothered to try they don't deserve respect from me.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[DJBare]

Yuoaman wrote...
I still personally think the Prothean is a big deal, but that hasn't exactly been a secret around here.

I also think the prothean is a big deal, hell yeah, but vital?, hell no.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Yuoaman wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

I don't think it was that big of a deal, he was obviously very passionate about what he was saying and he just happened to overstate the magnitude of DLC.

I still personally think the Prothean is a big deal, but that hasn't exactly been a secret around here.

It's one thing to inform people about something , it's another thing to mis-lead someone on a situation.

[Evilelf007]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

But in all seriousness. 8 Days till the game drops. None of this #OccupyBioware BS is going to do anything.

8 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes according to my android countdown app!

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

DJBare wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
I still personally think the Prothean is a big deal, but that hasn't exactly been a secret around here.

I also think the prothean is a big deal, hell yeah, but vital?, hell no.

Same , Shepard's story still ends without prothean.

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...
One, in 2009 day one DLC was free.  Two, I would suggest the traffic that TotalBiscuit is getting suggests that more then a few people are finding out.

I mean, you have noticed it's in Forbes now?  Right?  That's not exactly a gaming mag.

Do accept TB's opinion as your own, or do you form your own opinion?
TB got on a soapbox and while I agree with some of his sentiments, his line that the DLC is "vital" was wrong and misleading, I'd always had respect for TB upto that point, everything else he complained about was fine, but that was out of line.

He  wording on that was  wrong yes but  I think that he may been  more refering to how this is being handle and the impression that its gives up off.

[RDSFirebane]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

We're back on TB again!?

FUUUUUU!!!!

come one man we had a nice conversation about the DLC not to many posts back we both knew it couldnt last forever lol. but gotta say after 400 pages this has gotten a lot more mellow.

[Yuoaman]

DJBare wrote...I also think the prothean is a big deal, hell yeah, but vital?, hell no.

Vitally magical, maybe.

[Kreidian]

XSpectreGreyX wrote...

I have the N7 Collector's Edition pre-ordered, but I can't resist.

Well here's MY take on the N7 Collector's Edition and associated drama!