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[El Ejcovero]

adawg828 wrote...
I still think that everybody complaining does not realize IT IS OPTIONAL. It will be like Zaeed and yes I know it is very important to the Mass Effect lore because of who the squadmate is but still IT IS OPTIONAL, the MAIN story will not be altered by not having him. 

New to the thread?

[Janter1]

OdanUrr wrote...

Ah, BSN, you never let me down.

The problem is that there's no easy solution here. The Protheans were an integral part in shaping the events of ME1, though they were somewhat relegated in ME2, so this DLC is kind of a throwback to the "good old days" of ME1, an homage if you will. Returning to Eden Prime would certainly give that "full circle" sensation, even more so if we were to encounter the Prothean there.

Michael Gamble said this is optional content designed to "appeal to long-time fans, which is why it's part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)." This is truish, in the sense that many long-time fans will undoubtedly buy the CE, but not everyone who buys the CE is a long-time fan. So, really, this is optional content designed for the CE. If the "From Ashes" content were designed for long-time fans, a possible solution would be to make it free DLC for everyone who has a copy of ME1 and ME2. Certainly that seems more reasonable if the target are the "long-time" fans. Those who are not owners of ME1 and ME2 already, likely first timers to the ME universe, could still pay the $10 and thus get some insight on the Protheans without having to actually play ME1 (I'd highly recommend it though).

Of course, turning the "From Ashes" into free DLC would probably ****** off those who have already pre-ordered their copies of the CE with good reason. If the "From Ashes" DLC was offered as free bonus content with the CE, any measure that offers the same content as free outside of the CE won't exactly be welcomed with open arms. Still, maybe they'd take to the solution proposed above with less hostility, who knows (especially if the CE never specified what the bonus content actually was).

Then there's the question of, what's the value of the DLC in terms of content? If we can talk to the Prothean and actually gain insight on their culture, technology, history, etc., then, to my mind, it's criminal not to include it as part of the core game! Yes, maybe you don't need him to win the war at all, but it's a huge nod to the saga's roots. I should think long-time fans would most definitely want to talk to a real, live Prothean. On the other hand, if he's nothing more than a henchmen whose only usefulness is to shoot at enemies, the long-time fans and owners of the CE probably won't take it very well. "$10 for a guy who shoots people? Really? I can do that already!"

The bottom line is, no matter what you do now, you'll end up pissing people off. The issue is that it didn't have to be this way. If the "From Ashes" DLC truly targets long-time fans, you're better off with the solution posted above and then design additional bonus content especially for the CE. This is the more efficient solution by far for your proposed objective and will make people feel good about their previous purchases of ME1 and ME2, especially considering the limited amount of physical CE copies.

What's unfortunate is that you didn't come to this realisation on your own.

I sign to that.

[Mr.House]

Cakefish wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
The cosmetic surgery has been retconned to less major.

But the fact remains, it is definitely inferior to Ilos Protheans due to its lack of a tentacle beard.

STOP retconning things that needn't be Bioware!

Yes because oyu know, statues are always true.

[mogonk]

sea- wrote...
It was very considerate of EA to remove content from the game for marketing purposes. I feel loved and appreciated.  So loved and appreciated that I need to rush out to my nearest licensed EA distributor and pick up a shiny new copy of the Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition!

Hey guys, I've got a great idea for your next game: don't make one! Just put a box and a marketing campaign out, but keep the disc. You'll save manufacturing and production costs, and fans will be oh-so-happy that you've let the legacy of Mass Effect rest!

Brilliant!  Just provide every single area and character as DLC!  You can build your own game!

Sure, we'll have spent several hundred dollars by the time we have anything like a full release worth of content, but only whiny impoverished losers object to being milked for cash unnecessarily.

Modifié par mogonk, 23 février 2012 - 01:19 .

[rumbalumba]

garoose wrote...

So what, people who don't order the collectors edition can't be real fans? I love the series but I wasn't overly impressed with the collector's edition bonuses themselves, so I decided to save some of my hard earned money and just get the regular edition. And now you decide that since I didn't want some art book I'll look at once and a bunch of frivolous cosmetic additions, I don't get access to a fricken Prothean character?! I mean it'd be perfectly fine if it was some random guy like Zaeed, but Prothean?! Could people who preordered at least get some kind of discount on this? You claim that "real fans" buy CE, but what does that make people who preorder the regular edition, fake fans?

-garoose

hot damn.

Bioware: "oh look here. we cut off a squadmate and his/her mission from the game and guess what? you have to pay $10-$20 to play the damn thing. screw fans who can only pay us $60. we want those fans, like you, true fans who can shell out $70-$80 to experience the FULL game! You are our customers, not the $60-paying ones! you're the fans!"

[Aver88]

I bought CE and I didn't even know about additional character or outfits. I would not mind Protean being available for everyone for free.  

Modifié par Aver88, 23 février 2012 - 01:20 .

[RiouHotaru]

Spartanburger wrote...

Game: $60
From ashes DLC: $10
N7 Weapon pack: $2
Hoodie and dog: $2
Squadmate alternate appearance: $2
Soundtrack: $12
Preorder weapons: $2
Artbook: $20
5x4 Litho: $10
N7 Patch $5

Total: $125 (prices based off of confirmed prices and/or prices of previous DLC for ME2. Not all things mentioned will be for individual sale, they are priced here as an example only.)

CE which includes all that: $80

CE Pre-order cancelled doubled.

You forgot the comic book!

[PlumPaul93]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why is everyone upset? Prothey brings nothing new to the game. What, do you expect him to show up with the perfect Reaper killing weapon? If it was perfect, why didn't they use it in the first place? Would he tell us some super awesome secret about the Reapers? We're going to kill them, who cares what kind of giant underpants they wear. Prothey is literally just a fan item. You don't need him. And if his Jamacian accent proves to be real, you won't want him in the first place. Get over this "I'm entitled to everything" syndrome and just be excited to see how your Shepard fares in the last chapter. Geez...

I think most are "upset" that they're releasing a $10 DLC on launch day, when it should have been in the main game, or incentive to buy the game new like Zaeed and the Cerberus network.

[MACharlie1]

lavosslayer wrote...

I pre-ordered the CE already and I still think that the Prothean character should be available to everyone. The part I'm kinda ticked about is that the "From Dust" DLC includes something that isn't in the CE too (the alt costumes for the squad different from the CE ones) which means that those of us that shelled out the extra $$ for the CE have to pay again and buy this DLC in order to get them. They are making us pay for something twice to get everything that is available at launch...

They should make those costumes a separate DLC and sell it for less and reduce the cost of the "From Dust" DLC by $2 or so that way everyone has the option to get everything and not have to double dip...

I would think that with the CE, we get everything included with the From The Ashes DLC including costumes. Unless it was said otherwise...anyone confirm or deny this? With the CE, Ash/Kai/Veg/Liara will get two extra costumes, while Tali/Garrus/SpoilerE get one? 

[Bluumberry]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

This DLC, in a nutshell, is ME3's equivalent of Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian. Hardly a new thing, so I don't really see the issue. But whatever.

it's different. Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian are all free to download and not really that important in lore and story.  But this protheam makes me feel like cutting Zevran from Origins or Merril from Dragon Age II and asking you to pay more money.

Sebastian was not free.

He was if you bothered to preorder.

Actually I did and he was still not free.

Even so, your argument of "bothering" to pre-order doesn't fit. He'll be an accessory, nothing more. I'd you give you him from my N7 if I could, since I personally couldn't care less if he's a prothean or not.

Oh wait no I wouldn't. I would give it to someone with common sense though.

[Xellana]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why is everyone upset? Prothey brings nothing new to the game. What, do you expect him to show up with the perfect Reaper killing weapon? If it was perfect, why didn't they use it in the first place? Would he tell us some super awesome secret about the Reapers? We're going to kill them, who cares what kind of giant underpants they wear. Prothey is literally just a fan item. You don't need him. And if his Jamacian accent proves to be real, you won't want him in the first place. Get over this "I'm entitled to everything" syndrome and just be excited to see how your Shepard fares in the last chapter. Geez...

You obviously don´t care about the ME Story. And that´s totally okay with me.
What makes me really sad though is that it seems Bioware also doesn´t care about their story if they introduce a prothean that has no impact on this world whatsoever. The Hanar alone, who worship the protheans as gods, would be totally mind blown if there was actually a living prothean. It doesn´t matter if he has the perfect reaper killing weapon or if he is a totally unimportant douchebag.
He would still be extremely important to this universe.

[kelton312]

Spartanburger wrote...

Game: $60
From ashes DLC: $10
N7 Weapon pack: $2
Hoodie and dog: $2
Squadmate alternate appearance: $2
Soundtrack: $12
Preorder weapons: $2
Artbook: $20
5x4 Litho: $10
N7 Patch $5

Total: $125 (prices based off of confirmed prices and/or prices of previous DLC for ME2. Not all things mentioned will be for individual sale, they are priced here as an example only.)

CE which includes all that: $80

CE Pre-order cancelled doubled.

Or you can just buy the 60$ game (which is already overpriced) and ALL the content they made for it instead of being charged for every little thing. Lucky they put in multi-player because I would just cancel and pirate it all as with every EA game ever. Shame Bioware has to be dragged to such depths. 

[ElementL09]

HiroVoid wrote...

Just out of curiosity, how many people are out there that bought the CE that are ticked off now if they bought it for the Prothean character and now people can buy it for $10?

Didn't know about the Prothean character when buyin the CE, only got it for the artbook, comic book, n7 dlc, the dog, the lithograph, and the soundtrack and steel case (all in all, mainly the artbook).

[Janter1]

Also I don't understand why people are so amazed of new weapons/armour..
I can understand the style the other goodies, but overpowerful weapons and armour - that's pointless - game becomes too easy, no fun getting new stuff and upgrading..
bunch of ******, can't even solo bronze me3 mp I bet.

[ArkkAngel007]

HiroVoid wrote...

Just out of curiosity, how many people are out there that bought the CE that are ticked off now if they bought it for the Prothean character and now people can buy it for $10?

If you've noticed, none of the CE people are ticked off that it's available to others for a price.  However, if it was suddenly made free...nah, it wouldn't bother me too much more, though I don't think the rest of the items in the CE are worth $20 by themselves.

[1Nosphorus1]

If the Prothean sounds like that in the final version, that is god damn appalling and not worth the investment.

[Xannerz]

El Ejcovero wrote...

adawg828 wrote...
I still think that everybody complaining does not realize IT IS OPTIONAL. It will be like Zaeed and yes I know it is very important to the Mass Effect lore because of who the squadmate is but still IT IS OPTIONAL, the MAIN story will not be altered by not having him. 

New to the thread?

all my creys.

No, really. That's sad. 

[ColloquialAnachron]

Everyone else is chiming in, so why shouldn't I?

Michael Gamble wrote...


- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find ... As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.



 

Here's my problem:  The logic presented here is essentially that "fans" would be the ones buying the CE.  So who is buying the standard edition, people who mistakenly dropped 60+ dollars on something they mistook for the third version of a male enhancement pill?  Is that it? 

I really do not care if Bioware chooses to charge money for 1st Day DLC, I don't personally like it but I'm not going to boycott the game over it. 

What I do care about is that apparently, despite the fact that I've bought previous Bioware games, some CEs some not, and despite the fact that I've followed Mass Effect since the beginning, due to the fact that I was unable to pre-order the CE not due to financial restrictions (which I'm certain is a factor for other true blue fans), I'm a "buyer" and not a fan.

You can have my $10 Bioware or EA, that's fine, but let's not pretend that the vast majority of people buying ME3 just jumped on the bandwagon because they saw some CGI trailer on The Walking Dead.  Let's paraphrase Chakwas, I sincerely hope you're kidding Bioware, your "many fans" usually ends up with me asking you to patch up public relations in the infirmary...okay so that's far from clever, but it's the internet, I'm far from unique in that.

[Janter1]

= I'm not buying CE for new weapons/armour, but stuff they brings back good memories of the game:)

[El Ejcovero]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Just out of curiosity, how many people are out there that bought the CE that are ticked off now if they bought it for the Prothean character and now people can buy it for $10?

Not me. I bought CE because it was offering DLC character, mission and alternate apearance, weapons, (...). I just find it fair that character and mission should not be CE exclusive even weapon. Some people might have wanted to get the CE but didn't got it. Well... Until there is a whole bunch of N7 on the market because some people are cancelling even if they have N7.

Look, some of us don't want armor and weapons to make the game easier. But taking content out of the main game to sell as DLC or a bonus for CE is ripping off the CE buyers and those buying the DLC, because:

This is wrong.

[RiouHotaru]

El Ejcovero wrote...

adawg828 wrote...
I still think that everybody complaining does not realize IT IS OPTIONAL. It will be like Zaeed and yes I know it is very important to the Mass Effect lore because of who the squadmate is but still IT IS OPTIONAL, the MAIN story will not be altered by not having him. 

New to the thread?

Naw, don't worry, he's not.

[mogonk]

rumbalumba wrote...

Bioware: "oh look here. we cut off a squadmate and his/her mission from the game and guess what? you have to pay $10-$20 to play the damn thing. screw fans who can only pay us $60. we want those fans, like you, true fans who can shell out $70-$80 to experience the FULL game! You are our customers, not the $60-paying ones! you're the fans!"

Don't forget that if you really want EVERYTHING you're going to be paying almost $900 all told.  Now those are the fans we REALLY want.

http://www.destructo...lc-222045.phtml

Who owns Bioware again?  Was it EA or Nexxon?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Yuoaman wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Why is everyone upset? Prothey brings nothing new to the game. What, do you expect him to show up with the perfect Reaper killing weapon? If it was perfect, why didn't they use it in the first place? Would he tell us some super awesome secret about the Reapers? We're going to kill them, who cares what kind of giant underpants they wear. Prothey is literally just a fan item. You don't need him. And if his Jamacian accent proves to be real, you won't want him in the first place. Get over this "I'm entitled to everything" syndrome and just be excited to see how your Shepard fares in the last chapter. Geez...

No. We expected him to reveal some more background information on a species incredibly important to the species that plays a central role throughout the series.. And goddamn it is NOT a Jamaican accent, it's African.

What could he possibly reveal that we don't already know? Protheans existed a long time ago, they had their own "Mass Effect" stage of evolution, they tried to warn the universe about the Reapers, they failed, we thought that they were the creators of cool tech.

What, do you want to know what kind of ice cream a Prothean eats?

Again: Not seeing the big deal. Unless he comes with a giant Reaper self destruct button on her ancient butt, my Elijah Shepard doesn't need him. Neither does anyone else for that matter. When Bioware states that you MUST have the Prothean squadmate to get the best possible ending, then I'll be mad.