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[Dragoonlordz]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

-sniping all the hyperbole element-

We helped make this game big. We, the fans, have ensured that there are over a million pre-orders in this latest installment in this series, and we are rewarded with a slap in the face.

"You're a longtime fan? Well, then shell out ten bucks more!" THAT's what they're saying, and I find it somewhat disturbing that so many people seem to be okay with this.

By 'we' the fans who made them a success, I hope your also including those of us who feel 'they' are entitled to make money from extra content and are also fans who actually like aforementioned content. They did not become a success on 'only those' who dislike DLC and the selling of additional content which you implied. 

Entitlement! 

Jesus, you sound like TIM. "I created you! I brought you back from the dead, you OWE ME!"

Just play video games, is it really that difficult? 

Your aware when I say "they" I mean Bioware is entitled to do as they have done. That my point was there are fans of the content they created via DLC, who enjoy DLC content and think Bioware deserve to get paid for that extra content. That those "we" are also fans. I get the impression you jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 27 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[Rip504]

Rip504 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


Edit: Let's not open the "Exclusive to CE Edition" can of worms again.  We established that there was nothing specific that it was exclusive to that edition, just that it was included with the CE.  However, we cannot be sure of when this content was intended to be announced for the SE owners until we are informed of that date, which probably won't happen.  

Let's leave it at that, because we can't prove anything beyond that.

www.youtube.com/watch
It's states there is a bonus mission and character. Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive.(In this case) CE not SE.


I might be missing something,but what does the date have to do with anything? It was always(At least 8 months) meant as a bonus for the CE. Now SE owners can ALSO buy it. The CE is obviously more then the SE. Why? For the bonus(exclusive to CE) content. Is deff one of the reasons.

[_symphony]

Rip504 wrote...
 Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive

What a funny way of twisting the meaning of words.

[Rip504]

_symphony wrote...

Rip504 wrote...
 Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive

What a funny way of twisting the meaning of words.

What a lame way of not fully quoting the words,

In the case of the CE v SE. Or do you really disagree?

It's extra for the CE,not extra for the SE. Now From Ashes is available to the SE which gives the bonus CE squadmate to SE owners.

How does that not translate into Exclusive for CE? Now it's not obviously,but 8 months ago it was...
8 months ago the CE had a bonus(something the SE did not) Squadmate & mission. It comes with the CE not the SE,and that's not exclusive?

[DJBare]

Rip504 wrote...
It's states there is a bonus mission and character. Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive.(In this case) CE not SE.

Wait, what?, so the extra fries I get with my burger are exclusive?, I'll be sure to grab the extra fries of all the other customers.

[ArkkAngel007]

_symphony wrote...

Rip504 wrote...
 Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive

What a funny way of twisting the meaning of words.

That's all that argument was over, which was why I didn't want it being brought up again.  People were playing off "included" as being exclusive.  They keep ignoring where the ads actually state what was exclusive.

And the thing is, they're doing it for too reasons:

1) Because they want this to happen again, and again, and again,....

2) Because they feel that it matters or not whether it was intended as exclusive to the CE or not.  The intentional exclusion of exclusive left BioWare the opening to have it be available to SE owners without taking away from the value of the CE.  

That isn't what the majority of the argument about this DLC is.  At this point, it's just being used to rub it in the face of the SE owners.

Edit: Which judging by the group Rip is part of, that seems to be the case.  But I could just be making unfair assumptions...

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 27 février 2012 - 08:08 .

[Rip504]

DJBare wrote...

Rip504 wrote...
It's states there is a bonus mission and character. Bonus means extra,extra means exclusive.(In this case) CE not SE.

Wait, what?, so the extra fries I get with my burger are exclusive?, I'll be sure to grab the extra fries of all the other customers.

Are your fries not exclusive to your order?
Not everyone who orders a burger gets extra fries.

Let's play twister.

Edit:
The answer reflects the question,it is meant to be...
Polite-
Bonus or did you just miss that part?
Bonus with the CE,no bonus for the SE. The CE has a video showing bonus content. The SE has nothing. I mean really. It's "included" in one and not the other. LoL Yea,that's not exclusive. CE Bonus content is exclusive to the CE,it's not a hard concept.

Modifié par Rip504, 27 février 2012 - 08:09 .

[kingsims]

The content is not exclusive all it says is "Additional character and mission available" if this was said on the SE box this whole thread wouldn't exist and CE and SE owners would be happy with prothy.

LOL even origin does not have it listed so yea not many people knew about prothy.

[nightcobra]

 
the way i see it between consumers and developers/publishers is not unlike an unending tug of war.
both sides want to win the advantage on this tug of war, the best deal as it were.


sometimes one of the sides helps the other by lending some rope, if this happens on the developers/publishers side is when they want to reward the consumers by giving them a better deal for a lower/no price, if this happens on the consumers side is when the fanbase is loyal enough and willing to buy more of the products even if overpriced.



however when each side pulls the other too hard you risk disaster for both sides, if the publishers/developers side pulls too hard and the opposing side, the consumers, "lose" the developers/publishers passed the breaking point and made their customers lose faith in their business practices losing them in the process.

however if it were the consumers side to pull hard enough, the developers/publishers would lose on the account of losing money and ultimately filing for bankrupcy making them unable to create the products their fanbase loves so much.



that's at least my perspective on things and as for me personally think that right now the rope's lenght is longer on the developers/publishers side and as such i'll pull harder in order to try and stabilize it.
others may see it differently however.



ps: and don't start saying because i said tug of war means the consumers and developers/publishers means we have to always at each others throats in animosity, that couldn't be farther from what i'm trying to say, the thing is both sides can and should respect the other while at the same time striving to gain the advantage over the other, right now the developers/publishers are in my eyes pulling harder while the consumers are loosening the grip.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 27 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[blasto lives]

Rip504 wrote...

Bonus with the CE,no bonus for the SE. The CE has a video showing bonus content. The SE has nothing. I mean really. It's "included" in one and not the other. LoL Yea,that's not exclusive. CE Bonus content is exclusive to the CE,it's not a hard concept.

I'm guessing you don't remeber, but the announcement of From Ashes was essentially identical to the announcements for both the Stone Prisoner (DAO) and the Cerberus Network (ME2).  Each of them were featured on the collectors edition datasheet.  In each case, the pictures of the Collector's Edition prominently featured the word "exclusive" next to many of the items, but not next to Stone Prisoner/Cerberus Card/"Additional Downloadable Mission & Characters".

http://images.wikia...._collectors.jpg

http://images.wikia....on_Contents.jpg

[Rip504]

CE owners paid more for the CE. How is it rubbing it in your face?
We are all paying extra for extra content. Exclusive or not.
You want part of something I paid extra for,for free?

It was bonus/extra content for over 8 months. Bonus/Extra content that the CE owners paid for.
Now I also have the opportunity to use him on PS3,as well as 360. Thanks to From Ashes.

To include it for free,would mean replacement content would be needed for the CE. Costing numerous sales,money and effort to replace it. Time restraints,say it is easier and more profitable to keep it as a CE bonus (As intended) and make it available to all. A simple way to make money and give extra content to all. Smart buisness. CE owners feel good about their content. Now SE Prothean fans can also accses it. Win for both CE & SE while making profits. 1,000,000 ME3 pre-orders. While only making a small section of fans unhappy. The fans who want the content,but didn't want to have to pay for it.

Honestly what would you do? "Give your fries away for free,because some customers will get a value meal and other customers will just get a reg burger,no value meal?"

The Prothean is only interesting to those who find the Protheans interesting,as ME is only interesting to those who find ME interesting. LoL PPl who are not interested in the Protheans,do not need it,as they carry no weight in ME3,yes maybe ME universe,but ME3? Nah I disagree. It enhances the story for those of us who want it.

Don't get me wrong,I'm good with free content.

[blasto lives]

I don't really think that anyone regards it as free, but rather as part of a $60 dollar bundle. One of the main controversies is that many people think the "new game price" should include all the content that is finished by the release date.

[ArkkAngel007]

blasto lives wrote...

I don't really think that anyone regards it as free, but rather as part of a $60 dollar bundle. One of the main controversies is that many people think the "new game price" should include all the content that is finished by the release date.

This.  That's what most consumers who go to buy ME3 will be confused on, that now that they're paying for an additonal part of the game on the same day it's released.  If you weren't someone who constantly followed up on ME3 and just relied on general previews/reviews/word of mouth, would you be so accepting of the way it was handled?  Of course, neither you or I (directing this at Rip) as CE owners and followers of this game can say so, as we can't exactly say without being influenced by the knowledge we had for nearly a year.

It's not the content nor the availability that is the issue.  It's the way this whole thing has been handled that is the issue, at least to me and quite a few others.

[kingsims]

For people that say the multiplayer is the incentive DLC your wrong BF3 had pre-order DLC free on top of the multiplayer + singleplayer campaign + co-op campaign and EA allowed it then though the DLC was $15!! and it was post launch.

Bioware should have made a Limited edition and collectors edition and after launch phase out the limited edition for standard edition which has no DLC.

[Rip504]

The day the game is finished being developed and the release date,are 2 different days.
So instead of starting on new content(Between finish date & release date),they should just wait until post release?

Why? Because a few fans think so?

Edit:

Yes,it is a way to make money.
But it is also extra content,that was meant for the CE,and is now available for the SE. Finished after the main game,not during. Stated by Bioware,not me. Even if this is not the case,it was meant as a bonus for the CE. For over 8 months this content wasn't intended to be apart of the main game,but rather a bonus to enhance ME3 for certain fans.
It is a way to appease to most fans,while making money. And that makes perfect sense.

Modifié par Rip504, 27 février 2012 - 08:55 .

[CommanderCoffee]

kingsims wrote...

For people that say the multiplayer is the incentive DLC your wrong BF3 had pre-order DLC free on top of the multiplayer + singleplayer campaign + co-op campaign and EA allowed it then though the DLC was $15!! and it was post launch.
 

Different developer, different game. DICE had done moderately well with SP and very well with MP, so I'd expect to get both in a Battlefield game. Bioware has done SP and MP in the past, but recently their larger titles have been more SP only or MP only. Frankly, I never expected to get a MP Mass Effect Game.

Also, wrong use of your. It's bugging me, sorry.

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

blasto lives wrote...

I don't really think that anyone regards it as free, but rather as part of a $60 dollar bundle. One of the main controversies is that many people think the "new game price" should include all the content that is finished by the release date.

This.  That's what most consumers who go to buy ME3 will be confused on, that now that they're paying for an additonal part of the game on the same day it's released.  If you weren't someone who constantly followed up on ME3 and just relied on general previews/reviews/word of mouth, would you be so accepting of the way it was handled?  Of course, neither you or I (directing this at Rip) as CE owners and followers of this game can say so, as we can't exactly say without being influenced by the knowledge we had for nearly a year.

It's not the content nor the availability that is the issue.  It's the way this whole thing has been handled that is the issue, at least to me and quite a few others.

Was it reasonable to expect a complete game ? Is it no longer reasonable to expect a complete game ? 

If the latter is the case, then it's down to legislation to inform the consumer of this. While this has been huge for the internet very few people off the net are aware of it.

It's even worse for people without online access, they can't even make use of passes. I finished KOA last night, no complaints massive game (by EA) but anyone without an online pass would be missing a HUGE ammount of content.

[nightcobra]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

blasto lives wrote...

I don't really think that anyone regards it as free, but rather as part of a $60 dollar bundle. One of the main controversies is that many people think the "new game price" should include all the content that is finished by the release date.

This.  That's what most consumers who go to buy ME3 will be confused on, that now that they're paying for an additonal part of the game on the same day it's released.  If you weren't someone who constantly followed up on ME3 and just relied on general previews/reviews/word of mouth, would you be so accepting of the way it was handled?  Of course, neither you or I (directing this at Rip) as CE owners and followers of this game can say so, as we can't exactly say without being influenced by the knowledge we had for nearly a year.

It's not the content nor the availability that is the issue.  It's the way this whole thing has been handled that is the issue, at least to me and quite a few others.

the DA2 limited edition including sebastian was the first of this business practice but even then at least it was better than how me3 handled it (still worse than the way they handled DAO and ME2 though), if only because every pre-order of the standard edition got upgraded to the limited edition (though it kinda defeats the purpose of calling it limited).

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 27 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[gigiduru]

http://www.destructo...lc-222045.phtml
Just read this and its so funny . Keep defending BW for not milking you )

[CommanderCoffee]

gigiduru wrote...

http://www.destructo...lc-222045.phtml
Just read this and its so funny . Keep defending BW for not milking you )

Because, of course, all of that is vital to the game. Because optional DLC is completely necessary. 

It takes $60-$80 to get Mass Effect 3. DLC beyond that is an optional choice that only moves to enhance the game. It doesn't, as people are so quick to assume, fully complete an already completed product.

[ArkkAngel007]

Rip504 wrote...

The day the game is finished being developed and the release date,are 2 different days.
So instead of starting on new content(Between finish date & release date),they should just wait until post release?

Why? Because a few fans think so?

A lot of fans.  The majority probably don't follow gaming sites all the time.  Most of the people that I know who play ME and enjoy it don't care for all the pre release hype, and I think it can be agreed that the consumer base majoritively is the same way.  They care for the result, not the process.  So that means the reception and the price.

Most, as we saw by many of the reactions in this thread, don't care what the process was in developing this DLC.  They just care that the result is them having to pay $10 more for content that was available the same day they pick up a $60+ game (depending on the region).  Content that was obviously designed for them to want very, very much to the point where they are convinced that it is important for them to have it.

So to them, it isn't main game development and post-certification send-off, or finished development and launch day.  It's just launch day.

Again, this isn't my view necessarily.  Mine was more on better communication regarding the situation.  And again, this doesn't really affect me, as I'm a CE owner.

But that's the haps on the other side of 8 mile.  And there is still quite a bit of heat coming unless BioWare can straighten out its PR and send a public message out to the media at large, instead of staying local on here and on Reddit.

[gigiduru]

Imo i think that games whould look like this :
SE : All of the story + all the characters + all of the items that are in the game at the launch date ;
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

[tez19]

BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE.

[CommanderCoffee]

gigiduru wrote...

Imo i think that games whould look like this :
SE : All of the story + all the characters + all of the items that are in the game at the launch date ;
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

Thanks for admitting it's an opinion. You're actually being logical, most people here [about 200+ pages ago, when it was really heated] are trying to say they just simply deserve it because it's done by release and therefore yadda yadda. Thank you.

[gigiduru]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

gigiduru wrote...

Imo i think that games whould look like this :
SE : All of the story + all the characters + all of the items that are in the game at the launch date ;
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

Thanks for admitting it's an opinion. You're actually being logical, most people here [about 200+ pages ago, when it was really heated] are trying to say they just simply deserve it because it's done by release and therefore yadda yadda. Thank you.

I am still buying the game , and will also buy the DLC but BW still dissapoints me . I want to finish this awesome game and will not boicott it and will pay the $ bc some ppl worked for it and they deserve recognition but for future BW/EA games i am thinking of not buying at all .