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[breadedpudding]

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Doesn't look like it.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

If you have ever tried to debate with religous folks it's very similiar. You can beat them over the head with a 365 million year old rock and they will still maintain the earth is 10.000 years old.

Did you seriously just bring up religion in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with that topic whatsoever?

That's cool.

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Here's my issue with my fellow opposers.  Public refusal to acknowledge facts present, dismissing any additional information provided, using personal assumptions and emotional bearings as facts, calling anyone that either tries to make a correction to your argument or that disagrees with you a biodrone or sheep...that isn't selling our argument against this thing.

All we have really to go on is a) the situation was handled poorly, as is very apparent and past behavior of EA in relations to BioWare.  

The only present itemsd, outside of what BioWare and Microsoft provided, we have are the audio files and the script.  The audio files only indicate VO work was done during development like Kasumi and only SurKesh banter was included.  The script indicates he isn't in the main game, yet Merizan "hinted" that he is.  As such, while the majority of the evidence points that he was never in the game and isn't, we can't be 100% sure that he is or not.  We just know that the content in the DLC wouldn't have been in the main game.

This isn't a personal attack on anyone.  I know most are hoping for the best case scenerio with this situation, and just are trying to be realistic on the potential consequences.  I'm just saying that a lot of arguments on here need to have a change in tact and content if they want to sell their argument.  

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

Which could have been avoided if marketing didn't decide to remove the Prothean from the CE description and let people know that they were planning this a while back.  It still would have caused a bunch of moaning, but at least BioWare would have the points of being transparent with us.

The other issue is with Microsoft, which I must ask, will EA/BioWare continue to let their Live service receive perks such as the early demo access after not one, but two leaks?  I know it isn't really BioWare's call at any point, but there was a lot of heat directed towards BioWare as a consequence of Microsoft's actions.

[breadedpudding]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

This^

Unfortunetly, while we can't say for certain that they're lying, we also have no reason to belive them either at this point, however.  There has been too much abuse of trust from Bioware. 

If he is in the main game, though, and only avalible as a squadmate via DLC, frankly I see it being a PR ****storm at this point.

If you have ever tried to debate with religous folks it's very similiar. You can beat them over the head with a 365 million year old rock and they will still maintain the earth is 10.000 years old.

Yet this is exactly how it feels from the other side towards the boycott crowd. Works both ways.

Exactly, I couldn't agree with that point more. That's how the boycott crowd might see the supporters, but they don't seem to realize that that is how we're seeing them. 

[fropas]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I love how some of you stoop to name calling to make yourselves feel better. Fact of the matter is. No. You're not getting the DLC for free. You'll have to pay for it just like everyone else. Sorry to burst your hopeful little bubbles but screaming bloody murder at Bioware will do nothing. Hell, they are probably laughing it up at their HQ over this thread. In my honest opinion it should of been kept to the CE. Then I would of been the one laughing.

This is what Michael Gamble should have said on the first page  lulz.

[ArkkAngel007]

breadedpudding wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Doesn't look like it.

No, it degraded more than it ever was. 

[nightcobra]

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[LinksOcarina]

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...


Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Really now?

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

 


What say you, oto? 

This Challenge, Oto.

[obie191970]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Nope.

The same people give out justified reasons for and against From Ashes, so the whole argument goes in circles, while a small minority rage away and call anyone who disagrees a 'Biodrone'. 

If supporting a company because I have immensly enjoyed their products for the past 15 years makes me a Biodrone, then Biodrone I am.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Most of the boycotters on the internet claimed that they are going to pirate the game anyway. It's like saying that you are trying to buy a new car, but the dealership tells you that you have to pay extra for a GPS and spinning wheels. And therefore you are stealing it in protest.

Lolwut?

[tez19]

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Sorry to burst your hyperbole bubble but you have no evidence at all suggesting that those in favor of this DLC are a small minority however switching sides there is larger evidence to suggest more people are buying ME3 than past two titles. You may be leaving the franchise and spending youre money elsewhere but quite honestly it appears with regards to ME3 more new fans are being created than lost.

After ME3 comes out is when we will see the numbers significantly shift, as the customers feel they should finish the ME trilogy. DA is a fail franchise now, you just wait until the next dog turd DA comes out and see how badly it does. Your fav developer are in steep decline. You will soon see the sale numbers dwindle AFTER ME3.

Doubtful.

But if it did happen, it won't be because of optional DLC.

Not doubtful at all. And no not just because of opional DLC, DAY 1 ESSENTIAL DLC. But this is just the latest in the long line of how Bioware have treated its fans badly. And with its design decisions which its original fans do not agree with. Bioware have turned into a money grabbing developer who do not give a **** about their fans. DA2 is a prime example. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Wait and see son.

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

breadedpudding wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Doesn't look like it.

No, it degraded more than it ever was. 

Really, back to page 20 huh?  We were actually making progress yesterday.

[Dragoonlordz]

tez19 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Sorry to burst your hyperbole bubble but you have no evidence at all suggesting that those in favor of this DLC are a small minority however switching sides there is larger evidence to suggest more people are buying ME3 than past two titles. You may be leaving the franchise and spending youre money elsewhere but quite honestly it appears with regards to ME3 more new fans are being created than lost.

After ME3 comes out is when we will see the numbers significantly shift, as the customers feel they should finish the ME trilogy. DA is a fail franchise now, you just wait until the next dog turd DA comes out and see how badly it does. Your fav developer are in steep decline. You will soon see the sale numbers dwindle AFTER ME3.

Doubtful.

But if it did happen, it won't be because of optional DLC.

Not doubtful at all. And no not just because of opional DLC, DAY 1 ESSENTIAL DLC. But this is just the latest in the long line of how Bioware have treated its fans badly. And with its design decisions which its original fans do not agree with. Bioware have turned into a money grabbing developer who do not give a **** about their fans. DA2 is a prime example. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Wait and see son.

Just because you keep saying it over and over does not make it more likely.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

fropas wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I love how some of you stoop to name calling to make yourselves feel better. Fact of the matter is. No. You're not getting the DLC for free. You'll have to pay for it just like everyone else. Sorry to burst your hopeful little bubbles but screaming bloody murder at Bioware will do nothing. Hell, they are probably laughing it up at their HQ over this thread. In my honest opinion it should of been kept to the CE. Then I would of been the one laughing.

This is what Michael Gamble should have said on the first page  lulz.

I agree.

[MakeMineMako]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Most of the boycotters on the internet claimed that they are going to pirate the game anyway. It's like saying that you are trying to buy a new car, but the dealership tells you that you have to pay extra for a GPS and spinning wheels. And therefore you are stealing it in protest.

Lolwut?

Doncha know. They beez stickin' it to DA MAN! <_<

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You just said "giving it away", that is greed. Giving it away means for free there is no other way to give it away.

Why should they give it away just because you want it? EA do not need a PR stunt to win over those who are boycotting because like mentioned the amount of preorders 'seems' to be vastly higher than previous titles.

For what negative effect this might have had on some they also had good PR from their launching space copies.

It goes both ways always. No company will ever have only good PR. The only thing that matters to business is whether they are getting an increase in sales or decrease. As it stands right now it is positive for them because it appears their numbers increased compared to previous titles as opposed to decrease.

Ah, 'Quotation out of Context'.  A basic tactic of propaganda. 

Agian, those earlier words are sort of important to the sentence, as are the words that follow it.

And, no, you can't have entirely good PR, but you can handle it a lot better then this.  Saying 'Sales are up, it must be PR' overlooks the importance of the fact tht you can't turn on the TV, visit a website, or watch a youtube video without being inundated with ads about ME3.  There will always be the uninformed consumers who rush out and buy stuff, and the trackers do not track pre-order cancellations, so...

[breadedpudding]

[quote]tez19 wrote...

Not doubtful at all. And no not just because of opional DLC, DAY 1 ESSENTIAL DLC. But this is just the latest in the long line of how Bioware have treated its fans badly. And with its design decisions which its original fans do not agree with. Bioware have turned into a money grabbing developer who do not give a **** about their fans. DA2 is a prime example. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Wait and see son.[/quote]

Just because you keep saying it over and over does not make it more likely.

[/quote]

And unfortunately Tez, using the same argument over and over again, you're not really succeeding in getting your point across. 

[MakeMineMako]

tez19 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

tez19 wrote...

And it is hardly a 'vocal minority' Everyone apart from the Biodrones were disgusted with that steaming pile of dog turd which was DA2, the BSN is very small, and the Biodrones on here are a pathetic number in overall sales. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

Sorry to burst your hyperbole bubble but you have no evidence at all suggesting that those in favor of this DLC are a small minority however switching sides there is larger evidence to suggest more people are buying ME3 than past two titles. You may be leaving the franchise and spending youre money elsewhere but quite honestly it appears with regards to ME3 more new fans are being created than lost.

After ME3 comes out is when we will see the numbers significantly shift, as the customers feel they should finish the ME trilogy. DA is a fail franchise now, you just wait until the next dog turd DA comes out and see how badly it does. Your fav developer are in steep decline. You will soon see the sale numbers dwindle AFTER ME3.

Doubtful.

But if it did happen, it won't be because of optional DLC.

Not doubtful at all. And no not just because of opional DLC, DAY 1 ESSENTIAL DLC. But this is just the latest in the long line of how Bioware have treated its fans badly. And with its design decisions which its original fans do not agree with. Bioware have turned into a money grabbing developer who do not give a **** about their fans. DA2 is a prime example. BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE. Wait and see son.

Considering that I'm nearly forty years old, don't call me "son". Or "Shirley"

[Candidate 88766]

obie191970 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

Nope.

The same people give out justified reasons for and against From Ashes, so the whole argument goes in circles, while a small minority rage away and call anyone who disagrees a 'Biodrone'. 

If supporting a company because I have immensly enjoyed their products for the past 15 years makes me a Biodrone, then Biodrone I am.

Ditto to that.

[oto]

LinksOcarina wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...


Again learn to read.  The company has been lying ( for slow people) and facts are there and has been stated lots of time in this thread. Here is short version: prothean is in the game, then they  suddenly is not, then is again.

Really now?

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

SharpShoot211 wrote...

They won't compromise. They cut this out from the original game, and are trying to throw it in as DLC - like what they did with Kasumi.

Corporations only care about their fat wallets...

You are half right.

They care about making money, but the Kasumi content was incomplete by the time the game launched, so it got re-tooled. If this was a generation ago they would never have released it since the date was likely finalized for a long time.

As for the current issue, I have posed a simple question I only got one possible answer for, and that is if this was planned DLC, doesn't it make sense to have some of the characters assets in the main game since, you know, its not restricted to use it in the main game at all since it is a squadmember? So the voice files found would reflect that, while the actual mission he is found on is being made, or being finished by the day one launch.

A friend of mine who does coding said its similar to datamining, where they would keep elements of the character into the main games code so that when the DLC is downloaded, it can synch up with the game without causing major bugs. He suspects that this was all intentional, and that if it was always planned to be DLC then it makes sense from that standpoint. 

He also said it could have been cut content, as well, the only way to find out is to actually see the production notes and titles and see the progression of the game being made. Other than that answer though, my only question is really if that is the case here now?

Your friend is correct.  That was all I found when I dove into the files, and the production notes are present (script has production notes anyways).  The multiple scripts also are very telling, especially when you line them up with the dev commentary we've gotten through twitter and interviews.  VO work and indicators are in place, but nothing else.

And sharpshoot, it wasn't cut from the main game.  Let's not set this thread back another 50 pages again. 

 


What say you, oto? 

This Challenge, Oto.

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

[Candidate 88766]

MakeMineMako wrote...


Considering that I'm nearly forty years old, don't call me "son". Or "Shirley"

"I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you".

[_symphony]

obie191970 wrote...

We accomplish anything since last night?

more pages 

[fropas]

MakeMineMako wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Most of the boycotters on the internet claimed that they are going to pirate the game anyway. It's like saying that you are trying to buy a new car, but the dealership tells you that you have to pay extra for a GPS and spinning wheels. And therefore you are stealing it in protest.

Lolwut?

Doncha know. They beez stickin' it to DA MAN! <_<

LOL!
 
Man, video games are such serous business now-a-days. I remember back in the day I'd spend 70$ playing Gauntlet Legends in the arcade. . .I never really minded paying money to play a game. But oh well back to arguing about 10$ DLC.

[Evilelf007]

Nothing essential about the dlc...

[BaronIveagh]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

You know. Biodrone is actually a pretty cool title if you think about it. I will gladly hold that title and become a bio-mechanical organism. Perhaps I can go on a rampage and drink motor oil in tea cups with other fellow biodrones too.

Praise the Omnissiah the Machine God

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!  BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!  SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

*achem* 

Now, see what you did!