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[fropas]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

I am just going to post this again, as several people have missed it but it regards the whole "CD Projeckt are giving us free DLC" argument people keep mindlessly blarting on about.

CDP is only releasing it free now because they were going to bung it all in the xbox 360 version, due to come out soon. It is free because they are trying to break on to a console full of gamers that for the most part have never even heard of the witcher - and they are trying to wow them as much as they can. Its the only reason the PC users are now getting free content(it wasnt free before was it?) - because there is more money in the console market if they can make it. Guess what - if they do make it then there is a chance that they too will concentrate on consoles and shaft the PC crowd like the rest of the companies out there have already done, so this free DLC may after all come at a bigger price than you expect. Surprised?

Now forget this rubbish and get back to arguing pointlessly about wether you agree with day 1 DLC or not, missing each others points entirely and drivelling on about something we have known about since last year but has only for some reason became a problem now.

I honestly feel bad for CDPRed because there is no longer an incentive to buy their game new for me. I'm not the richest person, so I do have to budget my video game expenses according to what I can afford. And I don't think Witcher 2 will still be 60$ in 6-10 month so there's no reason to even buy the game new.
 
I really like how they're trying to appeal to new gamers, but I don't think they made a smart business descision .  

[Dragoonlordz]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

If they were to look at what the "fans" are saying right now with pirating the game in order to "boycott" it. Then yeah, they probably will think about treating a portion of it's customers as potential pirates.

Agreed, it exists in first place only because of the actions of those people, the saying such things as has been said on here by idiots saying they wil steal a "copy", proves them (EA and others) right. Those are the kind of fans a company can do without in first place. They are the cuase of the problem and why we will never have a solution.

[ZX12r Ninja]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

 *FACEPALM*

GODZILLA FACEPALM!

[obie191970]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

I am just going to post this again, as several people have missed it but it regards the whole "CD Projeckt are giving us free DLC" argument people keep mindlessly blarting on about.

CDP is only releasing it free now because they were going to bung it all in the xbox 360 version, due to come out soon. It is free because they are trying to break on to a console full of gamers that for the most part have never even heard of the witcher - and they are trying to wow them as much as they can. Its the only reason the PC users are now getting free content(it wasnt free before was it?) - because there is more money in the console market if they can make it. Guess what - if they do make it then there is a chance that they too will concentrate on consoles and shaft the PC crowd like the rest of the companies out there have already done, so this free DLC may after all come at a bigger price than you expect. Surprised?

Now forget this rubbish and get back to arguing pointlessly about wether you agree with day 1 DLC or not, missing each others points entirely and drivelling on about something we have known about since last year but has only for some reason became a problem now.

In CDP's defense, they did do the same thing with the first Witcher and the Enhanced Edition.  There's still no comparison, CDP is a 1/5* of the size of Bioware and a somewhat new company trying to make it.

*Pulled number out of ass.

Modifié par obie191970, 26 février 2012 - 08:46 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

_symphony wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

_symphony write...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

and fault isn't in companies treating its customers as potential pirates?

If they were to look at what the "fans" are saying right now with pirating the game in order to "boycott" it. Then yeah, they probably will think about treating a portion of it's customers as potential pirates.

and? I have seen lots of fans here that are vocal against piracy.

And I've also seen a lot of fans that say they are going to steal the game in protest over something as stupid as this DLC. So there is a great divide here.

[vivanto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Makes you an idiot. Boycotting something based on principles then showing you have none in first place.

Why exactly? If the purpose of the boycott is to intentionally hurt the publisher, they've just done that by pirating if otherwise they would've bought it. Though, I have a feeling that all this "I BOYCOTT U" rage is just a pitiful way to rationalize pirating while most of them never had the intention of actually buying the game. With respect to the exceptions.

[Dragoonlordz]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

DL, while I agree that his view is downright wrong and what the problem is with the whole consumer base in the entertainment industry, let's lay off the name calling.

Maybe so. They are however the one group of people I have nothing but disdain for, so sometimes my patience is lacking when dealing with them.

[Stealth3]

_symphony wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

And ripping potential customers off is good practice   What are you smoking?  
It doesn't matter what your call it because it just is what it is.  Bioware makes no profit and thats what a boycot is intended to do.....So cut me your crap about morals and all that ****.....

Boycotting my own boycott? What kind of stupid idiotic statement is that?  lol....Bioware cares about getting money, lets call that X.  Which ever way you get to X doesn't matter as long as you get to it.  So pirating or boycotting is the same **** in their eyes.  Pirating is a little better as it might build fans and hell if the game is really good and worth it, the pirate might buy it after all. 

Plus they claim the prothy is not important....How about we play and decide that for ourselves and if it turns out to be true, we buy the game.  How about that Bioware, sounds fair dont you think?

[obie191970]

fropas wrote...
I honestly feel bad for CDPRed because there is no longer an incentive to buy their game new for me. I'm not the richest person, so I do have to budget my video game expenses according to what I can afford. And I don't think Witcher 2 will still be 60$ in 6-10 month so there's no reason to even buy the game new.
 
I really like how they're trying to appeal to new gamers, but I don't think they made a smart business descision .  

Do yourself a favor and get it at some point.  It's an awesome game. 

Back on topic - YAY DLC!

Modifié par obie191970, 26 février 2012 - 08:51 .

[bennyjammin79]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

 *FACEPALM*

GODZILLA FACEPALM!

Stop it. If I laugh any harder I will poo.

[BaronIveagh]

Since all the mindless biodrones hae been gleefully postng the Francis vid, here's the guy posting as himself against it.

Watch if you want

Ninja ninja'd me.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 26 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Bawseee]

[ArkkAngel007]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

I am just going to post this again, as several people have missed it but it regards the whole "CD Projeckt are giving us free DLC" argument people keep mindlessly blarting on about.

CDP is only releasing it free now because they were going to bung it all in the xbox 360 version, due to come out soon. It is free because they are trying to break on to a console full of gamers that for the most part have never even heard of the witcher - and they are trying to wow them as much as they can. Its the only reason the PC users are now getting free content(it wasnt free before was it?) - because there is more money in the console market if they can make it. Guess what - if they do make it then there is a chance that they too will concentrate on consoles and shaft the PC crowd like the rest of the companies out there have already done, so this free DLC may after all come at a bigger price than you expect. Surprised?

Now forget this rubbish and get back to arguing pointlessly about wether you agree with day 1 DLC or not, missing each others points entirely and drivelling on about something we have known about since last year but has only for some reason became a problem now.

The better point is the CDP has total control of every aspect of their IPs outside of publishing, which they still hold sway over as they negotiate contracts with potential publishers.

Valve is the extreme example of the CDP argument.  They have control of everything in their IPs, from conception to distribution.  

BioWare, on the other hand, is at the mercy of EA in anything relating to the public.  Everything they market from press events, conventions, etc is done at EA's discretion.  That's why many of us enjoyed the twitter feeds, because many of the devs were more free on what they could hint and say within reason.  All BioWare can really control is the development of the game and what they present to us within EA's goals for that situation.  We could have had a half-developed, crap multiplayer, but instead it was fairly well made and has the potential of longevity and growth.

Anyways, the whole CDP thing is a weak analogy.  The only accurate analogy would be Visceral Games and EA, but even then, Visceral Games was born out of an EA in-house development team, not bought up.

[AlanC9]

Stealth3 wrote...
Boycotting my own boycott? What kind of stupid idiotic statement is that?  lol....Bioware cares about getting money, lets call that X.  Which ever way you get to X doesn't matter as long as you get to it.  So pirating or boycotting is the same **** in their eyes.  Pirating is a little better as it might build fans and hell if the game is really good and worth it, the pirate might buy it after all.  

Plus they claim the prothy is not important....How about we play and decide that for ourselves and if it turns out to be true, we buy the game.  How about that Bioware, sounds fair dont you think?

Do you know how dumb you sound?

[Stealth3]

chuckles471 wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

All the people saying they will boycot will just end up pirating the game and dlc about 3 days before the official release date and play the game before any of the paying customers have the chance to.  Oh and they will laugh about it maybe.  So, no renting, no purchasing, no going to a friend's house to play, none of that ****. 

I take grave offence at this. I take my boycotting seriously.

Thouh I agree, the pirates will be laughing all the way with this one.  They don't even have to deal with Origin.

Then they will moan and complain like always about DRM on official forums as they have always done. Not realising they are the idiots that caused DRM to exist in the first place.

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

Boycotting you have principles.

Pirating, you are scum.  Also not even a cool one with a eye patch.

The biggest scum out there are corporations supporting those tactics, like EA.  There's nothing wrong with pirating.  Most pirates wouldn't even bother to buy the game in the first place.
So go screw yourself before you make statements like that.  Most pirates do it because they got tired of getting ripped off.

[Goth Skunk]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
Government intervention is not needed for something consumerism will work out on it's own.

Yes, because buisness has always done such a great job of regulating itself.  So, tell me, how much script they give you to spend at the company store this week?

The ESRB was borne of voluntary industry regulation.

[CommanderCoffee]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

 *FACEPALM*

GODZILLA FACEPALM!

Stop it. If I laugh any harder I will poo.

NO WE ALRADY HAD POO IN THE THREAD IT WAS AWFUL

[_symphony]

Stealth3 wrote...

_symphony wrote...
The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

And ripping potential customers off is good practice   What are you smoking? 
[...]

I stopped reading after that sentence, I never said that is good practice, read my post again.

And please, if you want to hold my attention then try to be more civil with your replies.

[fropas]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Since all the mindless biodrones hae been gleefully postng the Francis vid, here's the guy posting as himself against it.

Watch if you want

Ninja ninja'd me.

Already watched it. . .anyone with half a brain could tell he was trolling. . .He's a really smart guy.

[Evilelf007]

Sorry...pirates do more harm to society as a whole than good...a lot of crap both consumers and corporations are do to pirates. They can go to hell for all I care!

I think MOST people here can agree with that one!

[chuckles471]

Stealth3 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

Pirates don't have to deal with DRMs, are you stupid or something?   Also, they don't have to log into anything, they just play.  Also, whats the difference between boycotting and pirating?  Both ways = same result of Bioware not getting anything.   So whats the diff?  

The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

And ripping potential customers off is good practice   What are you smoking?  
It doesn't matter what your call it because it just is what it is.  Bioware makes no profit and thats what a boycot is intended to do.....So cut me your crap about morals and all that ****.....

Boycotting my own boycott? What kind of stupid idiotic statement is that?  lol....Bioware cares about getting money, lets call that X.  Which ever way you get to X doesn't matter as long as you get to it.  So pirating or boycotting is the same **** in their eyes.  Pirating is a little better as it might build fans and hell if the game is really good and worth it, the pirate might buy it after all. 

Plus they claim the prothy is not important....How about we play and decide that for ourselves and if it turns out to be true, we buy the game.  How about that Bioware, sounds fair dont you think?

It's not the same because you would be breaking the law.

If you do it and get caught, I hope you get put in a cell with big Bob.  He would help you with your tight-ass problem.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Since all the mindless biodrones hae been gleefully postng the Francis vid, here's the guy posting as himself against it.

Watch if you want

Ninja ninja'd me.

Ah yes the age old "if you do not agree with me your a Biodrone or hater". <_<

[BaronIveagh]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The ESRB was borne of voluntary industry regulation.

Yes, and it had nothign to do with the Khol/Libermann hearings where the US Congress told the videogame industry that had a year to produce a rating system or Congress would do it for them.

[ehoddes]

game companies already are "charging for every level" its just that almost no one is interested in buying the levels piecemeal, so they bundle them together, there's no part of the ME3 main edition that's 'free'. For all the people saying "this is essential content" these only make sense if not everyone who buys the game will buy the DLC. And what other definition of "essential content" is there? If it is actually the case that this content is so essential that 100%, or even 95% of customers who buy Mass Effect 3 will buy it, then Bioware actually probably lost money by not just including it standard and charging $70.

[Stealth3]

_symphony wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

_symphony wrote...
The difference is that it makes you an hypocrite and your statements null. You complain about EA's bad business practices by doing something that isn't either good practice? you're boycotting your own boycott.

And ripping potential customers off is good practice   What are you smoking? 
[...]

I stopped reading after that sentence, I never said that is good practice, read my post again.

And please, if you want to hold my attention then try to be more civil with your replies.

No dice....I'm out of this thread anyway.  Bioware didn't appologize for their shady behavior and borderline criminal marketing tactics.  So no point in wasting my energy here.  Their loss after all. 
A lot of people won't be buying this game because of their bull**** tactics.