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[BTCentral]

Kithrus wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

I wish it was only £20 more in the UK. It's £27 ($42.50) more for PC, or £30 ($47.22) more for PS3/360.

Or in total, $94.40 for PC, and $110.17 (US Dollars, that is) for console, with current exchange rates.

Do be fair though money changers request an transition free for currancy so I'm not sure how that works for game companies. They maybe taking a hit  don't know.

Just a guess correct me if I'm wrong however if that is the case the prices do seem way to much.

That's just the exchange rate, without any exchange fees.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[kingsims]

Really i don't blame Gatt9 for not trusting EA or Bioware after this came up on the news.

kotaku.com/5780870/ever-wonder-why-dragon-age-ii-came-out-so-soon

http://kotaku.com/57...for-himself-too

Bioware is a GOOD game developer they just don't seem to understand how to handle the community or public relations well.

Modifié par kingsims, 26 février 2012 - 05:06 .

[BaronIveagh]

Kithrus wrote...

Glad to see the white knights are on full time too.

I rather think of them as Ring Wraiths myself.  Once proud gamers corrupted and bent to the will of thier master.

kingsims wrote...

The collectors edition costs 20 Euros more in europe and 20 Pounds more in the UK how is that fair? Also Oceania pays $129 AUD for the collectors edition so (1 AUD = 1 USD) so talk about them getting screwed over badly.

Everyone outside America is getting screwed over badly on top of this day 1 DLC nonsense. And you wonder why people are angry?

Oceania has always been that way for software.  The offical excuse is that piracy is soo bad in those regions they have to charge tons more.  And it has NOTHING to do with lax consumer protection laws at all.  Personally, I think that's a cart before the horse sort of argument.

They're going to charge whatever the market will support.  if Europe and other regions wouldstop buying at those prices, they'ed have to lower them.  But again, the problem arises of the DNGAF party that really doesn't care what they do to themselves or others as long as they get thier fix.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Still going strong, still going in circles! Onto 500 pages!

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If price offends a large amount then import a different regions system and games, it would work out cheaper. Thats what has always been done in the past by others. £60 for a CE is not expensive at all. A lot of CE's costs £80-120 dependant on if comes with statue or figurines normally but in general this CE is cheap in comparrison. An alternative is waiting till price drops on SE versions. But the CE price is fair for UK at least. When thinking about it in other regions you have to take local economics into account and a countries tax laws and such.

DL, you're overlooking the obvious: they're charging what they think the market will support.  If the market wouldn't support these numbers, the companies would have to charge less or not sell thier products.  And, on that earlier post, still shilling for Origin I see.  Ever occur to you that the extremely limited number of CEs was to try and drive people to Origin?

[AlanC9]

Acidrain92 wrote...
Still. 10 dollar DLC? thats less than...3 single issue comics. Thats like 2 lunch breaks. Thats two 5 dollar foot longs.

Two beers is my preferred comparison. Less than two if you're tipping and drinking decent stuff.

[BTCentral]

kingsims wrote...

Really i don't blame Gatt9 for not trusting EA or Bioware after this came up on the news.

http://kotaku.com/57...for-himself-too

Bioware is a GOOD game developer they just don't seem to understand how to handle the community or public relations well.

One employee of a company acting in that way does not mean everyone else does.

kingsims wrote...

kotaku.com/5780870/ever-wonder-why-dragon-age-ii-came-out-so-soon

As for DA2 being rushed, yes, I am sure it was. Very little QA appeared to have been done before release too.

However, ME3 is being created by a completely different team of developers within BioWare, and I would not be surprised if they had a considerably bigger budget too.

Having said that DA2 was much cheaper (the Signature Edition) than the CE of ME3. In fact, when they started offering the Sig Ed for free in the first place, alarm bells started ringing. However, I still think it is worth the price I paid for it (£24.93 - currently the equivalent of around $39 - ME3 CE is over 2.4 times that price here).

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 février 2012 - 05:14 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Damn. Looks like I missed out on all the fun.
#OccupyBioware.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If price offends a large amount then import a different regions system and games, it would work out cheaper. Thats what has always been done in the past by others. £60 for a CE is not expensive at all. A lot of CE's costs £80-120 dependant on if comes with statue or figurines normally but in general this CE is cheap in comparrison. An alternative is waiting till price drops on SE versions. But the CE price is fair for UK at least. When thinking about it in other regions you have to take local economics into account and a countries tax laws and such.

DL, you're overlooking the obvious: they're charging what they think the market will support.  If the market wouldn't support these numbers, the companies would have to charge less or not sell thier products.  And, on that earlier post, still shilling for Origin I see.  Ever occur to you that the extremely limited number of CEs was to try and drive people to Origin?

From a business stand point there is nothing wrong about doing so. They don't have to offer a CE in first place, none at all or instead of both allowing CE and DE to be put out to the public for sale. They released a CE to bring in money to begin with, if your okay with CE's which are based on the same principle then it is immature to then turn around and complain about DE's. 

I will say that there is an element of accuracy about price aspect you mentioned but you have to take the economics into account too rather than making broad brush stroke statements. If every company was charging £30 for a product and everyone was happy paying that amount, why would a business charge £20? In my business we keep track of how much the compeition charges and every year we update our prices to react to theirs. When reaches certain point and economics changes for example rescession we may lower our prices slightly to increase sales (primary purpose of doing so). They have made record sales preorders for ME3 compared to past titles, that primary purpose reaction to drop in demand just mentioned, does not yet exist.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 05:19 .

[ArkkAngel007]

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Not completely accurate, but that's what happens when you resort to a black and white mentality.

I thought this was poorly handled.  This should have been told to consumers 2-3 months ago, even if they didn't have the actual assets of the DLC prepared for public viewing.  Just letting consumers know ahead that they would be wanting to pay another $10 on the same day as launch would have avoided at least some of this.  But no.  They tried burying the existance of the character when it first leaked out, and then Microsoft leaked out the information at the 2 week mark.  We also haven't been given a straight up answer whether or not the character is in the main game, just vague hints from what has been an unreliable PR department in the past.  He isn't in the script in a way that would designate him as being in the main game, and as the script has been as accurate to the letter, including the new IGN footage, I have doubts.  I know many of you who oppose this at the very least share this concern.

Yet, while a good number of the opposition such as myself disagree with the handling of the DLC, most people are just upset about not having a Prothean squad member.  They don't care if he's important or not (many of them are upset that he isn't), they just want the Prothean, arguing that he is essential only on the basis that they believe that he should be essential.  There are also the one's in the opposition who refuse to take any criticism and correct flaws in their arguments, and, while I'm not going to be as...direct...as DL mentioned, won't even take in the facts given by the devs, even if they are still being cagey about the details we want to know.

So while there are a few people defending it with the "Bought CE, don't care" explanation and such, many who are against the DLC are just acting like spoiled brats too.

Edit: I realize I didn't express everyone's argument, including all of mine, against this content or for "defending" this content, I'm just pointing out if your going to call out one side's ****, be prepared to acknowledge the **** at your end too.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 26 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[RiouHotaru]

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Except that:

1) Bioware's business model makes sense (He wasn't cut from the game on purpose; only exists at all because he's DLC; not relevant to the plot, just nostalgia and filler)

2) Everyone feels that a) the fact it's day-1 is meaningful (it's really not, even if he was released later, it wouldn't have mattered, they still started working on him post-core game) and that his status as a Prothean MUST make him vital to the advancement of the plot, despite confirmation otherwise.

[fropas]

[quote]BaronIveagh wrote...

[quote]Kithrus wrote...

Glad to see the white knights are on full time too. [/quote]

I rather think of them as Ring Wraiths myself.  Once proud gamers corrupted and bent to the will of thier master.

[quote]kingsims wrote...

[/quote]

Shut it Hobbit biiiiiiiiiiiatch .

Sauron is our salvation through destruction .

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

From a business stand point there is nothing wrong about doing so. They don't have to offer a CE in first place, none at all or instead of both allowing CE and DE to be put out to the public for sale. They released a CE to bring in money to begin with, if your okay with CE's which are based on the same principle then it is immature to then turn around and complain about DE's. 

This isn't the thread to rehash our 'forcing origin on people to play the games they buy' argument. 

However, again, missing the obvious: people don't see things from a corporation's standpoint, they see if from a person's standpoint. 


And, frankly, that's the only point of view that matters, because people are the ones that spend money on those corporations.  Fortunetly for corporations, people are generally greedy, stupid, and ignorant, so it tends to work out in thier favor.  After all, all those iphone and ipad users DNGAF about the fact thier phones and pads are produced in slave labor camps.  They don't care that the money is used to prop up brutal regiems in Africa so that the corporations can buy raw materials cheaper. 

I'm sorry, but for the benefit of the rest of humanity, that level of DNGAF should be grounds for being burned at the stake.  I'm sure they'ed GAF then.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

AyatoSilvermane wrote...

I love how people seem to think they are entitled to something. The only person entitled to anything is Bioware - they are entitled to do exactly what the hell they like. Collectors edition owners are entitled to the DLC because they already paid for it - you want it then you pay for it too.

True enough, but how would you feel if a pizza parlor offered an extra topping on a pizza free on walkin and without notice changed that so you only get the extra topping on two slices and are expected to pay 1/6 of the price of the whole pizza inorder to get it on the rest.

That is sorta what this is like, walk in being like buying new, the extra top ping being the free day one DLC like Zaaed, the change to having it on only two slices being like getting multiplayer as the bonus instead of the free day one DLC which doesn't mean much to somebody who doesn't give two turds about multiplayer on any game let along Mass Effect and the 1/6 price point which is pretty self explanitory

Then again, if Multiplayer is the only thing cut from ME3 used I could just buy ME3 at a substancial discount used as a result and get the same content for the 10 bucks everybody else is paying for it new and still pay less then everybody else is paying for the game alone. That way I'm not getting ripped off and Bioware still gets something from me.

I never said I was happy with it either - Its been badly handled. It would have been better as the free zaeed style content rather than the multiplayer, or it should have been left as a CE exclusive, perhaps releasing it later in the year. This way at least it would have avoided most of the bad publicity. Or they could have announced from the beginning that the character from the collectors edition would be available for a price at launch. They could have had it included in the collectors edition like a season pass where when the content was released later on, say in june it would be downloaded for free, whilst everyone else would have to pay. Its easy to talk about this in hindsight, they made a mistake - I was merely addressing everyone's misplaced sense of entitlement.

If the Pizza shop suddenly gave me two slices and charged me extra for the same topping I was used to, I would go somewhere else..unless the pizza there was still so much better than everywhere else and I felt the price wasnt actually that bad. Its more like going into a diner and noticing that they charge 10p for sachets of tomato sauce - or 20p for the toilets, its peanuts and not really a problem - but still WRONG. To demand it for free though, would also be wrong, even if you would have a fair point. Especially when those who bought the extra big burger had sauce on their plates and are all sitting on porta pottys..

[zr0iq]

$10 for a DLC? A DLC that was developed by the ME3 team during the development phase of ME3?

You could say that something like this should be part of the game. Honestly, that is ripping off people.
If the DLC has 8-10 hours of playtime, I might agree on that price, but seriously, it should have been a part of the main game to begin with.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Good on Bioware for adding a Prothean squadmate. Thanks.

[oto]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Not completely accurate, but that's what happens when you resort to a black and white mentality.

I thought this was poorly handled.  This should have been told to consumers 2-3 months ago, even if they didn't have the actual assets of the DLC prepared for public viewing.  Just letting consumers know ahead that they would be wanting to pay another $10 on the same day as launch would have avoided at least some of this.  But no.  They tried burying the existance of the character when it first leaked out, and then Microsoft leaked out the information at the 2 week mark.  We also haven't been given a straight up answer whether or not the character is in the main game, just vague hints from what has been an unreliable PR department in the past.  He isn't in the script in a way that would designate him as being in the main game, and as the script has been as accurate to the letter, including the new IGN footage, I have doubts.

Yet, while a good number of the opposition such as myself disagree with the handling of the DLC, most people are just upset about not having a Prothean squad member.  They don't care if he's important or not (many of them are upset that he isn't), they just want the Prothean, arguing that he is essential only on the basis that they believe that he should be essential.  There are also the one's in the opposition who refuse to take any criticism and correct flaws in their arguments, and, while I'm not going to be as...direct...as DL mentioned, won't even take in the facts given by the devs, even if they are still being cagey about the details we want to know.

So while there are a few people defending it with the "Bought CE, don't care" explanation and such, many who are against the DLC are just acting like spoiled brats too.

Edit: I realize I didn't express everyone's argument, including all of mine, against this content or for "defending" this content, I'm just pointing out if your going to call out one side's ****, be prepared to acknowledge the **** at your end too.

I didnt call anyone anything... iI just stated how thigs are in this thread.

And soon eaware will regrat upseting "spoiled brats" (as you call them) when they will reap the fruits of this ****storm.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If every company was charging £30 for a product and everyone was happy paying that amount, why would a business charge £20?

A very good reason to do that would be to undercut the competition, as people would be even happier to pay less, meaning you would get more buisness then your competitiors.


Which is the other reason most buisnesses watch thier competitions prices closely.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 05:26 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

All this whining is falling to deaf ears. Can we go back to talking about the DLC?

[oto]

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Except that:

1) Bioware's business model makes sense (He wasn't cut from the game on purpose; only exists at all because he's DLC; not relevant to the plot, just nostalgia and filler)

2) Everyone feels that a) the fact it's day-1 is meaningful (it's really not, even if he was released later, it wouldn't have mattered, they still started working on him post-core game) and that his status as a Prothean MUST make him vital to the advancement of the plot, despite confirmation otherwise.

1. We will see about that.

2. Nothing has been confirmed.

[fropas]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

I never said I was happy with it either - Its been badly handled. It would have been better as the free zaeed style content rather than the multiplayer, or it should have been left as a CE exclusive, perhaps releasing it later in the year. This way at least it would have avoided most of the bad publicity. Or they could have announced from the beginning that the character from the collectors edition would be available for a price at launch. They could have had it included in the collectors edition like a season pass where when the content was released later on, say in june it would be downloaded for free, whilst everyone else would have to pay. Its easy to talk about this in hindsight, they made a mistake - I was merely addressing everyone's misplaced sense of entitlement.

If the Pizza shop suddenly gave me two slices and charged me extra for the same topping I was used to, I would go somewhere else..unless the pizza there was still so much better than everywhere else and I felt the price wasnt actually that bad. Its more like going into a diner and noticing that they charge 10p for sachets of tomato sauce - or 20p for the toilets, its peanuts and not really a problem - but still WRONG. To demand it for free though, would also be wrong, even if you would have a fair point. Especially when those who bought the extra big burger had sauce on their plates and are all sitting on porta pottys..

It seems, to me at least, They're only releasing it as day-one DLC because they want to make more money. If they released it months later I think a lot less people would buy it. But that's just my opinion. I have no problem with BW/EA making money off me--They're saints compared to Capcom in my eyes.

[MissOuJ]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Can we go back to talking about the DLC?

I think the drama is going to keep going on for a while still. Your best bet would probably be the Javik support thread if you wanna talk about the DLC...

[_symphony]

K1LL STREAK wrote...
[...] or it should have been left as a CE exclusive [...]

You're sure you're not trying to put out a fire with fuel?

Modifié par _symphony, 26 février 2012 - 05:32 .

[WeWant]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Not completely accurate, but that's what happens when you resort to a black and white mentality.

I thought this was poorly handled.  This should have been told to consumers 2-3 months ago, even if they didn't have the actual assets of the DLC prepared for public viewing.  Just letting consumers know ahead that they would be wanting to pay another $10 on the same day as launch would have avoided at least some of this.  But no.  They tried burying the existance of the character when it first leaked out, and then Microsoft leaked out the information at the 2 week mark.  We also haven't been given a straight up answer whether or not the character is in the main game, just vague hints from what has been an unreliable PR department in the past.  He isn't in the script in a way that would designate him as being in the main game, and as the script has been as accurate to the letter, including the new IGN footage, I have doubts.  I know many of you who oppose this at the very least share this concern.

Yet, while a good number of the opposition such as myself disagree with the handling of the DLC, most people are just upset about not having a Prothean squad member.  They don't care if he's important or not (many of them are upset that he isn't), they just want the Prothean, arguing that he is essential only on the basis that they believe that he should be essential.  There are also the one's in the opposition who refuse to take any criticism and correct flaws in their arguments, and, while I'm not going to be as...direct...as DL mentioned, won't even take in the facts given by the devs, even if they are still being cagey about the details we want to know.

So while there are a few people defending it with the "Bought CE, don't care" explanation and such, many who are against the DLC are just acting like spoiled brats too.

Edit: I realize I didn't express everyone's argument, including all of mine, against this content or for "defending" this content, I'm just pointing out if your going to call out one side's ****, be prepared to acknowledge the **** at your end too.

- The content of the CE leaked more than 2-3 month ago, And The Prothean was part of the leak.

- What difference would have made if they told us 2 months ago? I don't think it would make it more acceptable.
"Hey guys, we're making content with the budget of the main game but we are gonna charge you for it."

-Basically, you want to be spoiled? Then read the leaked script. I want to see if he's in the main game by myself.

[RiouHotaru]

oto wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Except that:

1) Bioware's business model makes sense (He wasn't cut from the game on purpose; only exists at all because he's DLC; not relevant to the plot, just nostalgia and filler)

2) Everyone feels that a) the fact it's day-1 is meaningful (it's really not, even if he was released later, it wouldn't have mattered, they still started working on him post-core game) and that his status as a Prothean MUST make him vital to the advancement of the plot, despite confirmation otherwise.

1. We will see about that.

2. Nothing has been confirmed.

Go check Casey Hudson's Twitter.  He outright states:

"The Prothean character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story.  ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans."

and even better?

"For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in ME3, not DLC.  This is after all the focus of the story."

It doesn't get more final than that.