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[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Yeah...more government regulation is the answer...

You've got to be joking!

It's totally the answer unless you are a publisher. How far do you think they will get when they have to declare missing content AKA day1DLC on the box?

[AlanC9]

breadedpudding wrote...
Well, wouldn't that mean that Bioware is still getting paid if you rent it? Sure, the company you rent it from now owns it, but THEY had to pay in order to get it - which means you're only getting that copy because someone else paid money to give you the chance to play that game. It just seems like that wouldn't do much to take money away from Bioware since they're still getting money when you rent - only from the company that purchases a copy.

Depends on how many people play that one rental copy, doesn't it?

[Evilelf007]

No, it's not just as simple as they own it they rent it out. They have to buy copies with a license to rent from the studio. Thus yes, bioware still gets money from then due to the extreme premium rental companies have to pay.

[AlanC9]

BobSmith101 wrote...
It's totally the answer unless you are a publisher. How far do you think they will get when they have to declare missing content AKA day1DLC on the box?

Never going to happen in the US. Don't know what happens in countries without free speech.

[DarthSliver]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Just to say I didnt like the way DA2 was designed with all its reused maps. If it wasnt for that Id have kept it and missed out on Infamous 2 but still be out of luck for DLC it had. I heard its DLC is really good but I never gave it a chance due to my poor experience with the main game. No game should make you feel like you played it a bunch of times after the first and second playthrough, when I got to Act 3 I just wanted to end the story and not do sidequest because I didnt want to see Map A or Cave B again. I was ok when it came to areas like the city where it made sense but for areas that sounded like it would be a new map it was the same with maybe a rock slab blocking a couple of enterances.  

Now when it comes  ME3 I seriously think this might be my last BioWare game I fully support because of the DA2 thing and now this DLC. They shouldve had the DLC information stated from the beginning if it was always going to be the Prothean DLC. When Chris said that information was an old copy type thing I was hoping it was because they did decide it was best The Prothean Squadie was in the main game and the DLC would be something completely different like a Batarian Squadmember.  Even through ME3 should be the redeeming game for BioWare because of DA2 I dont think that will be happening because the direction they took this DLC. Its actually something they now cant fix because its damned if they do and damned if they dont situation. Its very sticky and not alot of people like it.  But I also think boycotting will hurt the consumer and not them because you know you wanna finish your Shepards story so dont let your pride consume you there. 

Yet in the thread where he stated it, there was moaning about that being the case. People moaning that time that they wanted it to be part of the CE. Can't please everyone and now we have those moaning that it is part of the CE.

I did state something poorly so Id like to say with everything that is going on, I wont be buying BioWare titles off face value. I did that with DA2 because DA:O was awesome so I didnt think it would turn out as bad. My big irk with DA2 is that its a BioWare title but yet doesnt feel like one, BioWare titles have always have this sense of I must replay this game in the near future deal as DA2 didnt have that vibe from it at all. This whole situation has got me thinking that I cant buy BioWare games off of face value but yet I also know these forums explode easily if one BioWare employee saids "Boo" so there is that already. 

But back to the DLC at hand, one of my reasons to support it for main game was because I kept hearing people say they wouldnt buy it because it doesnt make sense and the character from what I know sounds completely awesome. I didnt want people to not have the Prothean because they though the idea was completely riduclious. Than there are the people complaining about this and CE because they assumed the character wasnt going to be important and for those people Shame on you for assuming, those people have no right to complain because they gambled the state of what the DLC was going to be. 

[Commdor]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

I take grave offense at you calling those who disagree with your perspective "Biodrones", "sheep", "worthless", and even going so far as to say that they've "lubed up" for BioWare and EA. That's crossing a line. You're tarnishing the cause you claim to fight for.

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...


There are never that many CE's in the first place.

You won't see the effect until the game after ME3. A lot of people are taking this one because they have 5 years invested in the series. That's what I get told when I talk to people about it. After ME3 though BIoware have nothing.

Agreed mostly, except that I think the first impression of DAIII will be the real indicator.  Our first impression of DAII wasn't good, so many will take the first impression of DAIII to be the true crossroads (after all, after what we've seen, we know ME3 will be great overall).

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 26 février 2012 - 08:34 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Stealth3 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

Makes you an idiot. Boycotting something based on principles then showing you have none in first place.

[_symphony]

Stealth3 wrote...

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

[Evilelf007]

the consumer market can prevent removal of plot indices themselves buy not buying when it happens. That is not the case here and never has been.

Government intervention is not needed for something consumerism will work out on it's own.

[AlanC9]

DarthSliver wrote...
But back to the DLC at hand, one of my reasons to support it for main game was because I kept hearing people say they wouldnt buy it because it doesnt make sense and the character from what I know sounds completely awesome. I didnt want people to not have the Prothean because they though the idea was completely riduclious. 

I'm one of those people who thinks it's ridiculous. Thanks for thinking of me, I guess.

[BaronIveagh]

BobSmith101 wrote...
It's totally the answer unless you are a publisher. How far do you think they will get when they have to declare missing content AKA day1DLC on the box?

Actually, the most likely results would be that customers would be allowed to opt out of data collection and that compnaies would lose the right to unilaterally change EULAs, and possibly require that EULA's in thier entirety be printed on the box.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

_symphony wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

and fault isn't in companies treating its customers as potential pirates?

If they were to look at what the "fans" are saying right now with pirating the game in order to "boycott" it. Then yeah, they probably will think about treating a portion of it's customers as potential pirates.

[Dragoonlordz]

Evilelf007 wrote...

the consumer market can prevent removal of plot indices themselves buy not buying when it happens. That is not the case here and never has been.

Government intervention is not needed for something consumerism will work out on it's own.

Your right, governments will not interviene in this at all. It is not illegal and the market decides fate of such revenue streams not governments.

[LinksOcarina]

_symphony wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

Pretty much this. You are no worse than the evil corporations, since you a part of the problem if you pirate.

[BaronIveagh]

Evilelf007 wrote...
Government intervention is not needed for something consumerism will work out on it's own.

Yes, because buisness has always done such a great job of regulating itself.  So, tell me, how much script they give you to spend at the company store this week?

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I am just going to post this again, as several people have missed it but it regards the whole "CD Projeckt are giving us free DLC" argument people keep mindlessly blarting on about.

CDP is only releasing it free now because they were going to bung it all in the xbox 360 version, due to come out soon. It is free because they are trying to break on to a console full of gamers that for the most part have never even heard of the witcher - and they are trying to wow them as much as they can. Its the only reason the PC users are now getting free content(it wasnt free before was it?) - because there is more money in the console market if they can make it. Guess what - if they do make it then there is a chance that they too will concentrate on consoles and shaft the PC crowd like the rest of the companies out there have already done, so this free DLC may after all come at a bigger price than you expect. Surprised?

Now forget this rubbish and get back to arguing pointlessly about wether you agree with day 1 DLC or not, missing each others points entirely and drivelling on about something we have known about since last year but has only for some reason became a problem now.

[Clayless]

Stealth3 wrote...

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

You must be joking.

Saying "I don't think this game is worth anything from me so I'm not going to buy it" is fine. Saying "I don't think this game is worth anything from me so I'm not going to buy it, instead I'm going to steal it" is incredibly stupid. It makes you far worse than EA.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your right, governments will not interviene in this at all. It is not illegal and the market decides fate of such revenue streams not governments.

The point was the lobbists get government regulators to issue regulations.  You know, like they do in every other industry.  Government regulation is always an interesting tug of war between consumer lobbies and corporate lobbies.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 08:41 .

[ArkkAngel007]

DL, while I agree that his view is downright wrong and what the problem is with the whole consumer base in the entertainment industry, let's lay off the name calling.

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...



Here's my issue with my fellow opposers.  Public refusal to acknowledge facts present, dismissing any additional information provided, using personal assumptions and emotional bearings as facts, calling anyone that either tries to make a correction to your argument or that disagrees with you a biodrone or sheep...that isn't selling our argument against this thing.

All we have really to go on is a) the situation was handled poorly, as is very apparent and past behavior of EA in relations to BioWare.  

The only present itemsd, outside of what BioWare and Microsoft provided, we have are the audio files and the script.  The audio files only indicate VO work was done during development like Kasumi and only SurKesh banter was included.  The script indicates he isn't in the main game, yet Merizan "hinted" that he is.  As such, while the majority of the evidence points that he was never in the game and isn't, we can't be 100% sure that he is or not.  We just know that the content in the DLC wouldn't have been in the main game.

This isn't a personal attack on anyone.  I know most are hoping for the best case scenerio with this situation, and just are trying to be realistic on the potential consequences.  I'm just saying that a lot of arguments on here need to have a change in tact and content if they want to sell their argument.  

Edit: Removed the quote.  Wasn't really replying to it, it just only inspired me to respond to the thread.

Yeah but whats starting to get annoying is that having that throwing around  its is going to change  a option about how this was handled and how tthats  a reason for people to go..

"OTAY   here my munniesss ... yay."  is starting to get annoying. I know your not staying it but  it how the fact is being used some.     I take not business word at facevalue  - none.  He could be telling to the truth but like we talking about past history makes it hard to  full believe that he is.    its starting to sound like...

Either way... the insults from BOTH SIDES need to stop... seriously.

[bennyjammin79]

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[_symphony]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

_symphony write...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

and fault isn't in companies treating its customers as potential pirates?

If they were to look at what the "fans" are saying right now with pirating the game in order to "boycott" it. Then yeah, they probably will think about treating a portion of it's customers as potential pirates.

and? I have seen lots of fans here that are vocal against piracy.

[Evilelf007]

There are times when there is too much corporate power and the consumer can do little.. See cable/satellite tv due to limited options.

The gaming industry has far from limited consumer options, thus consumerism runs strong thus government regulation isn't needed at this point.

Not sure about you, but I form my own opinions.

[chuckles471]

Stealth3 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

Boycotting you have principles.

Pirating, you are scum.  Also not even a cool one with a eye patch.