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[RiouHotaru]

DaJe wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Except that:

1) Bioware's business model makes sense (He wasn't cut from the game on purpose; only exists at all because he's DLC; not relevant to the plot, just nostalgia and filler)

2) Everyone feels that a) the fact it's day-1 is meaningful (it's really not, even if he was released later, it wouldn't have mattered, they still started working on him post-core game) and that his status as a Prothean MUST make him vital to the advancement of the plot, despite confirmation otherwise.

*facepalm* Nostalgia and filler? With that argumentation you could cut Tali, Garrus and Liara from the game. Two of them will certainly not be essential, since they can be dead in ME3 form the start.

Where do you draw the line? What is essential what isn't?
Hey lets remove that gun and that armor, and that character and that one and that one and that mission and those weapons...

It is almost fascinating how blind so many gamers are to what is happening. Until it is too late and the businessmodel collapses on it self because games are lifless overstreamlined chunks that only serve as basis for mircrotransactions, that only a few hardcore fans waste all their money on. Games with potential will suffer under that development. Many already have.

There should be a simple rule to avoid all this nonsense. What is finished on launch, is in the game. bam. Then you can make additions, things that are without a doubt extra content.

And yes, the inflation of money should be reflected better in the full price of games, while DLC should not be overpriced in relation.

Trying to use the slippery slope of "Well if X isn't important then why should Y be important either!" and so-on and so-forth is silly.  There's no indication of that.  And yes, the Prothean is nostalgia.  Again, multiple confirmations of him NOT being important to the game's plot.

[Cosmar]

for $10, this DLC and character better be the best ever.

The only thing I don't like is that since the Prothean is optional, it's obvious he and the DLC will not have much if any impact on the story. But the Protheans are so important to the setting and to the Reaper problem that a Prothean squadmate *ought* to be a huge freaking deal and a treasure trove of important valuable information, not just a gimmick...

A meaningless DLC character should be someone like some random Batarian or Hanar or something, not someone who should be important but isn't...

Modifié par Cosmar, 26 février 2012 - 05:53 .

[Moodath]

All I see here...

Extreme Angry Douche: This is BS, i'm going to boycott EA! Cya later, i'm gonna go play BF3.

Bioware Can Do No Wrong Douche: TEH BIOWARE IS GAWDZ, THEY SAY, I DO, U STUPID.

Rational Persons: I can either pay 10 dollars and play an inevitably below average piece of DLC, or not pay 10 dollars and experience the same story without a horribly voiced character. Makes sense...

Me: I now realize I have nothing better to do than post on forums like these... I wonder how many pills I can swallow in the next 90 seconds?

[ArkkAngel007]

DaJe wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Except that:

1) Bioware's business model makes sense (He wasn't cut from the game on purpose; only exists at all because he's DLC; not relevant to the plot, just nostalgia and filler)

2) Everyone feels that a) the fact it's day-1 is meaningful (it's really not, even if he was released later, it wouldn't have mattered, they still started working on him post-core game) and that his status as a Prothean MUST make him vital to the advancement of the plot, despite confirmation otherwise.

*facepalm* Nostalgia and filler? With that argumentation you could cut Tali, Garrus and Liara from the game. Two of them will certainly not be essential, since they can be dead in ME3 form the start.

Where do you draw the line? What is essential what isn't?
Hey lets remove that gun and that armor, and that character and that one and that one and that mission and those weapons...

It is almost fascinating how blind so many gamers are to what is happening. Until it is too late and the businessmodel collapses on it self because games are lifless overstreamlined chunks that only serve as basis for mircrotransactions, that only a few hardcore fans waste all their money on. Games with potential will suffer under that development. Many already have.

There should be a simple rule to avoid all this nonsense. What is finished on launch, is in the game. bam. Then you can make additions, things that are without a doubt extra content.

And yes, the inflation of money should be reflected better in the full price of games, while DLC should not be overpriced in relation.

Except those characters are vital to the plot progression of ME3.  Even if two of them died, they still had the potential to be, and that was your choice as a player for them not to be.

Javrik is not important to the game, no matter how you spin it, as far as the DLC is concerned.  If he is in the actual game (which I still doubt), then he is important in his role in the game, and that's it.  His role in the DLC and being a squad member is neglible to ME3 proper.

That's the difference most don't seem to want to admit, that they are uplifting this character due to (reasonable) expectations.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

[tez19]

Bioware have turned into complete money grabbers. It is quite embarrassing, DLC with little dolls, DLC with art book, day 1 DLC, which lets face it, is HUGE for the Mass Effect universe and lore being a prothean and all. Bioware are a disgusting outfit now, one that i will never purchase a product from again after ME3. Bioware in STEEP decline.

[oto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

oto wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

oto wrote...

I didnt call anyone anything... iI just stated how thigs are in this thread.

And soon eaware will regrat upseting "spoiled brats" (as you call them) when they will reap the fruits of this ****storm.

Not going to happen. More people are buying their game than those who are stopping buying. If put a ratio on it the ones boycotting to new ones buying will make the boycott ones like like a spec of dust. You have to understand for a company there will always be a billion or more people who are not buying their products spread out all over the world, the ones throwing hands up in air and making threats will just fade into that billion number. All a business cares about if that more people buy each year than leave and that is exactly what is happening with ME3. More people are buying the game in comparison to ME1 and ME2 than those who are shouting and screaming making threats about leaving.

This is simple though not very pretty version of event regarding ME3 currently. As long as the big arrow is going their way why would they regret you. Your not that important even as a group, your tiny in number (smaller than the arrow that they care most about as a business).

That chart isextremely inaccurate. Only time will show.

You can't call it inaccurate unless have a more accurate one to counter. You can call it assumption based on limited evidence for example VGC and more but you cannot say it is inaccurate when have no evidence to prove otherwise.

I dont need any charts to see that thats not how busineses work. You are forgetting many variables. That chart is just a picture with words on it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Moodath wrote...

All I see here...

Extreme Angry Douche: This is BS, i'm going to boycott EA! Cya later, i'm gonna go play BF3.

Bioware Can Do No Wrong Douche: TEH BIOWARE IS GAWDZ, THEY SAY, I DO, U STUPID.

Rational Persons: I can either pay 10 dollars and play an inevitably below average piece of DLC, or not pay 10 dollars and experience the same story without a horribly voiced character. Makes sense...

Me: I now realize I have nothing better to do than post on forums like these... I wonder how many pills I can swallow in the next 90 seconds?

Make sure its the red ones.  Enough blue ones will leave you here forever.

You are talking about the Matrix, right?  Right??? 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 26 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[nitefyre410]

Moodath wrote...

All I see here...

Extreme Angry Douche: This is BS, i'm going to boycott EA! Cya later, i'm gonna go play BF3.

Bioware Can Do No Wrong Douche: TEH BIOWARE IS GAWDZ, THEY SAY, I DO, U STUPID.

Rational Persons: I can either pay 10 dollars and play an inevitably below average piece of DLC, or not pay 10 dollars and experience the same story without a horribly voiced character and instead get a delicous Chipotle burrito. Makes sense...

Me: I now realize I have nothing better to do than post on forums like these... I wonder how many pills I can swallow in the next 90 seconds?

 

Fixed that for ya because  thats  is what that 10 bucks is going to.. delicous burrito with Tabascco Chipotle hot sauce.

[oto]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You can't call it inaccurate unless have a more accurate one to counter. You can call it assumption based on limited evidence for example VGC and more but you cannot say it is inaccurate when have no evidence to prove otherwise.

VGC is notoriously inaccurate.  I think it was more telling that they offered (breifly, as it prooved a bit TOO popular) Battlefield 3 for free if you bought ME3.

It should also be pointed out that while the Xbox version is doing staggeringly well, the other two editions trail most other preorders atm significantly.  This is partially due to the upcomming release of Diablo III on PC.


Personally I think the sales of the game on a single platform doing better then twice the total sales of it on both other platforms it's offer one combined smells to me.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 05:59 .

[fropas]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Group 2 confuses me.

Like I said in another post (and in more detail), if you do not work at bioware/EA or own stock, you have no reason to support them in this controversy. 

A company aims to get the greatest return on the smallest possible investment.  This is perfactly reasonable.  We, as consumers, attempt the reverse.  We want the greatest amount/quality of product for the least cost.  Again, this is perfectly acceptable. Finding the balance is the job of the market.

Thus, no one who plans on buying the game should defend this position b/c they stand to gain either directly through a change in the dlc (not likely) or through different policies in future game releases.

In short, if you are a consumer, don't defend bioware/ea or this dlc model.  You have nothing to gain through championing the cause of someone who is actively trying to take your money for the least effort. 

Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

[GamerrangerX]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

Edit by Chris Priestly - Sorry folks, the screenshots & video Mike had mentioned will not be available this week as Mike had hoped. We'll update you when they are available.


 

DAM!!I WANT MY MASS EFFECT 3 COLLECTOR EDITION NOW!!!

[Tar-Minastir]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Trying to use the slippery slope of "Well if X isn't important then why should Y be important either!" and so-on and so-forth is silly.  There's no indication of that.  And yes, the Prothean is nostalgia.  Again, multiple confirmations of him NOT being important to the game's plot.

Slippery slopes can be reaonable arguments when you have a precedent.  We've seen the progression the games industry and the precedent is there.  How many times have consumers let bad practices become standard and progress to worse practices?

I am hoping the prothean is not important, but I cannot imagine how that will be possible.  How do you have a prothean and make him unimportant?

If he can be made into a katsumi/zaeed most people will be content, but until the game comes out I won't know for sure. I am sure there are plenty of people like me who went from pre-ordering/being a day 1 sale to delaying their purchase in order to see how this all plays out and that is bad for bioware/EA.

[Moodath]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Moodath wrote...

All I see here...

Extreme Angry Douche: This is BS, i'm going to boycott EA! Cya later, i'm gonna go play BF3.

Bioware Can Do No Wrong Douche: TEH BIOWARE IS GAWDZ, THEY SAY, I DO, U STUPID.

Rational Persons: I can either pay 10 dollars and play an inevitably below average piece of DLC, or not pay 10 dollars and experience the same story without a horribly voiced character and instead get a delicous Chipotle burrito. Makes sense...

Me: I now realize I have nothing better to do than post on forums like these... I wonder how many pills I can swallow in the next 90 seconds?

 

Fixed that for ya because  thats  is what that 10 bucks is going to.. delicous burrito with Tabascco Chipotle hot sauce.

Dear, sweet lord of Andromeda...that sounds delicious ._. 

[ArkkAngel007]

tez19 wrote...

Bioware have turned into complete money grabbers. It is quite embarrassing, DLC with little dolls, DLC with art book, day 1 DLC, which lets face it, is HUGE for the Mass Effect universe and lore being a prothean and all. Bioware are a disgusting outfit now, one that i will never purchase a product from again after ME3. Bioware in STEEP decline.

You do know that the DLC with the toys, art book, and I think another item is a weapon and items you can obtain in the retail game, right?  It's just if you have trouble unlocking them, you can get it faster this way.  If you already have it, you can level it up.

And the lore you get is in the retail.  Javrik just shows you a more personal perspective in that mission.  If it's to be believed that he is in the campaign in the main game afterall, then you get him being the important figure that many are demanding him to be.

While I can be against how they handled this situation, I'm not going to fault them for providing options to their fans.

[Candidate 88766]

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

[Dragoonlordz]

oto wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

oto wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

oto wrote...

I didnt call anyone anything... iI just stated how thigs are in this thread.

And soon eaware will regrat upseting "spoiled brats" (as you call them) when they will reap the fruits of this ****storm.

Not going to happen. More people are buying their game than those who are stopping buying. If put a ratio on it the ones boycotting to new ones buying will make the boycott ones like like a spec of dust. You have to understand for a company there will always be a billion or more people who are not buying their products spread out all over the world, the ones throwing hands up in air and making threats will just fade into that billion number. All a business cares about if that more people buy each year than leave and that is exactly what is happening with ME3. More people are buying the game in comparison to ME1 and ME2 than those who are shouting and screaming making threats about leaving.

This is simple though not very pretty version of event regarding ME3 currently. As long as the big arrow is going their way why would they regret you. Your not that important even as a group, your tiny in number (smaller than the arrow that they care most about as a business).

That chart isextremely inaccurate. Only time will show.

You can't call it inaccurate unless have a more accurate one to counter. You can call it assumption based on limited evidence for example VGC and more but you cannot say it is inaccurate when have no evidence to prove otherwise.

I dont need any charts to see that thats not how busineses work. You are forgetting many variables. That chart is just a picture with words on it.

I know how business works as I play a major part in deciding direction from my current business. I also said the chart is a very simple version of how business works. Probably the most simple can get, as long as gain more customers from potential customers compared to losing (each and every year) then thats what matters the most. It means your business continues to grow and more money each year flooding in. If you think that is not a simple form of how business works then you have not got a clue.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[nitefyre410]

Moodath wrote...

*snip*

Dear, sweet lord of Andromeda...that sounds delicious ._. 

 

Oh it is  my friend it  is... hand on last night but  this  one March  6th may be the  best one yet..

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

Oh well I simply assumed since you claim his importance to the game to be a fact, which the only way that you would know that is a FACT for sure is to actually play the game, haha my baaaaad!

I didn't realize reading things on the internet that random people say makes things a fact. 

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You can't call it inaccurate unless have a more accurate one to counter. You can call it assumption based on limited evidence for example VGC and more but you cannot say it is inaccurate when have no evidence to prove otherwise.

VGC is notoriously inaccurate.  I think it was more telling that they offered (breifly, as it prooved a bit TOO popular) Battlefield 3 for free if you bought ME3.

It should also be pointed out that while the Xbox version is doing staggeringly well, the other two editions trail most other preorders atm significantly.  This is partially due to the upcomming release of Diablo III on PC.

I laughed when they had to cut off that promotion.  I guess it is true that you can have too much of a good thing.

And wow, I forgot about Diablo III...wish I could pick that up too.

[Canned Bullets]

Okay, so we all agree that Bioware and EA are greedy pricks. So what are we going to do to stop a multi-billion dollar corporation and its' lapdog from doing this? By now I thought Bioware would have made this free because of the outrage from the fans but they are't DICE. So **** Bioware.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 26 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[Lufven1]

fropas wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

oto wrote...

As it has been stated before, this thread is about:

1.Lots of people upset about Bioware's shady business model

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Group 2 confuses me.

Like I said in another post (and in more detail), if you do not work at bioware/EA or own stock, you have no reason to support them in this controversy. 

A company aims to get the greatest return on the smallest possible investment.  This is perfactly reasonable.  We, as consumers, attempt the reverse.  We want the greatest amount/quality of product for the least cost.  Again, this is perfectly acceptable. Finding the balance is the job of the market.

Thus, no one who plans on buying the game should defend this position b/c they stand to gain either directly through a change in the dlc (not likely) or through different policies in future game releases.

In short, if you are a consumer, don't defend bioware/ea or this dlc model.  You have nothing to gain through championing the cause of someone who is actively trying to take your money for the least effort. 

Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

Wait a minute. So how is this similar to ME2?

[Dragoonlordz]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Okay, so we all agree that Bioware and EA are greedy pricks. So what are we going to do to stop a multi-billion dollar corporation and its' lapdog from doing this? By now I thought Bioware would have made this free but they are't DICE. So **** Bioware.

No more greedy than you for demanding it free, content they spent their time and effort into creating regardless of when produce it or what that content is.

[Moodath]

nitefyre410 wrote...


Oh it is  my friend it  is... hand on last night but  this  one March  6th may be the  best one yet..

This next shot of tequila is to the deliciousness that awaits you on the 6th. Cheers, good sir!