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[Dragoonlordz]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

-sniping all the hyperbole element-

We helped make this game big. We, the fans, have ensured that there are over a million pre-orders in this latest installment in this series, and we are rewarded with a slap in the face.

"You're a longtime fan? Well, then shell out ten bucks more!" THAT's what they're saying, and I find it somewhat disturbing that so many people seem to be okay with this.

By 'we' the fans who made them a success, I hope your also including those of us who feel 'they' are entitled to make money from extra content and are also fans who actually like aforementioned content. They did not become a success on 'only those' who dislike DLC and the selling of additional content which you implied. 

[stargatefan1990]

ive been a fan since the day ME1 and since then purchased all the story DLC and was it worth it? hells yeah:P but was any of it necessary to complete and enjoy the game? nothis DL will be no different


i used to have money until bioware shot me in the wallet with good DLC

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 27 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[LumpOfCole]

There are two camps of people:

Those who think Bioware is selling them a burger and charging them extra for the buns, and those who think Bioware is selling them a burger with the option of adding fries.

Some people are completely convinced that Bioware took a full game, then ripped out content from that game to sell it back to them as DLC. Knowing what modern videogame development is like, I sincerely do not believe this is the case. A production team gets to do something while the testing/debugging team is working on ironing out the kinks of the core game and its engine. A lot of publishers don't give extra budgets for that sort of content to be produced, especially to be given away for free.

Now, instead of a free character/mission, we have a multiplayer mode no one really asked for but turned out to be robust and awesome (much to a lot of peoples' surprise, including me).

Even with the special alien race featured in From Ashes, it's too early to say whether or not its plot points are integral to the core experience. Even Lair of the Shadow Broker, the best DLC Bioware has ever put out, was purely optional to the core experience of Mass Effect 2. Obviously, Zaeed and Kasumi were pretty optional as well. Is it possible that From Ashes will break this trend? It is. I don't believe it's likely, but considering the character that it features, the fears aren't completely unreasonable.

I say just wait for it to come out and read impressions/reviews if you're really strung up about it.

[stargatefan1990]

LumpOfCole wrote...

There are two camps of people:

Those who think Bioware is selling them a burger and charging them extra for the buns, and those who think Bioware is selling them a burger with the option of adding fries.

Some people are completely convinced that Bioware took a full game, then ripped out content from that game to sell it back to them as DLC. Knowing what modern videogame development is like, I sincerely do not believe this is the case. A production team gets to do something while the testing/debugging team is working on ironing out the kinks of the core game and its engine. A lot of publishers don't give extra budgets for that sort of content to be produced, especially to be given away for free.

Now, instead of a free character/mission, we have a multiplayer mode no one really asked for but turned out to be robust and awesome (much to a lot of peoples' surprise, including me).

Even with the special alien race featured in From Ashes, it's too early to say whether or not its plot points are integral to the core experience. Even Lair of the Shadow Broker, the best DLC Bioware has ever put out, was purely optional to the core experience of Mass Effect 2. Obviously, Zaeed and Kasumi were pretty optional as well. Is it possible that From Ashes will break this trend? It is. I don't believe it's likely, but considering the character that it features, the fears aren't completely unreasonable.

I say just wait for it to come out and read impressions/reviews if you're really strung up about it.

this post is far too polite and logical lol and it only took us 400 odd pages to get there! wooooooo jkjk

[nightcobra]

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Modifié par nightcobra8928, 27 février 2012 - 08:09 .

[NeecHMonkeY]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

So what you're saying is that you didn't watch the movie but yet you know the story.

And uuum...

LoTR Theatrical Edition, Etended Edition. Difference in all 3 movies is that they come with upto 50 mins of extra footage.

Avatar Director's cut, 15 mins extra footage.

Aliens Director's cut had 17 mins of extra footage.

Robocop Director's Cut had 13 mins of extra footage, mostly gore added in.

What was this about fundementals of story writing?

Can't say I've seen any of them but LotR and myquestion was actually not Wher was Tom Bombadil but Where was Glorfindel and why was Arwen subbed in for him? 

And, met me counter with Kingdom of Heaven (Directors Cut)

Or, better:

Blade Runner (The Final Cut)

Most people would say that these movies (and to a degree LotR were much superior with the extended content then they were without.

And yet nobody complained they had to pay extra to get it nor did anybody think they were cheated because the originals weren't upto par with the later releases. Nobody buying the theatrical editions of LoTR thought they were getting an incomplete story/movie and gladly paid standard price. The fans however loved the idea of 50 mins extra footage and paid much much more then the standard prive for the footage and swag.

Btw, was going mention Bladerunner myself but final cut was released 26 years after original and required extensive digital editing so it did require extra work.

The comparison is more akin to new game versus GoTY Edition that includes all of the DLC released 6-12 months later.

It's not like the different versions of each film was released at the same time and people either had to watch the standard version or pay and extra $10 on the spot to see the extended edition at the same theatre.

[Sleek]

Why cant companys like EA just hold on to the DLC for a month? Fine ,we know the cut or make content that is withheld from the game on release . Were not stupid , we know the company wants to make the money. If they were patient and held out for a month thr release would go so much smoother . Bioware doesnt want the fans pissed and people cancelling there pre orders 5 days before a HUGE release. It just shows that its pure Greed. And if they wanted to be a trust worthy company they should have released it in a patch for ALL to enjoy Not just the fans with the spare cash to litterally throw at EA.Look at CD.P the creators of the Withcer 1,2 in April they will release the game with basicly a mini expantion FOR FREE. Its great for the fans and its great marketing to help get there xbox version of the ground. Withcer2 free content is definetly longer than Mass Effect 3 from ashes. If a much smaller company can please all the fans why cant Biowar/EA certainly they can afford to give the first DLC free by saying thank you for trusting in our product here is alittle somthing extra with significance. Fans know they are going to push out alot of DLC for this game and its probably going to be good but you will pay alot of money for it. I dont think anyone can argue that the way EA is handling this situation ,and its not the 1st debacle with EA and DLC , just says greed acreoss the board . Not a good way to get there last great selling game of the ground.

[Reptilian Rob]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

-sniping all the hyperbole element-

We helped make this game big. We, the fans, have ensured that there are over a million pre-orders in this latest installment in this series, and we are rewarded with a slap in the face.

"You're a longtime fan? Well, then shell out ten bucks more!" THAT's what they're saying, and I find it somewhat disturbing that so many people seem to be okay with this.

By 'we' the fans who made them a success, I hope your also including those of us who feel 'they' are entitled to make money from extra content and are also fans who actually like aforementioned content. They did not become a success on 'only those' who dislike DLC and the selling of additional content which you implied. 

Entitlement! 

Jesus, you sound like TIM. "I created you! I brought you back from the dead, you OWE ME!"

Just play video games, is it really that difficult? 

[DJBare]

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

[Niemack Saarinen]

DJBare wrote...

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

Tis the weekend, im sure it will be choo chooin'  come tomorrow, all the way to release. Then suddenly.. SILENCE.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 27 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

DJBare wrote...

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

Tis the weekend, im sure it will be choo chooin'  come tomorrow, all the way to release. Then suddenly.. SILENCE.

I love the taste of hypocrisy, don't you?

[stargatefan1990]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

DJBare wrote...

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

Tis the weekend, im sure it will be choo chooin'  come tomorrow, all the way to release. Then suddenly.. SILENCE.

I love the taste of hypocrisy, don't you?

indeed lol

[_symphony]

credit of the success of a game goes to the developers alone.

[stargatefan1990]

_symphony wrote...

credit of the success of a game goes to the developers alone.

most of the time very true but som games such as Too human is much better thn you would assume from reviews not a perfect game at all but deserved success

[Niemack Saarinen]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

DJBare wrote...

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

Tis the weekend, im sure it will be choo chooin'  come tomorrow, all the way to release. Then suddenly.. SILENCE.

I love the taste of hypocrisy, don't you?

indeed lol

Indubitably Sirs.  


*adjusts monocle.*

[Rip504]

Also you all should check out the N7 CE *unboxing* video.
It clearly shows that the game comes with a squadmate not in the SE.

Now SE owners can buy it,So yes it was officially announced.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Rip504, 27 février 2012 - 07:11 .

[stargatefan1990]

yes RIP504 this one of my main reasons i support this launch day DLC i waited too long(late last year) too pre order so tbh im relieved i can still obtain the dlc and rightfully so at a price

[AlanC9]

Sleek wrote...

Why cant companys like EA just hold on to the DLC for a month? Fine ,we know the cut or make content that is withheld from the game on release . Were not stupid , we know the company wants to make the money. If they were patient and held out for a month thr release would go so much smoother .

Yeah, we talked about this upthread. You'd really like it better if Bio took content that they could release next week and held it back until sometime in April\\? You want Bio to stop you from playing that content for weeks?

And you say "we're not stupid"?

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[Rip504]

LoL

Modifié par Rip504, 27 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[ArkkAngel007]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sleek wrote...

Why cant companys like EA just hold on to the DLC for a month? Fine ,we know the cut or make content that is withheld from the game on release . Were not stupid , we know the company wants to make the money. If they were patient and held out for a month thr release would go so much smoother .

Yeah, we talked about this upthread. You'd really like it better if Bio took content that they could release next week and held it back until sometime in April? You want Bio to stop you from playing that content for weeks?

And you say "we're not stupid"?

Hey let's not degenerate again.

I wish it was held back just to avoid the confusion people will have on day 1, and I think that's what Sleek was driving at there.

I don't think his point was for it to be held back just for the sake of holding back and for us to feel better about ourselves.

Edit: Let's not open the "Exclusive to CE Edition" can of worms again.  We established that there was nothing specific that it was exclusive to that edition, just that it was included with the CE.  However, we cannot be sure of when this content was intended to be announced for the SE owners until we are informed of that date, which probably won't happen.  

Let's leave it at that, because we can't prove anything beyond that.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 27 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[The Empress]

I believe the achievements/trophies for "From Ashes" have been announced.

[AlanC9]

OK, I might have misread Sleek.

But then we're saying that Bio should hold content back because a lot of fans (people we don't know) are going to act silly about the DLC, and it would be easier on all of us if Bio just misled them rather than expect them to deal with reality.

This just strikes me as a terrible plan, and quite disrespectful. I'm not a big fan of the "noble lie."

[Orange Face_]

I'd like to thank everyone who took point in the short poll I posted this weekend to see if people thought Biowar mishandled the Prothean DLC or not. More than a few people wanted to see an "I don't care" vote, but I decided against it because I am of the opinion that someone who doesn't care places themselves in the camp of people who don't think Bioware/EA was wrong.

Amongst those who voted (roughly 100 people) there was a 60/40 split in favor of those who thought EA/Bioware did no wrong. When including the people who viewed but didn't vote ("I don't care" in my opinion, which I count as no) the percentage changes to roughly 13% who feel that EA/Bioware was wrong.

In general the same debate that took place on this forum has been replicated on many other sites throughout the internet (although not at the same rate as here) and I suspect that the ratio is roughly the same (can't back that up with data though).

Even though 13% of any poplation might seem like a small minority it really isn't. Remember even countries are in danger of revolution if dissent is at this percentage. Bioware/EA made their decision and I expect they will profit greatly from it (not saying that was their motive, and frankly I don't care what the motive was), but the long term implications could be disasterous for them especially if it continues in the future. All it takes for EA/Bioware to lose its position on the top or face serious competition is for talented individuals and skilled business men to figure they can do better on their own. Right now lots of people want to work for these guys and rightfully so, but did they ****** off the wrong guy this time? Maybe, maybe not only time will tell.

As I said before ME3 is the last video game I intend to play and I've gone vanilla since ME1 and don't plan on changing that now. I'm looking forward to reading about what happens in gaming in the future and wish all of you the best in your endeavours. Cheers!!

[Rip504]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


Edit: Let's not open the "Exclusive to CE Edition" can of worms again.  We established that there was nothing specific that it was exclusive to that edition, just that it was included with the CE.  However, we cannot be sure of when this content was intended to be announced for the SE owners until we are informed of that date, which probably won't happen.  

Let's leave it at that, because we can't prove anything beyond that.

www.youtube.com/watch
It's states there is a bonus mission and character. Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive.(In this case) CE not SE.


I might be missing something,but what does the date have to do with anything? It was always meant as a bonus for the CE. Now SE owners can ALSO buy it. The CE is obviously more then the SE. Why? For the bonus(exclusive to CE) content. Is deff one of the reasons.

[Bfler]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Now, instead of a free character/mission, we have a multiplayer mode no one really asked for but turned out to be robust and awesome (much to a lot of peoples' surprise, including me).

Where is the multiplayer awesome? It is only Last Stand and no other modes like Deathmatch, Victory Point Control or Capture the flag are included.

I could bet the other modes will be future DLC.

Modifié par Bfler, 27 février 2012 - 07:44 .