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[Evilelf007]

Can everyone please edit their quotes down to the one quote you're responding to?

[BaronIveagh]

Dovahzaan wrote...
And that's why we shouldn't blame EA for this situation. It was BioWare's decision to work for EA.
If you willingly work for the devil, you're just as bad as him.

No, not always.  Soemtimes you're just desperate and don't see another way out.  Though in this case the increase in personal riches was more the deciding factor.

[MakeMineMako]

tez19 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Bioware in steep decline. They really should thank their biodrones as they are doing a good job fighting their corner even though they are delusional. Bioware you are going to see SIGNIFICANT losses after the Mass Effect trilogy has ended. Bioware in STEEP decline.

Mind showing me the charts, graphs, sales figures, and quarterly earnings to back this up? Or is this just another case of blowing off steam on the internet?

You want me to source you sale figures and quarterly earnings from the future? Bioware are in STEEP decline and with the changes they are making to the ME series that fans do not want they will rightly so see out the trilogy and then abandon EAware. And who the **** is going to buy the next DA game? And the old republic will fail. Bioware you are going to get what you deserve. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

No. I want evidence from the here and now.

If they are in steep decline (as in 'they are in trouble') as you say, then they should be hurting financially right now. Which may indicate troubling future trends for that part of EA's holdings.

If not, I don't see the nerd rage from a DLC pack, costing ten bucks, being a corporate killer for Bioware or EA. Oh, they will lose some customers over this craziness, but it will blow over and life will go on. And Bioware will, in all likelyhood, still be alive and kicking.

[Candidate 88766]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
They have NEVER said that the Prothean would be a part of the main game. His lines being present in the demo indicate only that they recorded his lines at the same time as eveyrone else - a reasonable thing to do. Many of Kasumi's lines were recorded before ME2.

THis?  Again?  *sigh*

What I said is true though - we were never promised a Prothean in the main game. One of the earlier scripts indicated that it would play a large part, but that is not the Prothean we are getting. The Prothean, as it stands now, was never intended to be a part of the main game. I don't get the idea that people think Bioware 'lied' to them.

[oto]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

I heard that he has pretty huge part in ME3. And why should i believe to company representative that has been lying alot latly.

No he hasn't.

Deny as much as you want. Facts are there.

So how was ME3? How many stars would you give it?

Its obvious to me that you have already played it since you claim to know facts about the story that would prove the devs straight up lied to us.

I never said that i played MS3. Learn to read and then reply.

You still haven't actually provided any of these facts that prove Casey has been "lying a lot lately"...

Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

And, as I will say again, you have yet to provide evidence that they've actually lied.

They have NEVER said that the Prothean would be a part of the main game. His lines being present in the demo indicate only that they recorded his lines at the same time as eveyrone else - a reasonable thing to do. Many of Kasumi's lines were recorded before ME2. 

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
They have NEVER said that the Prothean would be a part of the main game. His lines being present in the demo indicate only that they recorded his lines at the same time as eveyrone else - a reasonable thing to do. Many of Kasumi's lines were recorded before ME2.

THis?  Again?  *sigh*

Until people can actually understand it, yes.  It doesn't matter if Kasumi came out much later.  Point is you can't use the VO files being present to indicate the content was ready for the main game as it was the same case with Kasumi.

[Dragoonlordz]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

This is the mentality and maturity of what we are dealing with.  Since you obviously have too much money and really don't care what you do w/ it, just send me a check instead of sending it to bioware.  Any consumer w/ half a brain wants to get more for less.  If you disagree you are an idiot who does not deserve the money you are being cheated out of (not that bioware/ea are cheating in the case, just in general).

An inteligent consumer would not jump to bioware's defense.  They would sit back and support them by purchasing the game (the only thing they really care about anyway).  All the while silently hoping that something good may arise from other people with higher standards who are trying to get a better product/service. 

You don't have the right to get it for free regardless. They have the right to supply the products "they" created the way they wish to providing breaks no laws. Just because you 'want it' does not entitle you to have it. Business cares about money because it keeps people employed, it creates new jobs and new products thats where this crap about greed falls flat. If you are offered a pay rise in your current job, you would not turn it down just because you 'can' live without it or is not needed and if you say you would I will call you a liar. Calling them greedy only makes you a hypocrite because your also coming from the stance of greed, wanting more for less. They are not cheating anyone out of money because you are not forced to buy the products they create.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 06:44 .

[kamen rider spectre]

Oh come now Dovahzaan, we all know Activision is the devil .

Modifié par kamen rider spectre, 26 février 2012 - 06:46 .

[MakeMineMako]

Tar-Minastir wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Bioware in steep decline. They really should thank their biodrones as they are doing a good job fighting their corner even though they are delusional. Bioware you are going to see SIGNIFICANT losses after the Mass Effect trilogy has ended. Bioware in STEEP decline.

Mind showing me the charts, graphs, sales figures, and quarterly earnings to back this up? Or is this just another case of blowing off steam on the internet?

I assume he views their decline in terms of ethical standards and product quality/care.  Since bioware has been so sucessfull (and rightfully so), they have fallen into the trap of most large scale developers/publishers.  They churn out substandard products.  These products are not made w/ the same level of passion and love of the game as preciously seen.

I admit this is all person opinion and up to personal interpretation, but there are other ways for a company to decline than monetarily.  On that front Bioware/Ea have been very sucessful.

Fair enough. I guess I misunderstood his/her point. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I still disagree though. But everybody will differ in opinions (which is a good thing).

[Niemack Saarinen]

kamen rider spectre wrote...

Oh come now, we all know Activision is the devil.

exactly.

[ArkkAngel007]

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Bioware in steep decline. They really should thank their biodrones as they are doing a good job fighting their corner even though they are delusional. Bioware you are going to see SIGNIFICANT losses after the Mass Effect trilogy has ended. Bioware in STEEP decline.

Mind showing me the charts, graphs, sales figures, and quarterly earnings to back this up? Or is this just another case of blowing off steam on the internet?

You want me to source you sale figures and quarterly earnings from the future? Bioware are in STEEP decline and with the changes they are making to the ME series that fans do not want they will rightly so see out the trilogy and then abandon EAware. And who the **** is going to buy the next DA game? And the old republic will fail. Bioware you are going to get what you deserve. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

No. I want evidence from the here and now.

If they are in steep decline (as in 'they are in trouble') as you say, then they should be hurting financially right now. Which may indicate troubling future trends for that part of EA's holdings.

If not, I don't see the nerd rage from a DLC pack, costing ten bucks, being a corporate killer for Bioware or EA. Oh, they will lose some customers over this craziness, but it will blow over and life will go on. And Bioware will, in all likelyhood, still be alive and kicking.

It's just his view.  He wants to go all doom prophet, his choice.  I don't agree with it being stated as fact, but due to EA owning BioWare, it is a possiblity once the major franchises with decent developing teams are completed, and it will take a helluva impression to get DA fans on board without a fuss.

[Candidate 88766]

oto wrote...

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

I've read enough of it. I've seen no actual evidence that we've been lied to or decieved.

You made that claim. The onus is on YOU to back it up.

So far you've done nothing than dodge the issue.

All there is in the last few pages is that the Prothean has had some lines recorded and that some of his script lines are in place. This contradicts nothing Bioware has told us.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[oto]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

kamen rider spectre wrote...

Oh come now, we all know Activision is the devil.

exactly.

Activision being worse doesn't excuse EAware

[Candidate 88766]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

kamen rider spectre wrote...

Oh come now, we all know Activision is the devil.

exactly.

Ubisoft is worse than EA or Activision.

Actively preventing people from playing the games they legitimately bought, and their insane PC DRM, doesn't paint a great image of Ubisoft. 

[Clayless]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

I've read enough of it. I've seen no actual evidence that we've been lied to or decieved.

You made that claim. The onus is on YOU to back it up.

So far you've done nothing than dodge the issue.

It's because they never. Bioware has never confirmed or denied the existence of the Prothean.

[breadedpudding]

oto wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

kamen rider spectre wrote...

Oh come now, we all know Activision is the devil.

exactly.

Activision being worse doesn't excuse EAware

I do believe OP was being sarcastic. <_<

[tez19]

Yeah like i said, alot of fans are sticking around for ME3 (myself included) and once shepards story has completed i will never buy another product from the money grabbing Bioware ever again. And i believe with their business practices and origin etc.. ALOT of fans will leave this disgrace of a company after ME3. And who the hell will but the next DA game? WHO THE HELL WILL BUY THE NEXT DA GAME? LMAO HAHAHAHAH, what a fail that franchise has turned out to be after a quality first game. BIOWARE IN STEEP STEEP DECLINE!!!!

[Niemack Saarinen]

Candidate 88766 wrote...


Actively preventing people from playing the games they legitimately bought, and their insane PC DRM, doesn't paint a great image of Ubisoft. 

actually yeah your right with that,  last time i buy assassins creed.    - they stated the games that would be affected in their "Down time"  and  ended up blocking those games too.

[oto]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

I've read enough of it. I've seen no actual evidence that we've been lied to or decieved.

You made that claim. The onus is on YOU to back it up.

So far you've done nothing than dodge the issue.

  Chris Priestly
Chris Priestly response after prothean leak : Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

Oh wait... no I don't.

 And now he is back in game.

[breadedpudding]

tez19 wrote...

Yeah like i said, alot of fans are sticking around for ME3 (myself included) and once shepards story has completed i will never buy another product from the money grabbing Bioware ever again. And i believe with their business practices and origin etc.. ALOT of fans will leave this disgrace of a company after ME3. And who the hell will but the next DA game? WHO THE HELL WILL BUY THE NEXT DA GAME? LMAO HAHAHAHAH, what a fail that franchise has turned out to be after a quality first game. BIOWARE IN STEEP STEEP DECLINE!!!!

I for one will happily buy the next DA game. As for Bioware being in a steep decline - seriously, how do you know that? Are you talking about a financial decline or some other decline? Because far as I can tell, the company is doing pretty well, this whole s***storm aside.

[Candidate 88766]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

I've read enough of it. I've seen no actual evidence that we've been lied to or decieved.

You made that claim. The onus is on YOU to back it up.

So far you've done nothing than dodge the issue.

It's because they never. Bioware has never confirmed or denied the existence of the Prothean.

Its like trying to get blood from a stone. If there was evidence of Bioware actually liying to us about this then someone would have posted it.

I still don't like the idea of a Prothean being relegated to a DLC role, but we haven't been lied to.

[breadedpudding]

oto wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

oto wrote...

You obviously don't read this thread you just jump in and out. read couple of post up

I've read enough of it. I've seen no actual evidence that we've been lied to or decieved.

You made that claim. The onus is on YOU to back it up.

So far you've done nothing than dodge the issue.

  Chris Priestly
Chris Priestly response after prothean leak : Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

Oh wait... no I don't.

 And now he is back in game.

I do believe Chris meant the advert with "The Prothean" listed, not the game itself.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

With a thread this long, I don't see the point in actually providing a coherent intelligent answer to anyone - it will be lost within half an hour amidst the fluff and banter. By all means, carry on.

[LinksOcarina]

oto wrote...


Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Really now?

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

 


What say you, oto? 

[tez19]

breadedpudding wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Yeah like i said, alot of fans are sticking around for ME3 (myself included) and once shepards story has completed i will never buy another product from the money grabbing Bioware ever again. And i believe with their business practices and origin etc.. ALOT of fans will leave this disgrace of a company after ME3. And who the hell will but the next DA game? WHO THE HELL WILL BUY THE NEXT DA GAME? LMAO HAHAHAHAH, what a fail that franchise has turned out to be after a quality first game. BIOWARE IN STEEP STEEP DECLINE!!!!

I for one will happily buy the next DA game. As for Bioware being in a steep decline - seriously, how do you know that? Are you talking about a financial decline or some other decline? Because far as I can tell, the company is doing pretty well, this whole s***storm aside.

LMAO biodrone, you are in a very small minority son.