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[ArkkAngel007]

Except the script has been down to the letter in what we've been shown thus far and more.  Plus, since VO work was already done when the demo was released to us, and I retrieved the information again in the proper demo release, there was no real difference.  Thus, the original August leak still stands as being what they used for the retail game.


You can't just deny reliable evidence because you want your opinion to be correct.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 26 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[AlanC9]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Um, What exactly do you base this on?  Preorders were half what EA expected.

Could you source that? The actual numbers seem quite good -- what sort of ridiculous expectations did EA have?

[oto]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Soooo that proves that the prothean is an essential part of the game huh?

I am sorry but you dont have an ability to understand my post.

[savaged49]

You know what actually annoys me? Not the day 1 dlc not at all and you know why?
We have know about it since day 1, it was announced along with the collectors edition, additional character and mission. Did everything think that he would be free in the main game if he was a selling point for the CE?

Either he would remain exclusive to the CE or would be maid DLC down the line, this way everyone has access to him day one and no since he isnt on disc he shouldn't be free. Would it be nice if he was part of the core game, hell yeah, but he mearly adds to it the game was built without him in it.

Am I going to use him in my squad oh heck yeah, Its why i got the CE wanted him and all that extra stuff as soon as i heard about it all.

So thats my 2 cents

[AlanC9]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

Jews? Am I seeing that?

I almost don't want to report him. Live prothean, hell -- this is a reappearance of something I thought extinct.

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


Except the script has been down to the letter in what we've been shown thus far and more.  Plus, since VO work was already done when the demo was released to us, and I retrieved the information again in the proper demo release, there was no real difference.  Thus, the original August leak still stands as being what they used for the retail game.


You can't just deny reliable evidence because you want your opinion to be correct.

 

I never believed they would  change it that much from the start after the leak..

They releasd that statement and I said:

Yeah Aight

[Dragoonlordz]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

As CDPR has the right to do as they wish with the products they have created so do EA. Free will is a good thing, if don't like the product on offer then don't buy it, quite simple. Gaming is a hobby not an oxygen supply.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I happen to be also looking forward to that game and will be picking up both.

There is not a finite amount of customers though, population increase is seeing to that and developing countries gaining access to more modern technology. Unless the Reapers do invade or world is hit be a genophage the population increase and spread of technology ensures that customers will never be finite.

While the developing nation angle is interesting, 1st world nations are actually starting to see population decline.(Most notibly Europe and Japan  Russia is actually offering people money to have kids, as the mortality rate is currently double the birth rate)  China is also seeing (deliberate) population decline.

So, again, don't assume the market can expand infinetly

[AlanC9]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Bioware should push more to negotiate with EA for free day one DLC. And yes this is just fan exploitation, anyone who played ME1 would know how important the Protheans are. It's like making Cortana DLC, sure she didn't save the Galaxy from the Flood but she was still important to the damn storyline and not having her in the game would have pissed off the Halo fans with only spoiled 9 year olds buying it.

Didn't play Halo. Who's Cortana?

[Prom001]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

i cant even...

no just no.

[Chewin]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

Now now, no need and go stating the obvious.



Though I don't get that Jews part...

Modifié par Chewin3, 26 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[JediHealerCosmin]

WeWant wrote...

EAWare = Jews

Dafuq did I just read?

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 26 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

fropas wrote...
Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

You missed the point.  Even if you think bioware/EA are right.  You gain nothing by defending them.  Just sit back and wait.  You may even gain somthing in the end.

Imagine you are in line to buy something at the store.  The person in front of you is buying the same thing.  They are haggleing for a lower price.  Do you jump in and say "hey buddy you better pay full price for that!"  No, even if you think it is worth full price, you sit back and wait b/c if the guy in front of you gets a lower price there is a good chance you will too.  That's called being an intelligent consumer.

If you really love bioware/EA send them a check.

You can make the same arugument for yourself, your not going to gain anything for crying on the forums.  If you think protesting on the forums is going to get the price of this DLC lowered or even free you a foolish.

I don't pay for the forums.  I'm discussing this topic b/c it is here and I am ill w/ nothing to do.  Also, the simple fact that this dicussion is taking place has a small (very small) chance of conveying to bioware/ea that many ppl see this as a bad thing.  You gain nothing from defending.

Again, if you love bioware/ea send them a check don't encourage increases in pricing or any other practice the increases the money we pay for the game.

Hm, I dont remember explicitly encourging Bioware's price of this DLC. What I think I said is basically this... it's 10 dollars, it's not going to change from now till release, get over it.  Thats basically the jist.

[ArkkAngel007]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Just in case it hasn't been posted in this thread yet:



I'm happy that it can keep game developers working for longer and actually be paid more.

There is a lot more overlap then that, and it would have been better if you chose one that didn't have the DLC as the focus (it really isn't an objective example), that's not a horrible example.  

The testing, analyzing, and even pre-production should be overlapped with the main production, with arrows to show that it works as a constant feedback loop.

However, it gets the point across well enough (minus the obvious reason it was made...I suppose no one believes in subtlety these days).

[BTCentral]

BaronIveagh wrote...

VGC is notoriously inaccurate.

As I already pointed out.

BaronIveagh wrote...

It should also be pointed out that while the Xbox version is doing staggeringly well, the other two editions trail most other preorders atm significantly. [...] Personally I think the sales of the game on a single platform doing better then twice the total sales of it on both other platforms it's offer one combined smells to me.

What are you basing that on? VGChartz? Because if so, pot calling the kettle black there, don't you think?

And again...

BTCentral wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

[...] Preorders were half what EA expected.

Do you have proof of that? I haven't ever seen EA publicly state what they expected pre-orders to be, but I could have just missed it.

Also, what are you basing pre-order figures on? Because if it's VGChartz this was discussed the other day, they have a history of being inaccurate, do not take digital sales into account and are US only.

I'd also like to point out, in the UK both PC and 360 versions of ME3 CE were removed from retailers websites on the same day, having exhausted their pre-order allocations.

So unless the retailers ordered a lower stock of the PC version in the first place, that suggests it did pretty well here.

The PS3 version of ME3 CE is still on sale even now in the UK, which suggests that sales have fallen short there however.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 février 2012 - 06:20 .

[BaronIveagh]

AlanC9 wrote...
Could you source that? The actual numbers seem quite good -- what sort of ridiculous expectations did EA have?

I admit, I'm having a hard time finding where I read this now, but it was something like 500m units per platform.  While Xbox has surpassed this, PS3 and PC are falling short.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Could you source that? The actual numbers seem quite good -- what sort of ridiculous expectations did EA have?

I admit, I'm having a hard time finding where I read this now, but it was something like 500m units per platform.  While Xbox has surpassed this, PS3 and PC are falling short.

I am sure you just made mistake, 500m? Specifically the "m" part. 

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Soooo that proves that the prothean is an essential part of the game huh?

I am sorry but you dont have an ability to understand my post.

Na, I think I understand clearly what "I heard hes a huge part of ME3" and "The company has been lying" means.  You just have absolutely no solid facts that any of this is true, though you claim you do, a script written in august is not a fact either.

So again, the only way you would know for sure these things are facts is if you played the game.

[Tar-Minastir]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Tar-Minastir wrote...

fropas wrote...
Well that's your opinion.

I have no problem with What BW/EA is doing because they are putting in ALL the effort and this is not the first time they've done this. I supported this business model in ME2 and I support it now whether or not I have a financial interest isn't important to me. I'm not going to stay silent while people bash a business that makes the games I like.
 
Sorry you're entitled to share your opinion but that doesn't mean you get to tell me what I should or shouldn't do .

You missed the point.  Even if you think bioware/EA are right.  You gain nothing by defending them.  Just sit back and wait.  You may even gain somthing in the end.

Imagine you are in line to buy something at the store.  The person in front of you is buying the same thing.  They are haggleing for a lower price.  Do you jump in and say "hey buddy you better pay full price for that!"  No, even if you think it is worth full price, you sit back and wait b/c if the guy in front of you gets a lower price there is a good chance you will too.  That's called being an intelligent consumer.

If you really love bioware/EA send them a check.

You can make the same arugument for yourself, your not going to gain anything for crying on the forums.  If you think protesting on the forums is going to get the price of this DLC lowered or even free you a foolish.

I don't pay for the forums.  I'm discussing this topic b/c it is here and I am ill w/ nothing to do.  Also, the simple fact that this dicussion is taking place has a small (very small) chance of conveying to bioware/ea that many ppl see this as a bad thing.  You gain nothing from defending.

Again, if you love bioware/ea send them a check don't encourage increases in pricing or any other practice the increases the money we pay for the game.

Hm, I dont remember explicitly encourging Bioware's price of this DLC. What I think I said is basically this... it's 10 dollars, it's not going to change from now till release, get over it.  Thats basically the jist.

So you can state the obvious?  My post was designed to get ppl who are defending this decision by bioware/ea to question their personal motives.  Do I think anything will change?  Not today, but if ppl become more inteligent consumers that hold developers and publishers to a higher standard, then yes it will change in the future.

[RiouHotaru]

WeWant wrote...

The Witcher 2 = Half budget of ME3, and will probably get half the sales of ME3.

Meanwhile, CDP Red adds 4 hours of additional gameplay and tons of content for...free. Because theiy want to improve their creation.
The Prothean DLC will probably last 1-2 hours for 10 "extra" $.

Is EAware free to charge anything for their product? Yep.
Do they look like greedy douchbags? Yep.

CDP = Like a Boss
EAWare = Jews

Dear Biodrones, you are the worst.

Except CDP is a much, much smaller company, without investors and shareholders breathing down their necks.

But you're welcome to your opinion.

[Dragoonlordz]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

So you can state the obvious?  My post was designed to get ppl who are defending this decision by bioware/ea to question their personal motives.  Do I think anything will change?  Not today, but if ppl become more inteligent consumers that hold developers and publishers to a higher standard, then yes it will change in the future.

And your post was full of

I counted at least two times where mention it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

There is a lot more overlap then that, and it would have been better if you chose one that didn't have the DLC as the focus (it really isn't an objective example), that's not a horrible example.  

The testing, analyzing, and even pre-production should be overlapped with the main production, with arrows to show that it works as a constant feedback loop.

However, it gets the point across well enough (minus the obvious reason it was made...I suppose no one believes in subtlety these days).

The other problem is that it doesn't match Bioware and EA's actual human resource managment system.  EA uses a system where people are constantly moveing from one project to another, so that part where everyone is laid off wouldn't happen.

[RiouHotaru]

oto wrote...

I am not talking about august script. I am talking about their statement claiming that there was no prothean in game.

And what statement is that?

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I am sure you just made mistake, 500m? Specifically the "m" part. 

ACK typo strikes, that should be K.

[Dragoonlordz]

RiouHotaru wrote...

oto wrote...

I am not talking about august script. I am talking about their statement claiming that there was no prothean in game.

And what statement is that?

I would like to know this too.