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[obie191970]

chuckles471 wrote...

I know Bioware won't do this (they don't really need to) but if they showed when they started the DLC(or when it was planned for DLC), we could settle some things.

Right now BOTH sides are just speculating and doing that for example in a court of law, you would just get your nuts handed to you.

We have the leaked script but without any context (time it was made, had it been approved by the producers, was the game fully in production, was it a first draft...etc). All the script is a piece of paper with story on it.

I think we should be asking Bioware for answers and evidence, rather than spouting vitriolic nonsense and name calling. Also no evidence is evidence works for both sides of an arguement and we get nowhere with that.

PS sorry about the grammer. I suck at english and my first and only lanuage is english.lol

I don't see why when they started it has any significance in the conversation at all.  It was content that was created to be included in the CE as advertised so they had to make it regardless.

Modifié par obie191970, 26 février 2012 - 07:47 .

[MakeMineMako]

fropas wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Most of the boycotters on the internet claimed that they are going to pirate the game anyway. It's like saying that you are trying to buy a new car, but the dealership tells you that you have to pay extra for a GPS and spinning wheels. And therefore you are stealing it in protest.

Lolwut?

Doncha know. They beez stickin' it to DA MAN! <_<

LOL!
 
Man, video games are such serous business now-a-days. I remember back in the day I'd spend 70$ playing Gauntlet Legends in the arcade. . .I never really minded paying money to play a game. But oh well back to arguing about 10$ DLC.

Ah, the good old days. I still like putting some quarters in any game machine I run across just for the nostalgia. Actually played some Ms. Pac Man at the local choke n' puke last week. Fun times.

[Candidate 88766]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Is the crap gone? The crap's gone. Excellent.

Catching up... We're determining the DLC should be reviewed before anyone jumps to any conclusions? Wait, who are you people and what have you done to the insanity?

Hopefully it'll get reviewed before the game releases.

I'm going to buy it anyway - the idea of a Prothean and the awesomeness of his voice were enough to persuade me to spend the £5 I needed to get enough points.

[Clayless]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

BSN logic: 1 poorly received game out of an entire back catalgoue of incredible games means Bioware is in decline

Omg yes.

It's like saying CARS 2 SUCKED PIXAR IS IN DECLINE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SEE BRAVE IS A PIXARDRONE.

[Evilelf007]

@Candidate... Please edit out the quotes so only the last one is being quoted...thanks.

[addiction21]

obie191970 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

The dlc was created as an incentive for the ce...the ce buyers have already paid for it. Be glad Bioware didn't make it ce exclusive, so those without can join in the fun!

But....but....I WANT IT FOR FREE OR I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME!!!!!!

Its not even their ball.

[oto]

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

You are saying the company has been lying and that the Prothean was in the game. 

I pointed out in a question I posed, and got confirmed back on Page 398 by that fellow there who replied along with a friend of mine, saying he did it himself in looking at the demo files.

My challenge to you is to showcase evidence to the contrary, since you make the claim that the prothean was in the game and was taken out. From everything I have seen, this is not the case at all, and that BioWare is not lying to its customers. 

You don't want to see the evidence even if they are in front of your nose. And what he data mined in demo ( which i boubt he did) further proves the fact that he was ripped off the game .

[LinksOcarina]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

BSN logic: 1 poorly received game out of an entire back catalgoue of incredible games means Bioware is in decline

MDK2 Wasn't THAT bad...

[obie191970]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

BSN logic: 1 poorly received game out of an entire back catalgoue of incredible games means Bioware is in decline

MDK2 Wasn't THAT bad...

I C WAT U DID THAR!!!!

[LinksOcarina]

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

You are saying the company has been lying and that the Prothean was in the game. 

I pointed out in a question I posed, and got confirmed back on Page 398 by that fellow there who replied along with a friend of mine, saying he did it himself in looking at the demo files.

My challenge to you is to showcase evidence to the contrary, since you make the claim that the prothean was in the game and was taken out. From everything I have seen, this is not the case at all, and that BioWare is not lying to its customers. 

You don't want to see the evidence even if they are in front of your nose. And what he data mined in demo ( which i boubt he did) further proves the fact that he was ripped off the game .

I think you just have no retort or evidence to the contrary. I see the evidence, it doesn't add up to what you say so far.

So...go away cause you are ignorant to reason or logic?

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 26 février 2012 - 07:54 .

[AkiKishi]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Is the crap gone? The crap's gone. Excellent.

Catching up... We're determining the DLC should be reviewed before anyone jumps to any conclusions? Wait, who are you people and what have you done to the insanity?

Hopefully it'll get reviewed before the game releases.

I'm going to buy it anyway - the idea of a Prothean and the awesomeness of his voice were enough to persuade me to spend the £5 I needed to get enough points.

£5 ? Not likely they will convert the $10 to £10.

[RDSFirebane]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Also. Lol the DLC is $10. In some countries they pay upwards $100 for CE and some of you are complaining about $10 measly dollars? Get your parents to give you $10. Or better yet a job. Or a better job if you can't afford $10 for DLC (let alone the game luz?). Or even better yet wait for it....WAIT FOR IT TO GO ON SALE. The point is, we've been buying Bioware's games and DLC and we will continue to (the loyal fans anyways). No sense in arguing over it.

^this and I mean I live in the US and I am paying 100.40 for mine for the simple fact both my gamestops decided no instore pick up which is lame but o well.

and ya no reason for everyone to be getting upset about DLC no one has played yet just silly.

[fropas]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Also. Lol the DLC is $10. In some countries they pay upwards $100 for CE and some of you are complaining about $10 measly dollars? Get your parents to give you $10. Or better yet a job. Or a better job if you can't afford $10 for DLC (let alone the game luz?). Or even better yet wait for it....WAIT FOR IT TO GO ON SALE. The point is, we've been buying Bioware's games and DLC and we will continue to (the loyal fans anyways). No sense in arguing over it.

I don't think ppl are mad about the money. They're mad about what they think "should" be in the game being sold as DLC. And they're trying to argue that this is "reasonable" logic--even though it isn't

If anti-dlc people waited 6-10 months for the price to go down: they would still ****.

If anti-dlc people bought raffle tickets for 1$ and won the game: they would still ****.

If anti-dlc people got the game for free: they would still ****. 

I didn't realize it until now, but there is no "reasoning" with the "anti-dlc" crowd, because they just don't think they should have to pay ANYTHING for the prothy--despite the fact that some of us are willing to pay for him. 

 which makes me glad the prothy isn't free really; these ingrates don't deserve the last surviving member of an extinct alien race. 

[nightcobra]

the way i see it between consumers and developers/publishers is not unlike an unending tug of war.
both sides want to win the advantage on this tug of war, the best deal as it were.
sometimes one of the sides helps the other by lending some rope, if this happens on the developers/publishers side is when they want to reward the consumers by giving them a better deal for a lower/no price, if this happens on the consumers side is when the fanbase is loyal enough and willing to buy more of the products even if overpriced.
however when each side pulls the other too hard you risk disaster for both sides, if the publishers/developers side pulls too hard and the opposing side, the consumers, "lose" the developers/publishers passed the breaking point and made their customers lose faith in their business practices losing them in the process.
however if it were the consumers side to pull hard enough, the developers/publishers would lose on the account of losing money and ultimately filing for bankrupcy making them unable to create the products their fanbase loves so much.


that's at least my perspective on things and as for me personally think that right now the rope's lenght is longer on the developers/publishers side and as such i'll pull harder in order to try and stabilize it.
others may see it differently however.

[fropas]

MakeMineMako wrote...

fropas wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Most of the boycotters on the internet claimed that they are going to pirate the game anyway. It's like saying that you are trying to buy a new car, but the dealership tells you that you have to pay extra for a GPS and spinning wheels. And therefore you are stealing it in protest.

Lolwut?

Doncha know. They beez stickin' it to DA MAN! <_<

LOL!
 
Man, video games are such serous business now-a-days. I remember back in the day I'd spend 70$ playing Gauntlet Legends in the arcade. . .I never really minded paying money to play a game. But oh well back to arguing about 10$ DLC.

Ah, the good old days. I still like putting some quarters in any game machine I run across just for the nostalgia. Actually played some Ms. Pac Man at the local choke n' puke last week. Fun times.

Oh ****, man. I haven't really thought about it before, but yeah I love that feeling it's so nostalgic for me.

[Candidate 88766]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Is the crap gone? The crap's gone. Excellent.

Catching up... We're determining the DLC should be reviewed before anyone jumps to any conclusions? Wait, who are you people and what have you done to the insanity?

Hopefully it'll get reviewed before the game releases.

I'm going to buy it anyway - the idea of a Prothean and the awesomeness of his voice were enough to persuade me to spend the £5 I needed to get enough points.

£5 ? Not likely they will convert the $10 to £10.

I had 350 points already, so I only had to buy 500 more, which cost £4.25.

Even if I had to buy 1000 points for £8.50, I'd be getting the game cheaper than the RRP.

[oto]

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

You are saying the company has been lying and that the Prothean was in the game. 

I pointed out in a question I posed, and got confirmed back on Page 398 by that fellow there who replied along with a friend of mine, saying he did it himself in looking at the demo files.

My challenge to you is to showcase evidence to the contrary, since you make the claim that the prothean was in the game and was taken out. From everything I have seen, this is not the case at all, and that BioWare is not lying to its customers. 

You don't want to see the evidence even if they are in front of your nose. And what he data mined in demo ( which i boubt he did) further proves the fact that he was ripped off the game .

I think you just have no retort or evidecne to the contrary. I see the evidence, it doesn't add up to what you say so far.

So...go away cause you are ignorant to reason or logic?

If people like me go away soon you will be charged for every level in games so no i am staying. And time will show who is ignorant.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You just said "giving it away", that is greed. Giving it away means for free there is no other way to give it away.

Why should they give it away just because you want it? EA do not need a PR stunt to win over those who are boycotting because like mentioned the amount of preorders 'seems' to be vastly higher than previous titles.

For what negative effect this might have had on some they also had good PR from their launching space copies.

It goes both ways always. No company will ever have only good PR. The only thing that matters to business is whether they are getting an increase in sales or decrease. As it stands right now it is positive for them because it appears their numbers increased compared to previous titles as opposed to decrease.

Ah, 'Quotation out of Context'.  A basic tactic of propaganda. 

Agian, those earlier words are sort of important to the sentence, as are the words that follow it.

And, no, you can't have entirely good PR, but you can handle it a lot better then this.  Saying 'Sales are up, it must be PR' overlooks the importance of the fact tht you can't turn on the TV, visit a website, or watch a youtube video without being inundated with ads about ME3.  There will always be the uninformed consumers who rush out and buy stuff, and the trackers do not track pre-order cancellations, so...

Which my point is as long as those customers who buy come in at faster rate than those who leave EA from a business stand point have no reason to change. They are making more money unless the tide turns. It won't turn (personal opinion based on all read and seen so far).

My other point I mentioned earlier about not tracking pre-orders vs buying the game and not buying the DLC relates to your last sentence. I'll quickly doodle a picture for you the way I see it and yes it is an extreme oversimplification but it will suffice.

[LinksOcarina]

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

You are saying the company has been lying and that the Prothean was in the game. 

I pointed out in a question I posed, and got confirmed back on Page 398 by that fellow there who replied along with a friend of mine, saying he did it himself in looking at the demo files.

My challenge to you is to showcase evidence to the contrary, since you make the claim that the prothean was in the game and was taken out. From everything I have seen, this is not the case at all, and that BioWare is not lying to its customers. 

You don't want to see the evidence even if they are in front of your nose. And what he data mined in demo ( which i boubt he did) further proves the fact that he was ripped off the game .

I think you just have no retort or evidecne to the contrary. I see the evidence, it doesn't add up to what you say so far.

So...go away cause you are ignorant to reason or logic?

If people like me go away soon you will be charged for every level in games so no i am staying. And time will show who is ignorant.

It will still be you.

Because honestly, the minute companies charge for every level in games (which is unlikely because the chances of that happening are slim, since companies know they can't get away with it) then people will stop buying games. 

Everyone has a threshold on what they would buy or not. I just find it silly that this, something planned and known about for a year, is the threshold for some people when they knew about it.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 26 février 2012 - 07:59 .

[Candidate 88766]

oto wrote...

If people like me go away soon you will be charged for every level in games so no i am staying. And time will show who is ignorant.

So not only do you believe that game companies will soon start charging per level, but you also believe that posting here is somehow stopping this from happening?

Wow.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

But really why should I care? I'm getting the CE sooo I'll be getting the DLC anyways! LOL!

[chuckles471]

obie191970 wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

I know Bioware won't do this (they don't really need to) but if they showed when they started the DLC(or when it was planned for DLC), we could settle some things.

Right now BOTH sides are just speculating and doing that for example in a court of law, you would just get your nuts handed to you.

We have the leaked script but without any context (time it was made, had it been approved by the producers, was the game fully in production, was it a first draft...etc). All the script is a piece of paper with story on it.

I think we should be asking Bioware for answers and evidence, rather than spouting vitriolic nonsense and name calling. Also no evidence is evidence works for both sides of an arguement and we get nowhere with that.

PS sorry about the grammer. I suck at english and my first and only lanuage is english.lol

I don't see why when they started it has any significance in the conversation at all.  It was content that was created to be included in the CE as advertised so they had to make it regardless.

I thought everybody was angry because they supposedly took content out of the main game and placed it in the CE/DLC.
 
Well if it was a first draft and the poducers hadn't seen it yet, they wouldn't have made a plan to what they could keep from the script with the budget they had. They probably hadn't even planned what was going to be in the CE.  /Speculation

Like I said speculation gets us nowhere.  The truth will set you free.

[Baka-no-Neko]

I will be getting the DLC regardless, as my standard ME3 copy + pp was only £30, so another £6.30 (which converts to $10) is barely anything really.

[ArkkAngel007]

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

Because I (as this is my post being used to push this aspect of the argument, correct?) went through the content myself through boh the original demo leak and the current one and have reasonable cause to agree to the statement released by Ms. Merizan that this was separate content from the game and Gamble/Hudson's statements as development time.  I don't trust dev PR statements at face-value.  Only an idiot wouldn't look into what they are actually saying.  But it's one thing to not take their word for it and look into it yourself, then to just dismiss what they say on the basis of that it doesn't agree with how you initially view the situation.

I know when and where the Prothean was intended to be a part of the game, yet if the scripts indicate that he never made it past pre-production concepts and drafts.  Why do I base so much off of the script and TLK files?  Everything we've been shown thus far, from screenshot, video, audio, dev commentary, and art have been spot on to the letter in the script and TLK files.

The difference between this argument and yours is that I have, at the very least, reliable evidence to indicate the probable development situation of the game, while yours is based solely on pure assumption.

[fropas]

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

oto wrote...

You copied some random post so what do you want me to do with it agree that it wasnt reaped out of the game?(because even data mining the complete game may not show that) not sure what you want though.

You are saying the company has been lying and that the Prothean was in the game. 

I pointed out in a question I posed, and got confirmed back on Page 398 by that fellow there who replied along with a friend of mine, saying he did it himself in looking at the demo files.

My challenge to you is to showcase evidence to the contrary, since you make the claim that the prothean was in the game and was taken out. From everything I have seen, this is not the case at all, and that BioWare is not lying to its customers. 

You don't want to see the evidence even if they are in front of your nose. And what he data mined in demo ( which i boubt he did) further proves the fact that he was ripped off the game .

I think you just have no retort or evidecne to the contrary. I see the evidence, it doesn't add up to what you say so far.

So...go away cause you are ignorant to reason or logic?

If people like me go away soon you will be charged for every level in games so no i am staying. And time will show who is ignorant.

On the plus side at least I won't have to pay for the crappy levels

I actually like this idea.