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[fropas]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

This is awesome. I thoroughly enjoy it when he starts to get upset and takes a nice, soothing sip of his slurpee. 

LOL the new face off Anti-dlc crowd LMFAO! so funny.

[Nex_Legis]

TheLostGenius wrote...

New perspective:

If we can show EA that Bioware's Mass Effect games are insanely profitable (by buying extra DLC) its stands to reason that they will more strongly and assuredly support and finance future Mass Effect entries. Consider a long term investment in sheer awesomeness.

Mass Effect is a trilogy and will end after the third part, except for more DLCs of course. So I don't quite see how this is supposed to be an investment. In addition to this, I believe that EA would misinterpret our efforts and wouldn't actually increase the financial support for BioWare.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Which my point is as long as those customers who buy come in at faster rate than those who leave EA from a business stand point have no reason to change. They are making more money unless the tide turns. It won't turn (personal opinion based on all read and seen so far).

My other point I mentioned earlier about not tracking pre-orders vs buying the game and not buying the DLC relates to your last sentence. I'll quickly doodle a picture for you the way I see it and yes it is an extreme oversimplification but it will suffice.

Well, one, you are not taking into account outside factors but taking the sales of this particular product as though it's taking place in a vacuum and not part of EA's broader buisness issues, but I'll let that go: 

The problem here is that you're looking at short term gains vs long term loss.  Will that fact that I, personally, have refused to buy the game and canceled my preorders of all EA's properties (which has a broader effect then 'just this game' btw) probably not (which, btw, is not going to stop me from doing just that, and should not stop anyone else either) .   However, there is spill over into other products.  Products they also want to sell, that might not have 100k preorders.  

Further, you're creating a group of people that might not feel too bad about donating $20-$75 ($1000 in my case)  to lobby government agencies against EA's buisness practices and are giving money to thier competition instead of them.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[AkiKishi]

LinksOcarina wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

breadedpudding wrote...
10 copies is ten copies. That's an infantismal percentage of lost sales that will be made up elsewhere. For every step back that's taken by people who don't end up buying, they'll take several more  steps forward by people that do.

It depends how many other people convince their friends. Pre-orders are mainly from the gamer market.

But final numbers are difficult to project from them.

All I know is two local gamestops in my area have been sold out for months on the pre-orders for the CE, and are gaining pre-orders since the announcement of the DLC, along with point cards.

So I think in the end, the majority has spoken on this one.

There are never that many CE's in the first place.

You won't see the effect until the game after ME3. A lot of people are taking this one because they have 5 years invested in the series. That's what I get told when I talk to people about it. After ME3 though BIoware have nothing.

[Evilelf007]

If you rent, Bioware is still getting your money, as the rental company has to pay for the right to rent it.

[Stealth3]

breadedpudding wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Holy crap... this thing STILL isn't settled?

DLC good, boycotter's stupid.

/thread

I think boycotters have a right to do so if they want. However, they need to boycot right. That means abstaining from the product period. No renting, no purchasing, no dreaded-p-wording, no going to a friend's house to play it. Nothing. It's my worry that a portion of those claiming to boycot will do one of those things and think they're making a difference when they're really not. Just because you aren't giving a company money, does not mean you are boycotting them. It simply means you aren't giving them money.

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

[breadedpudding]

RDSFirebane wrote...

breadedpudding wrote...

I honestly don't care how important Prothy ends up being. I have my opinions on him, but what I'm looking forward to is the potential of having another bada** like Wrex in my party. And Prothy just looks like he could be all sorts of bada** in his own way. Sure, learning about what he knows about his people will be cool, but still. It's just the potential for fun and bada**ery I'm looking forward to, personally.

^ ya I always ran Garrus + Krogan but 3 seems to be lacking maybe prothy will help fill end my band of brothers! lol I can hope.

I agree with you! It's kind of sad that we won't be able to have Wrex in our party (so I'm assuming, I could be wrong), so having that badass quota filled again will be nice. Although I will admit that Tali can be pretty kick ass herself - last playthrough I had her and Wrex and was pretty happy with the results. Definitely looking forward to seeing what Prothy can do when we get him - and the guy is wearing samurai like armor... how can he NOT be cool? 

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Which my point is as long as those customers who buy come in at faster rate than those who leave EA from a business stand point have no reason to change. They are making more money unless the tide turns. It won't turn (personal opinion based on all read and seen so far).

My other point I mentioned earlier about not tracking pre-orders vs buying the game and not buying the DLC relates to your last sentence. I'll quickly doodle a picture for you the way I see it and yes it is an extreme oversimplification but it will suffice.

Well, one, you are not taking into account outside factors but taking the sales of this particular product as though it's taking place in a vacuum and not part of EA's broader buisness issues, but I'll let that go: 

The problem here is that you're looking at short term gains vs long term loss.  Will that fact that I, personally, have refused to buy the game and canceled my preorders of all EA's properties (which has a broader effect then 'just this game' btw) probably not (which, btw, is not going to stop me from doing just that, and should not stop anyone else either) .   However, there is spill over into other products.  Products they also want to sell, that might not have 100k preorders.  

Further, you're creating a group of people that might not feel too bad about donating $20-$75 ($1000 in my case)  to lobby government agencies against EA's buisness practices and are giving money to thier competition instead of them.

If they throw money at you to try that, then they may as well pile it up and set it on fire as will be just as productive.

[obie191970]

Nex_Legis wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

New perspective:

If we can show EA that Bioware's Mass Effect games are insanely profitable (by buying extra DLC) its stands to reason that they will more strongly and assuredly support and finance future Mass Effect entries. Consider a long term investment in sheer awesomeness.

Mass Effect is a trilogy and will end after the third part, except for more DLCs of course. So I don't quite see how this is supposed to be an investment. In addition to this, I believe that EA would misinterpret our efforts and wouldn't actually increase the financial support for BioWare.

I'd be very surprised if this is the last game in the Mass Effect universe.  Shepard's story is done, but there is a ton more to explore.

Modifié par obie191970, 26 février 2012 - 08:24 .

[Evilelf007]

The time invested and love of the Mass Effect universe will guarantee the next game with the title also succeeds. Mass effect isn't going to suddenly become unviable in the future because of a couple people being upset about a dlc.

[BaronIveagh]

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Holy crap... this thing STILL isn't settled?

DLC good, boycotter's stupid.

/thread

Obviously not every member agrees with your assessment.

Considering the agreement that we had has now been reset by ignorance, trolls (those coming in here just to call people biodrones or stupid, yes, you are trolling), and spamming, he may as well rejoin the party.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

[ArkkAngel007]

obie191970 wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

New perspective:

If we can show EA that Bioware's Mass Effect games are insanely profitable (by buying extra DLC) its stands to reason that they will more strongly and assuredly support and finance future Mass Effect entries. Consider a long term investment in sheer awesomeness.

Mass Effect is a trilogy and will end after the third part, except for more DLCs of course. So I don't quite see how this is supposed to be an investment. In addition to this, I believe that EA would misinterpret our efforts and wouldn't actually increase the financial support for BioWare.

I'd be very surpised if this is the last game in the Mass Effect universe.  Shepard's story is done, but there is a ton more to explore.

Devs and EA have made it clear Mass Effect doesn't end here.  In what direction they will move it in, no one really knows.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If they throw money at you to try that, then they may as well pile it up and set it on fire as will be just as productive.

Never said they should give it to me.  There are many consumer lobbies currently trying to get the FTC to start issuing regulations against the gaming industries current buisness practices.


Edit: and it's not the pirates moaning about DRM.  It's the people stuck with it who bought the game legally.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 08:25 .

[Bawseee]

In-case this hasn't been clarified yet, Gamestop is now selling the DLC in stores for 9.99 pre-release. On the day of release, you'll have the code e-mailed to you.

[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

If you rent, Bioware is still getting your money, as the rental company has to pay for the right to rent it.

No, the game is already paid for it's the same if you buy it used.

Whether I rent it or not they have already paid that money.

[Evilelf007]

Yeah...more government regulation is the answer...

You've got to be joking!

[bennyjammin79]

fropas wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

This is awesome. I thoroughly enjoy it when he starts to get upset and takes a nice, soothing sip of his slurpee. 

LOL the new face off Anti-dlc crowd LMFAO! so funny.

Truly the poster-child of the revolution. 

[AlanC9]

Nex_Legis wrote...
Mass Effect is a trilogy and will end after the third part, except for more DLCs of course. So I don't quite see how this is supposed to be an investment. In addition to this, I believe that EA would misinterpret our efforts and wouldn't actually increase the financial support for BioWare.

I imagine they'll do other games in the universe unless ME3 really bombs. Maybe we'll get to run a merchant ship next game?

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Nex_Legis wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

New perspective:

If we can show EA that Bioware's Mass Effect games are insanely profitable (by buying extra DLC) its stands to reason that they will more strongly and assuredly support and finance future Mass Effect entries. Consider a long term investment in sheer awesomeness.

Mass Effect is a trilogy and will end after the third part, except for more DLCs of course. So I don't quite see how this is supposed to be an investment. In addition to this, I believe that EA would misinterpret our efforts and wouldn't actually increase the financial support for BioWare.

I'd be very surpised if this is the last game in the Mass Effect universe.  Shepard's story is done, but there is a ton more to explore.

Devs and EA have made it clear Mass Effect doesn't end here.  In what direction they will move it in, no one really knows.

You will get the same thing as with DA2 "WHY CAN'T I BE SHEPARD" It's their character that most people are invested in.

Well unless it's set away from Earth it would be more like Fallout than MassEffect.

[Stealth3]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

[breadedpudding]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

If you rent, Bioware is still getting your money, as the rental company has to pay for the right to rent it.

No, the game is already paid for it's the same if you buy it used.

Whether I rent it or not they have already paid that money.

Well, wouldn't that mean that Bioware is still getting paid if you rent it? Sure, the company you rent it from now owns it, but THEY had to pay in order to get it - which means you're only getting that copy because someone else paid money to give you the chance to play that game. It just seems like that wouldn't do much to take money away from Bioware since they're still getting money when you rent - only from the company that purchases a copy.

[AlanC9]

Goth Skunk wrote...
Whether they agree with me or not is irrelevant. This debate was over hundreds of pages ago, and the decision was made even before the debate began. The only thing that's going on now is data collection. Those with a grievance, compared to how many bunker down and buy the DLC on Day 1, if they haven't already purchased the Collector's Edition.

Analysis will be conducted as to whether or not such a marketing decision is worthwhile in the future.

The weird thing is that I'm gonna look like I've got a grievance. I just don't see how the DLC's worth $10. Maybe I'd buy it at $5.

[_symphony]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

and fault isn't in companies treating its customers as potential pirates?