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[TheGoddess0fWar]

I love how some of you stoop to name calling to make yourselves feel better. Fact of the matter is. No. You're not getting the DLC for free. You'll have to pay for it just like everyone else. Sorry to burst your hopeful little bubbles but screaming bloody murder at Bioware will do nothing. Hell, they are probably laughing it up at their HQ over this thread. In my honest opinion it should of been kept to the CE. Then I would of been the one laughing.

[BaronIveagh]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Here's my issue with my fellow opposers.  Public refusal to acknowledge facts present, dismissing any additional information provided, using personal assumptions and emotional bearings as facts, calling anyone that either tries to make a correction to your argument or that disagrees with you a biodrone or sheep...that isn't selling our argument against this thing.

All we have really to go on is a) the situation was handled poorly, as is very apparent and past behavior of EA in relations to BioWare.  

The only present itemsd, outside of what BioWare and Microsoft provided, we have are the audio files and the script.  The audio files only indicate VO work was done during development like Kasumi and only SurKesh banter was included.  The script indicates he isn't in the main game, yet Merizan "hinted" that he is.  As such, while the majority of the evidence points that he was never in the game and isn't, we can't be 100% sure that he is or not.  We just know that the content in the DLC wouldn't have been in the main game.

This isn't a personal attack on anyone.  I know most are hoping for the best case scenerio with this situation, and just are trying to be realistic on the potential consequences.  I'm just saying that a lot of arguments on here need to have a change in tact and content if they want to sell their argument.  

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

[oto]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

oto wrote...

At least i'm not mindless biodrone.

Nah your not a mindless biodrone.  so that just makes you mindless?

Go give more money to eaware...

[WeWant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Steep Decline?

considering they just added three studios in the past two years, are now working on Command and Conquer Geneals 2, and have become one of the fasting growing and critically acclaimed game studios under EA, I find it very hard to take that seriously.

They are growing in numbers thanks to EA, but they are in decline as a independent, integre, creative team.

EA: I disolved Westwood but no problem I can make Bioware do the next C&C HAHA. Hey Bioware, come over here? You never made a RTS? WHATEVER MAN JUST DO IT LOL"


Bioware: Yes master.
http://i.imgur.com/dHlfQ.jpg

[breadedpudding]

oto wrote...

Answering insult with an insult. Seems fair to me. If someone is disrespectful to me i have right to call him whatever i want.

Actually, no. The only one throwing insults has been you - and yes, I did read what everyone else in your particular pyramid said. You are the one that's unfortunately being disrespectful at this moment, when everyone else is only replying with an opposing point of view you don't seem to like.

[Niemack Saarinen]

TAIM2DAI wrote...

So...cba to read through 400 odd pages of whining so I'll just ask now. Has there been any official word from either BIOWARE or EA regarding the uproar?

I would'nt classify it as a uproar, its 400 pages of the same people mostly, talking in circles.  I would say a spectacle.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

You know. Biodrone is actually a pretty cool title if you think about it. I will gladly hold that title and become a bio-mechanical organism. Perhaps I can go on a rampage and drink motor oil in tea cups with other fellow biodrones too.

[AkiKishi]

tez19 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Sorry to burst your hyperbole bubble but you have no evidence at all suggesting that those in favor of this DLC are a small minority however switching sides there is larger evidence to suggest more people are buying ME3 than past two titles. You may be leaving the franchise and spending youre money elsewhere but quite honestly it appears with regards to ME3 more new fans are being created than lost.

After ME3 comes out is when we will see the numbers significantly shift, as the customers feel they should finish the ME trilogy. DA is a fail franchise now, you just wait until the next dog turd DA comes out and see how badly it does. Your fav developer are in steep decline. You will soon see the sale numbers dwindle AFTER ME3.

True that you never see the knock on effect till the game after.

I'm sure once ME3 is released we can get into the old sold vs sold through again.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

Go give more money to eaware...

Okay gladly, Im purchasing their game, cause I DGAF, I just like Mass Effect.

[LinksOcarina]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
Steep Decline?

considering they just added three studios in the past two years, are now working on Command and Conquer Geneals 2, and have become one of the fasting growing and critically acclaimed game studios under EA, I find it very hard to take that seriously.

And hell, Mass Effect and Dragion Age have generated a combined total of around $10 Million dollars to the company, and in EA's pockets. Thats triple the amount we see from Pandemic, which got dissolved, and double the amount from Visceral and DICE. 

I might point out that Bioware has ceased expanding and many other studios in EA are activly laying off.  While this is not 'steep decline' it also does not bode well for EA or Bioware in the long run.  Further, we're likely to see layoffs at Bioware if the activision/EA suit goes badly for EA.  A half billion dollars is not a sum to be sneezed at.

True, but the EA/Activision Suit will likely be settled out of court in EAs favor, since Activision has no real proof that EA helped the guys from Infinity Ward breach their contract, plus its important to point out the fact that Activision did it upon themselves on that one.

But you are right that studios have been hit hard in EA. The problem is its a massive company and all of the subsidiaries it has can be cropped up and form new studios overnight if need be. But, Myzuka is now an EA board member I believe, which. gives BioWare a some pull in regards to game development and publication direction. Also need to keep in mind that EA has over 7,000 employees across over 2 dozen studios, most of which are without Brand Name Recognition anymore, falling like Black Box did (Now its EA BlackBox, for example).

If anything, BioWare is beating the odds

[oto]

breadedpudding wrote...

oto wrote...

Answering insult with an insult. Seems fair to me. If someone is disrespectful to me i have right to call him whatever i want.

Actually, no. The only one throwing insults has been you - and yes, I did read what everyone else in your particular pyramid said. You are the one that's unfortunately being disrespectful at this moment, when everyone else is only replying with an opposing point of view you don't seem to like.

So apparently idiot isn't insult for you ok...

[LinksOcarina]

oto wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

oto wrote...

At least i'm not mindless biodrone.

Nah your not a mindless biodrone.  so that just makes you mindless?

Go give more money to eaware...

Eh don't take him seriously Niemack, he still hasent replied to my challenge yet, so I am not.

[obie191970]

We accomplish anything since last night?

[breadedpudding]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You know. Biodrone is actually a pretty cool title if you think about it. I will gladly hold that title and become a bio-mechanical organism. Perhaps I can go on a rampage and drink motor oil in tea cups with other fellow biodrones too.

My thought was that if we're Biodrones, that means when the machines take over, they'll recognize us as fellow machines. We'll be safe, thank goodness. So I guess there is a silver lining!

[Candidate 88766]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Here's my issue with my fellow opposers.  Public refusal to acknowledge facts present, dismissing any additional information provided, using personal assumptions and emotional bearings as facts, calling anyone that either tries to make a correction to your argument or that disagrees with you a biodrone or sheep...that isn't selling our argument against this thing.

All we have really to go on is a) the situation was handled poorly, as is very apparent and past behavior of EA in relations to BioWare.  

The only present itemsd, outside of what BioWare and Microsoft provided, we have are the audio files and the script.  The audio files only indicate VO work was done during development like Kasumi and only SurKesh banter was included.  The script indicates he isn't in the main game, yet Merizan "hinted" that he is.  As such, while the majority of the evidence points that he was never in the game and isn't, we can't be 100% sure that he is or not.  We just know that the content in the DLC wouldn't have been in the main game.

This isn't a personal attack on anyone.  I know most are hoping for the best case scenerio with this situation, and just are trying to be realistic on the potential consequences.  I'm just saying that a lot of arguments on here need to have a change in tact and content if they want to sell their argument.  

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

I think its a case of a Prothean character originally being planned and the scrapped, and then a different and less important Prothean character being created for use as DLC.

The Prothean as it stands now was never going to be a part of the main game. The Prothean detailed in the first few scripts has been left on the cutting room floor. A pity if you ask me - I don't mind the day 1 DLC (even with the £8 it adds to the game, you can buy it cheaper than the RRP on places like Amazon) - but I don't think a Prothena should've been relegated to DLC. I think its a bit of a wasted opportunity.

[AkiKishi]

BaronIveagh wrote...

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

If you have ever tried to debate with religous folks it's very similiar. You can beat them over the head with a 365 million year old rock and they will still maintain the earth is 10.000 years old.

[breadedpudding]

oto wrote...

breadedpudding wrote...

oto wrote...

Answering insult with an insult. Seems fair to me. If someone is disrespectful to me i have right to call him whatever i want.

Actually, no. The only one throwing insults has been you - and yes, I did read what everyone else in your particular pyramid said. You are the one that's unfortunately being disrespectful at this moment, when everyone else is only replying with an opposing point of view you don't seem to like.

So apparently idiot isn't insult for you ok...

If I missed that, I do apologize for that. But trading insults in return is not going to help you or your cause. 

[Clayless]

oto wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

oto wrote...

At least i'm not mindless biodrone.

Thats all you have left? Insults? lol

Answering insult with an insult. Seems fair to me. If someone is disrespectful to me i have right to call him whatever i want.

Actually I corrected your misconception, then I insulted because you came to that misconception despite the counter-evidence.

You do have the right to call me whatever you want, and please feel free, but it wont change the fact you were proven wrong.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You know. Biodrone is actually a pretty cool title if you think about it. I will gladly hold that title and become a bio-mechanical organism. Perhaps I can go on a rampage and drink motor oil in tea cups with other fellow biodrones too.

Praise the Omnissiah the Machine God



sorry slipped into some 40k.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

oto wrote...

breadedpudding wrote...

oto wrote...

Answering insult with an insult. Seems fair to me. If someone is disrespectful to me i have right to call him whatever i want.

Actually, no. The only one throwing insults has been you - and yes, I did read what everyone else in your particular pyramid said. You are the one that's unfortunately being disrespectful at this moment, when everyone else is only replying with an opposing point of view you don't seem to like.

So apparently idiot isn't insult for you ok...

Atleast he backed up "idiot" with an intellectual staement beforehand, and since it was a true statement and you know it, you just called him a biodrone cause you had nothing else to say.

[Candidate 88766]

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Nope.

The same people give out justified reasons for and against From Ashes, so the whole argument goes in circles, while a small minority rage away and call anyone who disagrees a 'Biodrone'. 

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

lol no

[MakeMineMako]

tez19 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Sorry to burst your hyperbole bubble but you have no evidence at all suggesting that those in favor of this DLC are a small minority however switching sides there is larger evidence to suggest more people are buying ME3 than past two titles. You may be leaving the franchise and spending youre money elsewhere but quite honestly it appears with regards to ME3 more new fans are being created than lost.

After ME3 comes out is when we will see the numbers significantly shift, as the customers feel they should finish the ME trilogy. DA is a fail franchise now, you just wait until the next dog turd DA comes out and see how badly it does. Your fav developer are in steep decline. You will soon see the sale numbers dwindle AFTER ME3.

Doubtful.

But if it did happen, it won't be because of optional DLC.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

If you have ever tried to debate with religous folks it's very similiar. You can beat them over the head with a 365 million year old rock and they will still maintain the earth is 10.000 years old.

Yet this is exactly how it feels from the other side towards the boycott crowd. Works both ways.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 février 2012 - 07:22 .

[oto]

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

oto wrote...

At least i'm not mindless biodrone.

Nah your not a mindless biodrone.  so that just makes you mindless?

Go give more money to eaware...

Eh don't take him seriously Niemack, he still hasent replied to my challenge yet, so I am not.

And you are?
and what  challenge.