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[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Okay, so we all agree that Bioware and EA are greedy pricks. So what are we going to do to stop a multi-billion dollar corporation and its' lapdog from doing this? By now I thought Bioware would have made this free because of the outrage from the fans but they are't DICE. So **** Bioware.

what are we going to do to stop them huh?......

nooooothing? is that the correct answer? 

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 06:02 .

[Tar-Minastir]

fropas wrote...
Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

You missed the point.  Even if you think bioware/EA are right.  You gain nothing by defending them.  Just sit back and wait.  You may even gain somthing in the end.

Imagine you are in line to buy something at the store.  The person in front of you is buying the same thing.  They are haggleing for a lower price.  Do you jump in and say "hey buddy you better pay full price for that!"  No, even if you think it is worth full price, you sit back and wait b/c if the guy in front of you gets a lower price there is a good chance you will too.  That's called being an intelligent consumer.

If you really love bioware/EA send them a check.

[nitefyre410]

Moodath wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


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This next shot of tequila is to the deliciousness that awaits you on the 6th. Cheers, good sir!

 

Why  thank  you sir.  Heres to good food, good booze and good times.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 février 2012 - 06:05 .

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I know how business works as I play a major part in deciding direction from my current business. I also said the chart is a very simple version of how business works. Probably the most simple can get, as long as gain more customers from potential customers compared to losing (each and every year) then thats what matters the most. It means your business continues to grow and more money each year flooding in. If you think that is not a simple form of how business works then you have not got a clue.

The problem with that is there's a limit, as there is a finite amount of customers, and they might not come back to your company for every single thing you offer. 

This is the problem that the PC edition of ME is having right now.  It's up against Diablo III in preorders. 

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

fropas wrote...
Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

You missed the point.  Even if you think bioware/EA are right.  You gain nothing by defending them.  Just sit back and wait.  You may even gain somthing in the end.

Imagine you are in line to buy something at the store.  The person in front of you is buying the same thing.  They are haggleing for a lower price.  Do you jump in and say "hey buddy you better pay full price for that!"  No, even if you think it is worth full price, you sit back and wait b/c if the guy in front of you gets a lower price there is a good chance you will too.  That's called being an intelligent consumer.

If you really love bioware/EA send them a check.

You can make the same arugument for yourself, your not going to gain anything for crying on the forums.  If you think protesting on the forums is going to get the price of this DLC lowered or even free you are foolish.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[Evilelf007]

Love how the vocal minority hears itself resonate into believing they are large in number when they aren't.

[nightcobra]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...


that's mostly how it is in these types of heated discussion, some are always ruder than they should be on both sides.

one poster told me about the gotham impostors DLC multiplayer cosmetic items and how they handled it:
basically there are 200$ worth of cosmetic items that can be also unlocked in-game, the more you play the more you can get. i like that sort of approach if i'm totally honest, early access to unlockable content for people who want to experience it either for time constraints in their lives or because they want to experience it in their first playthrough.

so that got me thinking if that could work on day 1 DLC as well, like after beating ME3 on insanity mode (so the player feels like they earned the content) and the DLC code to download the content appears after the credits (this could be coded  so that it only appears when you get the "insanity run" trophy/achievement (these can be earned offline so it wouldn't be necessary to be online at the time) and it would only appear once per copy so as to not be abused by used copies.

there are bound to be people that don't agree with me on this matter but i'd like to see the feedback to the idea at least.

Maybe since I'm not a major multiplayer person for both regular retail and MMO games, as I don't have the time to endlessly grind XP and the money to keep paying for new maps and gear to keep up with everyone, but I'm wary with the microtransaction system.  Sure, it's great now, with all the hats and and stuff like that, but when will that turn to getting superior weapons and perks that throw off the balance, thus forcing people to pay if they want to avoid just wasting their time against overwhelming forces from the monetarily endowed.

I know that I won't be downloading the DLC right away if I can avoid it.  I'm doing a single playthrough with the complete experience, and then I'll add in the extra content.  I do this for two reasons.  First, I always try to play the retail experience first to see what the developers intended for me to see the first time around.  Second, when I play through again with the DLC, I get to see if I really missed out on anything the first time around.  If I did, then I can question on why I missed that content in the game.  But if I didn't miss out on anything that the retail doesn't offer in full, then the DLC is just what it is intended to be, auxiiary content.

I do like that after the credit idea though.  That's pretty clever.  That or the code will unlock in the extras menu or something after viewing the credits.

thanks for the kind words

though i can see why you would be worried by the chance of breaking balance, thankfully ME3 doesn't include a competitive multiplayer so at least when breaking the balance it's never in the player's disadvantage no matter who it is, however i'd like those DLC to be restricted to skins, armors and xp packs to get more xp than normal for a while for those without enough time to play, as for single player i'd go with the idea i posted, then again that's just how i feel about it. 

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

double post

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 06:05 .

[oto]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

[Thargorichiban]

Just in case it hasn't been posted in this thread yet:



I'm happy that it can keep game developers working for longer and actually be paid more.

[Canned Bullets]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Okay, so we all agree that Bioware and EA are greedy pricks. So what are we going to do to stop a multi-billion dollar corporation and its' lapdog from doing this? By now I thought Bioware would have made this free because of the outrage from the fans but they are't DICE. So **** Bioware.

what are we going to do to stop them huh?......

nooooothing? is that the correct answer? 

Well, you kind of have a point. Bioware could care less about the community and EA could care less if it means more meny in its' wallet. The reason I said "Bioware isn't DICE" is because DICE actually listened to the community when it came to the controversy about the Physical Warfare pack. 

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I know how business works as I play a major part in deciding direction from my current business. I also said the chart is a very simple version of how business works. Probably the most simple can get, as long as gain more customers from potential customers compared to losing (each and every year) then thats what matters the most. It means your business continues to grow and more money each year flooding in. If you think that is not a simple form of how business works then you have not got a clue.

The problem with that is there's a limit, as there is a finite amount of customers, and they might not come back to your company for every single thing you offer. 

This is the problem that the PC edition of ME is having right now.  It's up against Diablo III in preorders. 

I happen to be also looking forward to that game and will be picking up both.

There is not a finite amount of customers though, population increase is seeing to that and developing countries gaining access to more modern technology. Unless the Reapers do invade or world is hit be a genophage the population increase and spread of technology ensures that customers will never be finite.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[RiouHotaru]

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

If you're talking about the August script leak, I'll point out AGAIN, that's evidence of nothing.  Scripts change you realize.

[tez19]

Money grabbing mugs. DA2 was a terrible game and had loads of day 1 DLC crap, Now ME3 has it all too but now they are having DLC as much more important content to the game. Next Bioware game will have day 1 DLC of the introduction of the game and story, if you don't buy the DLC you start playing half way through the game. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Soooo that proves that the prothean is an essential part of the game huh?

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 26 février 2012 - 06:08 .

[Tar-Minastir]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

fropas wrote...
Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

You missed the point.  Even if you think bioware/EA are right.  You gain nothing by defending them.  Just sit back and wait.  You may even gain somthing in the end.

Imagine you are in line to buy something at the store.  The person in front of you is buying the same thing.  They are haggleing for a lower price.  Do you jump in and say "hey buddy you better pay full price for that!"  No, even if you think it is worth full price, you sit back and wait b/c if the guy in front of you gets a lower price there is a good chance you will too.  That's called being an intelligent consumer.

If you really love bioware/EA send them a check.

You can make the same arugument for yourself, your not going to gain anything for crying on the forums.  If you think protesting on the forums is going to get the price of this DLC lowered or even free you a foolish.

I don't pay for the forums.  I'm discussing this topic b/c it is here and I am ill w/ nothing to do.  Also, the simple fact that this dicussion is taking place has a small (very small) chance of conveying to bioware/ea that many ppl see this as a bad thing.  You gain nothing from defending.

Again, if you love bioware/ea send them a check don't encourage increases in pricing or any other practice the increases the money we pay for the game.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

Okay, so we all agree that Bioware and EA are greedy pricks. So what are we going to do to stop a multi-billion dollar corporation and its' lapdog from doing this? By now I thought Bioware would have made this free but they are't DICE. So **** Bioware.

No more greedy than you for demanding it free, content they spent their time and effort into creating regardless of when produce it or what that content is.

Not to mention the DICE situation was different.  That content was always free, just limited to certain venues where people placed pre-orders (I think it was GameStop and GAME, right?).  It also was multiplayer weapons that could have potentially unbalanced the game in certain modes and maps (Such as Rush on Metro).  

This is DLC that BioWare marketing had to negotiate sale value with BioWare corporate, EA, Microsoft, and Sony.  All four of these businesses are expecting a profit from this.  Now that fans are upset, whether with sound reasons or otherwise, BioWare is in a tough spot.  They can't just say, "Sorry, our bad.  We'll release the content free and compensate CE owners with...."  Instead, they have to negotiate with all these parties to make that decision, and EA is really the one to make the final call anyways.

[WeWant]

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

[oto]

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

If you're talking about the August script leak, I'll point out AGAIN, that's evidence of nothing.  Scripts change you realize.

I am not talking about august script. I am talking about their statement claiming that there was no prothean in game.

[BaronIveagh]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote..
nooooothing? is that the correct answer?

I'll leave the sitting on your butt and doing nothing to the DGAF quirky miniboss squad. 

I've already cancelled my pre order of all EA products that I was going to buy, and my TOR subscription, signed the various petitions, wrote a letter of protest to EA, a letter asking for tougher laws against this to my congressman, and donated my rather substantial paycheck this week to a politcal lobby opposed to many of EA's current buisness practices. 

[Tar-Minastir]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hasn't been posted in this thread yet:



I'm happy that it can keep game developers working for longer and actually be paid more.

Here's respnse to that:


This chart has been making the rounds and is being used by fanbois to lazily justify Bioware and EA's position. This is fairly typical, easily influenced people with weak positions tend to flock around things that look scientific. It doesn't mean it's right. To address some specific points.

The production team would lose their jobs! - Bull****, this is Bioware, the game has no risk of failure what-so-ever and will generate x-bajillion dollars. If Bioware-Mythic can dodge a ton of layoffs as a result of Old Republic (the most expensive game Bioware and EA have ever made and not a guaranteed hit), I'm pretty sure they can keep their jobs with Mass Effect 3, a much cheaper game guaranteed to be a success. Not only that but, IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. If EA is laying people off like that, shouldn't we be criticising EA for discarding it's employees so readily? Bioware is an incredibly successful studio, you are seriously suggesting they are only days away from losing their jobs if they don't monetise Mass Effect even more than it already is? (already one of the most monetised standard games EA has ever released, if not THE most). Big devs are not charity cases and we shouldn't be expected to pay $70 to get a feature complete game. 

Multiplayer replaces Zaeed! - Bull****. Multiplayer has been feature complete for months. The demo build we saw a few weeks back is older code supposedly, Bioware claimed 2 months old. Multiplayer WAS NOT developed in the cycle the Prothean and presumably Zaeed content was supposedly developed in. Multiplayer is a case of a fairly major component of the game being sliced off and used to discourage used sales. It is not an incentive, it is not extra content developed just before launch, it is a dishonest comparison.
It may seem like price gouging, it isn't! - Then pray tell explain why the vast majority of companies don't actually do it. If this was a development reality, we'd be seeing every major publisher and developer doing just this, yet they don't. Day-1 DLC is a reality for only a small minority of these groups, not to mention that more often than not that DLC is mostly cosmetic or very easy to create (weapon packs etc). There are actually very few instances of Day 1 DLC and even less of this importance to the story and die-hard fans. Only Deus Ex has done this recently and there are rumours that Gamestop actually FUNDED that development as a pre-order exclusive, so at least you can semi-understand why it is there. It is incredibly dishonest to suggest that this is a development reality rather than price gouging. If this were true it would be common practice and it most certainly is not.

I say, hold the line. Do not be swayed by the arguments of fanbois and white-knights. Brands have encouraged zealous loyality bordering on fanaticism for years. What better way to get away with murder than have their own consumers whipped into a frenzy to defend their actions and undermine any effort for unified consumer action? Our basic rights as consumers are slowly being eroded by these actions and it has to stop. We as consumers will support and reward reasonable development and business practices, but we will not accept exploitation. The axium remains
"If it's done before release date, it should come with the game". 

I don't agree w/ all of that, but it does convey why it is a bad representation of what is going on.

[Canned Bullets]

Bioware should push more to negotiate with EA for free day one DLC. And yes this is just fan exploitation, anyone who played ME1 would know how important the Protheans are. It's like making Cortana DLC, sure she didn't save the Galaxy from the Flood but she was still important to the damn storyline and not having her in the game would have pissed off the Halo fans with only spoiled 9 year olds buying it.

[AlanC9]

oto wrote...

Go check Casey Hudson's Twitter.  He outright states:

"The Prothean character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story.  ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans."

and even better?

"For the many who asked, plot arcs of the Protheans and other races are resolved in ME3, not DLC.  This is after all the focus of the story."

It doesn't get more final than that.

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. 

 In ME3. Not in the DLC, in ME3.

That just confirms what Casey said.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 février 2012 - 06:12 .

[nitefyre410]

BaronIveagh wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote..
nooooothing? is that the correct answer?

I'll leave the sitting on your butt and doing nothing to the DGAF quirky miniboss squad. 

I've already cancelled my pre order of all EA products that I was going to buy, and my TOR subscription, signed the various petitions, wrote a letter of protest to EA, a letter asking for tougher laws against this to my congressman, and donated my rather substantial paycheck this week to a politcal lobby opposed to many of EA's current buisness practices. 

 

well got damn...

[tez19]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

YES YES YES
couldn't of said it better myself. Bioware are a disgusting outfit in many gamer's eyes now, this is just the most recent thing in a long line of money grabs by Bioware.

BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.