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[AkiKishi]

Acidrain92 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

But you just said yourself you are obssesed over it .....

Your contradicting yourself almost as badly as Bioware employees do...

hats in TF2 arent essential either, and yet people are obssessed with them O.o you are obsessed with this DLC, and yet it isnt essential.

in a sense you are contradicting yourself and just running around in circles.

All that says is hats are popular despite not being essential, no contradition there.

essential and cosmetic are not the same thing.

[Insaner Robot]

That's what it seems at the moment 800 points = $10 or £6.19.

[Nex_Legis]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

Oh, and I'm going to ask again: is it going to be priced at 800 BioWare Points?

It was in the leak.

NM I don't know what Bioware points are. But whatever they are in MS points would probably be it.

Yep. DLC usually costs the same BW points as MS points

I can live with that then, thanks for the answer.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I love how people seem to think they are entitled to something. The only person entitled to anything is Bioware - they are entitled to do exactly what the hell they like. Collectors edition owners are entitled to the DLC because they already paid for it - you want it then you pay for it too.

I like to have all the DLC for a game, especially one like Mass Effect. I don't like to feel like I am missing anything - I want the full experience of everything they have to offer. I get that now people who are getting the regular edition will feel like they are missing something too, and something like a squad member, outfits and a new gun alongside a mission is the kind of DLC that can change your whole game if you choose to keep that squad member around. I personally would be a little annoyed that to sate my compulsiveness I would feel like I would have to purchase the DLC, especially before I start the game. I would be annoyed that straight away the game would be costing me more money than I had thought. As well as this the thought "why wasn't this just included in the game" would certainly occur to me - I get where you are all coming from.

However, the content was meant to be included in the collectors edition and not in the normal - one of the main attractions of the collectors edition is the fact that it advertised a mission and team mate included in it months and months ago. Anyone who paid attention should instantly have realised that that would mean that it wasn't in the normal edition -its good that the content is even available for normal editions.

Releasing it on day one was probably a bad idea - but as soon as the general public found out how awesome the stuff is that came with the collectors edition they would have moaned at it not being made publicly available for everyone. This is why I think they decided to release it as day one DLC, they cannot release it for free - as it was always going to be one of the things the collectors edition owners were paying extra for. As much as you would be annoyed at having to spend £5-£10 whatever it is on the extra character and mission, imagine how annoying it would be to have one of the main attractions of the collectors edition which you would have paid £30 extra for become available to everyone for free because they moaned.

I agree that perhaps it should have been in the game in the first place and not paid DLC, and that maybe it was used to encourage sales of the collectors edition and to generate more money from normal edition owners. Shame on a company for trying to make money. Oh the corporate bar-stewards that they are, don't they know that its wrong to take peoples money? Money for something they clearly advertised in plain view to anyone with a brain would cost extra to own? Oh dear.

Again, I disagree with the idea behind day 1 DLC, I am against DLC being used to milk us like cash cows rather than primarily to extend the life of my games - but the thing is you see, I am going to think like that because I am the customer, and I am in it for myself with little regard to the people who made the game. Business ethics are different to everyday moral values - they are not robbing us, they are offering a product which we can choose or not choose to buy.

When I was in charge of the games department in my local HMV, was I wrong for not selling a PS2 in a bundle with a memory card, but instead kindly reminding them at the till that unless they bought one they wouldn't be able to save their games, and that would cost £15 extra thank you very much. The 2 for £20 sale we used to do contained many CD's that previously cost less than £10 each anyway, but if they wanted to purchase a single sale item it cost £11.99 - was I wrong not telling my customers they were being conned? Oh wait we were a business, trying to make money.

Sorry about the sarcasm, but I am finding the whole thing very irritating. If you don't like it, don't buy it - but don't expect them to continue making DLC if they can't get money off you. The longer they can make money from you, the longer they will continue to support their game with updates and DLC. Don't buy the new character DLC, they wont make any new character DLC.

Why choose this game to make a stand on your DLC campaign? Its the last in the trilogy, they are going to milk it - this development team may never work together again on anything to do with this franchise afterwards, and the work they have done on the previous two games is phenomenal. Who is to say that they shouldn't get paid extra? Look at half the other games out there at the top of the console charts and compare them to the amount of work behind games like ME1 and 2 - and the continued support and great content we continued to receive for years after release. Releasing something cool you were never going to get anyway unless you bought the collectors edition is hardly something to moan about. Its only the price of a couple of beers (to quote someone I read earlier - I don't drink).

As for the CD Projeckt Witcher 2 gave us free DLC ranters..they are trying to break the xbox 360 console and are going to release it with all the DLC included in order to appeal more to a new market, and to avoid moaning like this. This is the sole reason PC owners all get the stuff for free now - because the console owners are a rich new market to break. 360 owners have mostly never heard of the Witcher, so they are pulling out all the stops to impress them - mainly because consoles are where the money is at.

[Madkipz]

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

fresh101 wrote...

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
The Prothean does something, that's not really disputable. Sure you can argue how important it is, but thats it. By it not being there your game will be different.

Cosmetic stuff is purely in the eye of the beholder it has no function. Sure If I wear an Armani people will treat me differently, but it's functionally the same as an off the peg suit.

And you know this Prothean does something how? You have played the game already? Read the leak script?

So far, from myself not doing either I don't see how Prothean boy (if he is a boy, yes he may sound male, but do we really know about Prothean gender) brings nothing but an extra gun (pew pew) and XP lots and lots of that wonderful XP. No super space ship to fight reapers, no reset button, just an other new grunt.
That seems pretty cosmetic to me.

yes I have read the leak script, and it is clear from it that prothean was part of the main game, he can't be consider just another character (asari, krogan, salarian, hanar), if you have played first 2 games you would know that.

oh, and by the way I am very sad that we won't have a krogan squadmate, but hey, he will probably go out as DLC later for only 19,99 $

Do you think I would be there if I hadn't played both ME1&2, I said so in my post. I HAVE.
I played ME1 on my PC and ME2 on my PS3, I know the plot I know the story, and I know the prothean, cut from game or not doesn't add anything essential. ME is about Shep, she/he is the important one, the protheans fought and lost their war and that was all covered in ME1, that was the twist ending, that was the big reveal. The idea that the Protheans are impotent now is just fan lust. You want it to be important so you're making it be important. Wants don't make things real. I have wanted a thermal nuclear warhead since I was 14, doesn't mean it's ever going to happen tho.
BioWare has good writers, and I will trust them to be good until they have given me reason to think otherwise, and so if they say he was cut because he took the focus off the player as the hero I’ll go with that. Or would you rather be the bass player than lead singer?

so you would be okay with all the characters being dlc and only shepard being playable?

[AyatoSilvermane]

I love how people seem to think they are entitled to something. The only person entitled to anything is Bioware - they are entitled to do exactly what the hell they like. Collectors edition owners are entitled to the DLC because they already paid for it - you want it then you pay for it too.

True enough, but how would you feel if a pizza parlor offered an extra topping on a pizza free on walkin and without notice changed that so you only get the extra topping on two slices and are expected to pay 1/6 of the price of the whole pizza inorder to get it on the rest.

That is sorta what this is like, walk in being like buying new, the extra top ping being the free day one DLC like Zaaed, the change to having it on only two slices being like getting multiplayer as the bonus instead of the free day one DLC which doesn't mean much to somebody who doesn't give two turds about multiplayer on any game let along Mass Effect and the 1/6 price point which is pretty self explanitory

Then again, if Multiplayer is the only thing cut from ME3 used I could just buy ME3 at a substancial discount used as a result and get the same content for the 10 bucks everybody else is paying for it new and still pay less then everybody else is paying for the game alone. That way I'm not getting ripped off and Bioware still gets something from me.

Modifié par AyatoSilvermane, 26 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[Gruzmog]

Modifié par Gruzmog, 26 février 2012 - 04:13 .

[Dragoonlordz]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

Casey Hudson ‏ @CaseyDHudson

For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in #ME3, not DLC. That is after all the focus of the story.

"Ah yes, DLC, the auxillary content added to a complete game.  We have dismissed those claims."

 

You have no idea how much I hate the damn  turian... So much the me being a full Paragon  grinned when the DA blow up. Shame though I actually liked the Asari and Salarain.

I wonder how people will feel after they cancelled their pre-order , only to wake up and see Mr.C twitter.

Their own fault, Jessica @ Bioware already told them context and exposition was implied being in main game even if the character is not part of your squad/team. The context and exposition of clearing up prothean history and role.

They known for days this is just the second time been told. It's a bit like Legion in one sense. You might learn some extra information but main point is him hanging around rather than sliced and diced, one liners and few conversations direct from him. It's like a bit of "extra" exposition by having him along but the main points of role they played and such will be cleared up in the game.

Also like I said earlier they are not entitled to it, especially not free. If they wish to make their own games and distribute them how they wish no-one is stopping them. They are free to buy or not buy something in the meantime.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[MrCrabby]

If I cannot get a collectors edition then I am going to pass on this title, as I feel like I am getting an incomplete game otherwise.

[GOGGYMONSTAH]

Shame on you Bioware, you're sinking more rapidly than TORTANIC, ah who am I kidding, just shut up and take my money!

[ArkkAngel007]

Madkipz wrote...

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

fresh101 wrote...

TheDragonOfWhi wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
The Prothean does something, that's not really disputable. Sure you can argue how important it is, but thats it. By it not being there your game will be different.

Cosmetic stuff is purely in the eye of the beholder it has no function. Sure If I wear an Armani people will treat me differently, but it's functionally the same as an off the peg suit.

And you know this Prothean does something how? You have played the game already? Read the leak script?

So far, from myself not doing either I don't see how Prothean boy (if he is a boy, yes he may sound male, but do we really know about Prothean gender) brings nothing but an extra gun (pew pew) and XP lots and lots of that wonderful XP. No super space ship to fight reapers, no reset button, just an other new grunt.
That seems pretty cosmetic to me.

yes I have read the leak script, and it is clear from it that prothean was part of the main game, he can't be consider just another character (asari, krogan, salarian, hanar), if you have played first 2 games you would know that.

oh, and by the way I am very sad that we won't have a krogan squadmate, but hey, he will probably go out as DLC later for only 19,99 $

Do you think I would be there if I hadn't played both ME1&2, I said so in my post. I HAVE.
I played ME1 on my PC and ME2 on my PS3, I know the plot I know the story, and I know the prothean, cut from game or not doesn't add anything essential. ME is about Shep, she/he is the important one, the protheans fought and lost their war and that was all covered in ME1, that was the twist ending, that was the big reveal. The idea that the Protheans are impotent now is just fan lust. You want it to be important so you're making it be important. Wants don't make things real. I have wanted a thermal nuclear warhead since I was 14, doesn't mean it's ever going to happen tho.
BioWare has good writers, and I will trust them to be good until they have given me reason to think otherwise, and so if they say he was cut because he took the focus off the player as the hero I’ll go with that. Or would you rather be the bass player than lead singer?

so you would be okay with all the characters being dlc and only shepard being playable?

Except all the characters in your squad in ME3 are vital to the progression of ME3.

I think at this point, the problem is that people don't agree with how the Prothean was written into ME3.  And to that: Get over it.  I could easily throw the same fit at Liara/VS being sidelined in ME2 and the ME2 squad getting sidelined in ME3 (though all with significatnt roles still).  But that's just a waste of my tank of rage fuel, because that's not my part of the story to determine.  I determine (mostly) what Shepard does, what happens to some of my squad, and sway the events of the galaxy.  That's it.  The actual writting of the game is BioWare's field.

Because that's all that I keep hearing now.  What was once an argument on how the DLC is handled has mostly turned into "Why U No Make Prothy Improtant BioWare?" fits.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but that argument just seems silly.  You are just missing at having him as a squadmate and experiencing the same lore you get in the actual game, just in a different way.

And of course, even though it's not in the script, Jessica hinted during her Reddit AMA that he's in the main game, just you don't the contents of the DLC.  Whether I believe her or not, that's my personal opinion.  BioWare PR has made hints to throw us off track in the past.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 26 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Dragoonlordz]

MrCrabby wrote...

If I cannot get a collectors edition then I am going to pass on this title, as I feel like I am getting an incomplete game otherwise.

CE costs $20 more in USA, SE plus this content costs $10. Why would you want to spend $20 if your only interested in the $10 extra alternative. If you want a CE that bad then buy the DDE (no limt on stock) which has more content ingame wise than CE and costs less.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 04:25 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

MrCrabby wrote...

If I cannot get a collectors edition then I am going to pass on this title, as I feel like I am getting an incomplete game otherwise.

CE costs $20 more in USA, SE plus this content costs $10. Why would you want to spend $20 if your only interested in the $10 extra alternative. If you want a CE that bad then buy the DDE (no limt on stock) which has more content ingame wise than CE and costs less.

But the math...it's so hard...

He may also be referring to the Fenris mech, alt. skins, and N7 weapons, though I doubt it.

[digby69]

good to see the whiners are still at it.

[kingsims]

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them being overcharged for the same product.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

Modifié par kingsims, 26 février 2012 - 04:46 .

[oto]

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

[Kithrus]

digby69 wrote...

good to see the whiners are still at it.

Glad to see the white knights are on full time too.

kingsims wrote...

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them getting screwed over badly.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

Because of you picture i heard Samara talking.

Can I get your oath as a Justicar to this cause

Modifié par Kithrus, 26 février 2012 - 04:42 .

[Montana]

K1LL STREAK wrote...
...
When I was in charge of the games department in my local HMV, was I
wrong for not selling a PS2 in a bundle with a memory card, but instead
kindly reminding them at the till that unless they bought one they
wouldn't be able to save their games, and that would cost £15 extra
thank you very much. The 2 for £20 sale we used to do contained many
CD's that previously cost less than £10 each anyway, but if they wanted
to purchase a single sale item it cost £11.99 - was I wrong not telling
my customers they were being conned? Oh wait we were a business, trying
to make money.
....

I've worked retail as well, and stuff like this happens every day.
Cheap lunch! (Beverage not included)
New Car! (Power windows not included)
New apartement! (Parking spot not included)

This stuff has been going on for ages, I'm amazed that ppl seem to think that this is something new.

[BTCentral]

Nex_Legis wrote...

So how much is it going to be? 800 BWP?

Apparently it's going to be sold via Origin, so it's going to be $9.99.

No idea if they are going to sell it for BWP too, but if they do, yes, 800 BWP.

[Gatt9]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

Casey Hudson ‏ @CaseyDHudson

For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in #ME3, not DLC. That is after all the focus of the story.

"Ah yes, DLC, the auxillary content added to a complete game.  We have dismissed those claims."

 

You have no idea how much I hate the damn  turian... So much the me being a full Paragon  grinned when the DA blow up. Shame though I actually liked the Asari and Salarain.

I wonder how people will feel after they cancelled their pre-order , only to wake up and see Mr.C twitter.

Their own fault, Jessica @ Bioware already told them context and exposition was implied being in main game even if the character is not part of your squad/team. The context and exposition of clearing up prothean history and role.

They known for days this is just the second time been told. It's a bit like Legion in one sense. You might learn some extra information but main point is him hanging around rather than sliced and diced, one liners and few conversations direct from him. It's like a bit of "extra" exposition by having him along but the main points of role they played and such will be cleared up in the game.

Also like I said earlier they are not entitled to it, especially not free. If they wish to make their own games and distribute them how they wish no-one is stopping them. They are free to buy or not buy something in the meantime.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to take the word of a group of people who have been less than honest over the last few months.  I'm having a hard time with the idea that they included a Prothean,  but he doesn't have any impact on the resolution of the Protheans.

[Dragoonlordz]

kingsims wrote...

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them getting screwed over badly.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

Too many factors not taking into account, taxes, economics from region to region and more. They don't have people plucking numbers from thin air in a room when deciding how much to charge they do put some thought into it first. 

If price offends a large amount then import a different regions system and games, it would work out cheaper. Thats what has always been done in the past by others. £60 for a CE is not expensive at all. A lot of CE's costs £80-120 dependant on if comes with statue or figurines normally but in general this CE is cheap in comparrison. An alternative is waiting till price drops on SE versions. But the CE price is fair for UK at least. When thinking about it in other regions you have to take local economics into account and a countries tax laws and such.

[Tar-Minastir]

Just going to put this out there.  Nobody should be supporting this model of dlc and segmented content unless you work for Bioware/EA or own stock in their companies.

If you believe this dlc has been implemented poorly and is a slap in the face to consumers, you should not support it.

If you are one of those ppl who are of the "I can afford it so I don't care" mentality, you stand to only gain if policies like these are removed ergo you should not support it.

If you are one of the CE'er, again, you would only stand to gain if this type of policy was done away with b/c you would get this dlc free and be entitled to something extra later on top of what you already have ergo you should not support it.

If you believe that encouraging pirating, used sales, etc is bad, you should not support it.

etc etc

Everyone will readily admit that Bioware/EA are only trying to make money.  Most people accept this as being a completely legitimate goal in business.  I personally think that it is fine.  Companies are driven by the prophet motive and try to gain the greatest return on as minimal investment as possible.

At the same time, it is the consumers job to ensure the opposite to the best of their abilities.  We should try to get the most of a product for the least amount of monetary investment.  This is the same mentality as the companies employ and yet it is looked down upon and disparaged.  In fact. the video game community actively fights to pay more money. How does that make sense?

Even if you think that Bioware/EA are completely in the right, it would be better for you just to stay quiet and wait too see what comes of this entire affair.  That's why I don't understand the ppl who try and defend this dlc.  Personally, I don't like it and will wait until after release to see what it is all about then decide whether to buy.  The main reason I speak out against it is that I see it as hurting the industry b/c it encourages negative consumer feelings and thereby increases used purchases, pirating, etc.

Modifié par Tar-Minastir, 26 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[BTCentral]

kingsims wrote...

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them getting screwed over badly.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

I wish it was only £20 more in the UK. It's £27 ($42.50) more for PC, or £30 ($47.22) more for PS3/360.

Or in total, $94.40 for PC, and $110.17 (US Dollars, that is) for console, with current exchange rates.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[Kithrus]

BTCentral wrote...

kingsims wrote...

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them getting screwed over badly.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

I wish it was only £20 more in the UK. It's £27 ($42.50) more for PC, or £30 ($47.22) more for PS3/360.

Or in total, $94.40 for PC, and $110.17 (US Dollars, that is) for console, with current exchange rates.

Do be fair though money changers request an transition free for currancy so I'm not sure how that works for game companies. They maybe taking a hit  don't know.

Just a guess correct me if I'm wrong however if that is the case the prices do seem way to much.

[Dragoonlordz]

Gatt9 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

Casey Hudson ‏ @CaseyDHudson

For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in #ME3, not DLC. That is after all the focus of the story.

"Ah yes, DLC, the auxillary content added to a complete game.  We have dismissed those claims."

 

You have no idea how much I hate the damn  turian... So much the me being a full Paragon  grinned when the DA blow up. Shame though I actually liked the Asari and Salarain.

I wonder how people will feel after they cancelled their pre-order , only to wake up and see Mr.C twitter.

Their own fault, Jessica @ Bioware already told them context and exposition was implied being in main game even if the character is not part of your squad/team. The context and exposition of clearing up prothean history and role.

They known for days this is just the second time been told. It's a bit like Legion in one sense. You might learn some extra information but main point is him hanging around rather than sliced and diced, one liners and few conversations direct from him. It's like a bit of "extra" exposition by having him along but the main points of role they played and such will be cleared up in the game.

Also like I said earlier they are not entitled to it, especially not free. If they wish to make their own games and distribute them how they wish no-one is stopping them. They are free to buy or not buy something in the meantime.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm not willing to take the word of a group of people who have been less than honest over the last few months.  I'm having a hard time with the idea that they included a Prothean,  but he doesn't have any impact on the resolution of the Protheans.

Then sorry but your out of luck. If they tell you it will not and you put fingers in ears replaying the trololo song over and over in head then there is nothing left to talk about. If you don't trust them and anything they say will result in you calling them liars then given that lack of trust you either wait to find out reality of what provide on product release before making assumptions or if really, really don't trust why are you still here. Seems to me causing yourself more grief (self harm emotionally), than is needed much like if you was beaten in a bad relationship just walk away if thats how you feel about them.